Nomar money

[Bull]

I'm a big fan of bringing Nomar back, if the price is right.

 

So let's speculate on what its going to take and who the major players will be (assuming there isn't already a thread on this?)

 

Someone suggested 2.5 plus incentives in another thread.

 

I expect about 4+ up to 8 more in incentives. Seattle? Philly, NYY? White Sox?

[Mizzou]

If Nomar really wants to stay in Chicago, then he'll take a 2 million dollar base salary, with another million coming for every 100 plate appearances. Considering the money that we're paying him this year for the actual time he's spent on the field, that's more than fair.

 

Ideally, for me, Nomar is brought back as the starter, Neifi isn't offered a contract, and Cedeno will be the main backup infielder.

[CuseCubFan69]

What did he earn including incentives this year?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I expect it will take a base of 5-7 million with incentives that could push the deal to 6-9 million.

 

I think the Cubs are the leaders for his services if they choose to go that route. I also think the White Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Dodgers could get into the sweepstakes.

[Mizzou]

What did he earn including incentives this year?

 

I think it's 8.25 million.

[Mark_R]

I expect it will take a base of 5-7 million with incentives that could push the deal to 6-9 million.

 

I think the Cubs are the leaders for his services if they choose to go that route. I also think the White Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Dodgers could get into the sweepstakes.

 

Why the Rangers? I anticipate them potentially dealing Soriano and moving Young back to second, but that team (hopefully) realizes their priorities are to acquire pitching and not waste funds on Nomar. Especially if you think he's gonna get a 5-7 million dollar base. They'd be incredibly foolish to do so.

 

Dodgers seem like the most realistic with Izturis being very ineffective for most of the last 2/3 of the season. They need some thump. Very likely to take a risk on a guy like Nomar.

[Geech]

I think probably 6 with incentives going up to 10 or 11.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I expect it will take a base of 5-7 million with incentives that could push the deal to 6-9 million.

 

I think the Cubs are the leaders for his services if they choose to go that route. I also think the White Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Dodgers could get into the sweepstakes.

 

Why the Rangers? I anticipate them potentially dealing Soriano and moving Young back to second, but that team (hopefully) realizes their priorities are to acquire pitching and not waste funds on Nomar. Especially if you think he's gonna get a 5-7 million dollar base. They'd be incredibly foolish to do so.

 

Dodgers seem like the most realistic with Izturis being very ineffective for most of the last 2/3 of the season. They need some thump. Very likely to take a risk on a guy like Nomar.

 

I just wouldn't put it past Hart to make a move on a player like Nomar. Nomar would put up some fantastic numbers in that ballpark. The Rangers would also be able to get him some rest, yet keep him in the line-up as a DH. While we all think the Rangers will go after pitching, their front office has come out and openly discussed the difficulty of luring quality FA pitching and has said the pitching most likely will come through trade or the minor league system. Because of that, they focus FA dollars on hitters who are more than happy to play in Arlington. I could see Nomar fitting their team very well.

[Derwood]

I definitely want him back. Maddening side-arm throwing style notwithstanding, he has been pretty great with the bat since rejoining the lineup full time. I think his confidence is back and he can be very valuable next year.

[ltb]

What did he earn including incentives this year?

 

I think it's 8.25 million.

 

correct.

hendry upped the base salary $250k in spring training based on a verbal agreement he and nomar made (probably something to do with how much the club had left over at the end of the spring), so his base salary was $8.25m.

 

$2.775M incentives:

$0.5M each for 535 & 550 PAs

$0.15M for 130 starts

$0.4M each for 135, 140, 145 & 150 starts

$25,000 for All Star selection

 

he didn't get any of those.

[nilodnayr]

I think the sox will stick with Uribe. Although hes struggled most of the year (not like everyone else hasnt sucked offensively), hes been absolutely on fire recently, combine that with his monster 2004 year and hes not a bad option for 2.5ish million. Even for this year hes had average offensive production for AL Shortstops. And in 2004 the only better AL shortstops than him were Miggy, Guillen, and Young. I wouldnt get rid of him just yet.

