10/8 College Football

[Derwood]

Did anyone see Lou Holtz on ESPN right after the PSU game? I swear he didn't watch a second of the game. He was talking about how Paterno was running his traditional offense and so forth. The other analyst just looked at him and basically said "are you smoking crack old man?"

 

I hate analysts.

 

I'm really happy that Lee Corso (and his stupid buckeye head) were wrong...AGAIN.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I now respect JoePa about ten times as much as I did before this thread. Edited October 11, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[Andy]

I'm really happy that Lee Corso (and his stupid buckeye head) were wrong...AGAIN.

He's been right twice all year with those stupid headgear picks and one of them was USC which doesn't count since it was an obvious pick. If he picks USC this week and they win I'll give him some credit (and he will pick USC...he hates the Irish), but he's sounding less credible every week.

[adamb0719]

JoePa is no longer the problem. The gripe was that he wasn't giving young kids a chance. But now the top three wide receivers on the team are all freshmen. Paterno or not, I think the Nittany Lions tally a championship by the end of the 2007 season

JoePa is not a problem with that school, but he is still a pompus a$$. Come on, as a ND fan how can you respect that man? He degrades ND any chance he gets, when his players get arrested for drunk driving he says it is not that big of a deal, and they didn't do anything that was really wrong, he gets in fistfights with ND alum in limo's after bashing the school, the whole Dan O'Conner thing (I believe that was his name) and numerous other things that are just wrong for a coach to do IMO. He is a good coach there is no denying that, but as far as a person I have no respect for him.

 

Wow, that is about the opposite of everything I've ever heard said about Joe Paterno.

 

There are actually quite a few articles saying how he lets his players slide with a lot of infractions, and he blames the fact that everyone is out to get football players. In his mind a football player can break no laws. Some of the stuff is pretty old though. I do think he is a good coach and I like Penn State, I just disagree with his thoughts/attitude on certain subjects. If I can find any of the articles I will post them for you.

[TruffleShuffle]

JoePa is no longer the problem. The gripe was that he wasn't giving young kids a chance. But now the top three wide receivers on the team are all freshmen. Paterno or not, I think the Nittany Lions tally a championship by the end of the 2007 season

JoePa is not a problem with that school, but he is still a pompus a$$. Come on, as a ND fan how can you respect that man? He degrades ND any chance he gets, when his players get arrested for drunk driving he says it is not that big of a deal, and they didn't do anything that was really wrong, he gets in fistfights with ND alum in limo's after bashing the school, the whole Dan O'Conner thing (I believe that was his name) and numerous other things that are just wrong for a coach to do IMO. He is a good coach there is no denying that, but as far as a person I have no respect for him.

 

Wow, that is about the opposite of everything I've ever heard said about Joe Paterno.

 

There are actually quite a few articles saying how he lets his players slide with a lot of infractions, and he blames the fact that everyone is out to get football players. In his mind a football player can break no laws. Some of the stuff is pretty old though. I do think he is a good coach and I like Penn State, I just disagree with his thoughts/attitude on certain subjects. If I can find any of the articles I will post them for you.

 

Actually, he doesn't let them slide all that much. Connor was suspended 3 games for being 1 of 3 people part of making harassing phone calls... I'm not sure what you think Paterno did wrong in this situation, but being suspended a quarter of the season for that is a real punishment, not just a slap on the wrist.

 

As for drunk driving, he took a lot of heat for that comment and did apologize for it. I think that when he said what he said, it was in an attempt to protect Tony Johnson from the media - mostly because Tony's dad Larry is a defensive coach at PSU and a friend of Joe's. About 2-3 years back, he suspended starting safety Yaacov Yisrael for half a season when he was arrested for drunk driving a few days before a game... so I really don't think he blows off drunk driving as a minor offense. This isn't FSU or Tom Osbourne's Nebraska, where guys commit an assault and then go out and play on Saturday.

 

He will stick up for his players when he doesn't believe they were in the wrong. In 2000, starting QB Rashard Casey was arrested for attacking an off-duty police officer and putting him in the hospital. Casey denied the charges and Paterno believed him, and eventually he wasn't even indicted by a grand jury. So even though a lot of people said he only stuck with Casey because he didn't have another viable option at QB, that really wasn't the reason at all.

 

I can't comment on the Notre Dame stories... but I have definitely never heard of him attacking a Notre Dame alum in a limo. The only time I've ever heard him comment on Notre Dame was last year after they fired Willingham. He didn't like it because they were running a clean program, making guys get an education and go to class, and recruiting players with good characters. That's not the same as just going out of his way to trash the Fighting Irish.

[adamb0719]

JoePa is no longer the problem. The gripe was that he wasn't giving young kids a chance. But now the top three wide receivers on the team are all freshmen. Paterno or not, I think the Nittany Lions tally a championship by the end of the 2007 season

JoePa is not a problem with that school, but he is still a pompus a$$. Come on, as a ND fan how can you respect that man? He degrades ND any chance he gets, when his players get arrested for drunk driving he says it is not that big of a deal, and they didn't do anything that was really wrong, he gets in fistfights with ND alum in limo's after bashing the school, the whole Dan O'Conner thing (I believe that was his name) and numerous other things that are just wrong for a coach to do IMO. He is a good coach there is no denying that, but as far as a person I have no respect for him.

 

Wow, that is about the opposite of everything I've ever heard said about Joe Paterno.

 

There are actually quite a few articles saying how he lets his players slide with a lot of infractions, and he blames the fact that everyone is out to get football players. In his mind a football player can break no laws. Some of the stuff is pretty old though. I do think he is a good coach and I like Penn State, I just disagree with his thoughts/attitude on certain subjects. If I can find any of the articles I will post them for you.

 

Actually, he doesn't let them slide all that much. Connor was suspended 3 games for being 1 of 3 people part of making harassing phone calls... I'm not sure what you think Paterno did wrong in this situation, but being suspended a quarter of the season for that is a real punishment, not just a slap on the wrist.

 

As for drunk driving, he took a lot of heat for that comment and did apologize for it. I think that when he said what he said, it was in an attempt to protect Tony Johnson from the media - mostly because Tony's dad Larry is a defensive coach at PSU and a friend of Joe's. About 2-3 years back, he suspended starting safety Yaacov Yisrael for half a season when he was arrested for drunk driving a few days before a game... so I really don't think he blows off drunk driving as a minor offense. This isn't FSU or Tom Osbourne's Nebraska, where guys commit an assault and then go out and play on Saturday.

 

He will stick up for his players when he doesn't believe they were in the wrong. In 2000, starting QB Rashard Casey was arrested for attacking an off-duty police officer and putting him in the hospital. Casey denied the charges and Paterno believed him, and eventually he wasn't even indicted by a grand jury. So even though a lot of people said he only stuck with Casey because he didn't have another viable option at QB, that really wasn't the reason at all.

 

I can't comment on the Notre Dame stories... but I have definitely never heard of him attacking a Notre Dame alum in a limo. The only time I've ever heard him comment on Notre Dame was last year after they fired Willingham. He didn't like it because they were running a clean program, making guys get an education and go to class, and recruiting players with good characters. That's not the same as just going out of his way to trash the Fighting Irish.

 

 

The DBs suffered a huge blow when Yaacov Yisrael blew out his knee last week. The redshirt junior's offseason DUI arrest put his standing with Paterno into question, but the veteran coach seemed to be rethinking a suspension when the injury occurred. In fact, Paterno publicly lamented Yisrael's situation, and said he'd been thinking of playing the former high school All-American against Central Florida after an impressive offseason behavior rehabilitation. Paterno can only hope the ACL rehab goes as well.

 

Yisrael's offseason DUI put him in danger of a suspension, but now he's out for the season (and Paterno had been leaning toward playing him in the opener anyway).

These are from PSU media guides. I remember this happening. Paterno said he was rethinking the suspension and then he gets hurt, so the suspension stood.

I really can't think of names of hand, and this may be incorrect, but some players who were recently suspended were only suspended for the summer, but could come back when the season started? I believe it was sexual assualt for one and getting in a fight for the others, could be way wrong though.

Also there is no denying that PSU players have been getting arrested left and right these last few years. Not all Paterno's fault, but it does say something about the kids he is recruiting nowadays.

 

As far as his comments about drunk driving I don't think that saying he didn't hurt anybody, its not a big deal, and he supposes he may have to suspend him for a game so the team doesn't think it is OK to have a few drinks during the week is really protecting him from the media. However he did get a lot of heat from his comments and did apologize, so maybe he did realize it was wrong to say that drunk driving is not a big deal.

 

 

As far as Conners goes, I thought it was only a game suspension, so I was wrong on that one. Sorry

 

Now with regards to ND, Paterno has been quoted as saying ND has gone from a school of a banking institution, and in the 70's he was badmouthing ND in a lime when an alum was in the car, who spoke up and Paterno attacked him. I don't know all the details, and I was not alive at the time, however I hear it all the time from my family (some from South Bend, some from Pennsylvania-it always comes up at some point) Also I did not like when Paterno said the ND should not have fired Ty, just like I did not like it when everyone else said it. The man needed to go. He has also said many times that he has no respect for ND or any of their tradition.

 

I don't think Paterno is dirty, or that he runs a dirty program. I would never compare him to Tressel or Bowden. However I do think that he is not this class act that everyone makes him out to be. I believe he is a great coach, and PSU is a great school. I just don't agree with a lot of what he says and does.