[Larry Horse]

I expect it will take a base of 5-7 million with incentives that could push the deal to 6-9 million.

 

I think the Cubs are the leaders for his services if they choose to go that route. I also think the White Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Dodgers could get into the sweepstakes.

 

Way too much money. I would offer him 2.5 to 4 mil with incentives.

 

He has a lot to prove, and this brief stint from the DL doesn't do it for me.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

3-4M + incentives

 

 

I'd also ask him if he was willing to move to the OF...and to stretch like a gymnast every day from here on out.

 

Tell him Mia won't complain. :wink:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I expect it will take a base of 5-7 million with incentives that could push the deal to 6-9 million.

 

I think the Cubs are the leaders for his services if they choose to go that route. I also think the White Sox, Mariners, Rangers, and Dodgers could get into the sweepstakes.

 

Way too much money. I would offer him 2.5 to 4 mil with incentives.

 

He has a lot to prove, and this brief stint from the DL doesn't do it for me.

 

I will go on record as saying there's no way he signs that cheap. The only question about him is health. He's shown since he's come back from the DL that he can perform. Somebody, whether its the Cubs or not, will guarantee him five million. That I am sure of, and I'd probably put the figure closer to seven million. I think the Cubs have a better chance of getting him at five than any other team would. It's not a question of whether he still has the skills; it's a question of whether he can stay healthy. The history of FA signings indicate there's no way that Nomar signs for less than five. Look at the contracts that have been handed out to players over the years. No way Nomar signs for less than five.

[wekse]

vance, so you're saying there is no way he signs for less than five?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

vance, so you're saying there is no way he signs for less than five?

 

At least somebody understands. :)

[erik316wttn]

If Nomar really wants to stay in Chicago, then he'll take a 2 million dollar base salary, with another million coming for every 100 plate appearances. Considering the money that we're paying him this year for the actual time he's spent on the field, that's more than fair.

 

Ideally, for me, Nomar is brought back as the starter, Neifi isn't offered a contract, and Cedeno will be the main backup infielder.

 

That's the perfect plan. I think insteead of an all-or-nothing "x amount of money if he reaches x amount of PAs by the end of the season", the million per 100 would be better, IMO. I think he'd be much more open to that.

[leatherguts]

I think the Cubs try to bring him back, but I just wouldn't be shocked if the ChiSox take a chance with him at 3rd. I don't know if the Dodgers will be bidders (I know they wanted him last offseason) but it seems like they have a LOT of housecleaning to do and I can see them spending all offseason trying to get rid of Kent and/or Bradley.

 

Edit: If they shop Kent, I'd bet anything the Cardinals will be first in line for his services.

[samuelperaltasosa]

I'd let him go and get Giles in LF

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I don't want Nomar back. What's so special about his 267 BA, 309 OBP, and 739 OPS?? Not to mention his atrocious defense, his age, and his fragility. I'll take a pass. Give me a Furcal/Cedeno middle infield next year, thanks.

[erik316wttn]

I don't want Nomar back. What's so special about his 267 BA, 309 OBP, and 739 OPS?? Not to mention his atrocious defense, his age, and his fragility. I'll take a pass. Give me a Furcal/Cedeno middle infield next year, thanks.

 

If you're going to get rid of Nomar, make it Cedeno/Walker.

 

Walker can lead off, and we wont overpay for a leadoff hitter like we would with Furcal.

[Mizzou]

If Nomar really wants to stay in Chicago, then he'll take a 2 million dollar base salary, with another million coming for every 100 plate appearances. Considering the money that we're paying him this year for the actual time he's spent on the field, that's more than fair.

 

Ideally, for me, Nomar is brought back as the starter, Neifi isn't offered a contract, and Cedeno will be the main backup infielder.

 

That's the perfect plan. I think insteead of an all-or-nothing "x amount of money if he reaches x amount of PAs by the end of the season", the million per 100 would be better, IMO. I think he'd be much more open to that.

 

Absolutely. It's a win win for both sides. If he stays healthy all year, then he'll wind up making more this way than he would if he just signs a 4-7 million dollar deal with no incentives. Hell, throw in another million for an All Star appearance, another million if he hits .300, etc. I'm sure that if Hendry came to Nomar and his agent and laid out a plan for a 2 million base with plenty of incentive opportunities, they could agree on an incentive plan.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I don't want Nomar back. What's so special about his 267 BA, 309 OBP, and 739 OPS?? Not to mention his atrocious defense, his age, and his fragility. I'll take a pass. Give me a Furcal/Cedeno middle infield next year, thanks.

 

If you're going to get rid of Nomar, make it Cedeno/Walker.

 

Walker can lead off, and we wont overpay for a leadoff hitter like we would with Furcal.

 

Walker is another bad defense guy with no speed. No thanks. We can easily afford Furcal, and he adds a very needed dimension to this team, just as Juan Pierre or Kenny Lofton will in CF. And it's not like we can't afford Furcal with over $40MM to spend.

 

Considering Cabrera got 8x4 and Renteria got 10x4, I think 9x4 should be just about right for Furcal, and I'd pay it. Shoot, we paid Nomar + Walker $10.75MM in 2005. Considering Cedeno will make the minimum, anything at 10/year or below for Furcal and you're actually saving money.

 

Also note--Patterson got $3MM for 2005. That money pays for Kenny Lofton in all likelihood. A modest $3MM more gets Juan Pierre. So just for the sake of argument:

 

For a net $3MM payroll increase, you go from Patterson, Nomar and Walker to Pierre, Furcal and Cedeno. Or for no net change in payroll, substitute Lofton for Pierre. Are you kidding me? I do that so fast it makes your head spin. OBP, defense, speed please. And yes, I know Pierre's defense is sub-par, but his leadoff abilities compensate.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't want Nomar back. What's so special about his 267 BA, 309 OBP, and 739 OPS?? Not to mention his atrocious defense, his age, and his fragility. I'll take a pass. Give me a Furcal/Cedeno middle infield next year, thanks.

 

If you're going to get rid of Nomar, make it Cedeno/Walker.

 

Walker can lead off, and we wont overpay for a leadoff hitter like we would with Furcal.

 

Walker is another bad defense guy with no speed. No thanks. We can easily afford Furcal, and he adds a very needed dimension to this team, just as Juan Pierre or Kenny Lofton will in CF. And it's not like we can't afford Furcal with over $40MM to spend.

 

Considering Cabrera got 8x4 and Renteria got 10x4, I think 9x4 should be just about right for Furcal, and I'd pay it. Shoot, we paid Nomar + Walker $10.75MM in 2005. Considering Cedeno will make the minimum, anything at 10/year or below for Furcal and you're actually saving money.

 

Also note--Patterson got $3MM for 2005. That money pays for Kenny Lofton in all likelihood. A modest $3MM more gets Juan Pierre. So just for the sake of argument:

 

For a net $3MM payroll increase, you go from Patterson, Nomar and Walker to Pierre, Furcal and Cedeno. Or for no net change in payroll, substitute Lofton for Pierre. Are you kidding me? I do that so fast it makes your head spin. OBP, defense, speed please. And yes, I know Pierre's defense is sub-par, but his leadoff abilities compensate.

 

Pierre on top of his game is overrated, and not better than Walker. And he's been embarrassing this year. Lofton's BABIP is outrageous, check the Wilkerson v. Dunn thread for Diffusion's analysis on why Lofton is in for a big decline.

 

EDIT: You've been clamoring for the Cubs to cut Patterson because of his performance this year, even though he has been fairly good for a CF in the past. Why does the opposite hold true for Pierre?

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Because Corey hasn't mastered the slap bunt yet.