Patterson on the block?

[AR-Baseball-Fan]

I was watching the Cubs-Cardinal game on Fox Sports net the other day and the Cardinal announcers made a reference to some article in which Patterson was supposed to have said that the Cubs had NOT tried to get him to change his hitting approach before he was sent down to the minors. The announcers further said that Dusty had seen the article and was furious. Has anyone seen this article? Also, what is the chance of Cory finishing the season batting above .220? I haven't seen consistent improvement.

[YearofDaCubs]

Getting anything for CPatt is a +. Keeping him on the roster for 06' will only hurt the Cubs. He's pathetic! Why the majority of people here, don't understand that yet, is beyond me!

 

Good riddance, Corey!

 

His approach @ the plate has changed in 2 years! Why would it change in 06'?

I have to agree with you. There is a point where you stop talking about potential and start talking about BUST. In my eyes we are at that point. Not only has Corey been worthless to us this year he has also been a hindrance.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I think it is pretty clear that Patterson's days as a Cub are done. The Cubs now have to use him to get maximum value and deal with the issue of CF in 2006. What frightens me is that the Cubs will rush Pie up to take his place much in the same way they rushed Corey to the majors.

 

Personally, I'd like to try to engineer a trade with the Braves using Patterson and prospects to net Andruw Jones. Jones is only signed through 2006, so that would easily open the door for Pie while giving him a whole season to develop in AAA.

 

I would not be surprised to see the Cubs make a trade for Pierre from the Marlins and then throw Corey away to another team in need of a CF.

 

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Patterson to the Yankees is interesting. They could afford to have his weak bat in the line-up considering the other boppers they have. Also, as a LH hitter, he might have a little more success in Yankee Stadium, assuming he can make contact. Once again, I wonder what we could pry from the Yankees that would be immediately useful for us.

 

I will be utterly and completely shocked if Corey is still on the roster when the team heads north in 2006.

[CarolinaCubFan]

Getting anything for CPatt is a +. Keeping him on the roster for 06' will only hurt the Cubs. He's pathetic! Why the majority of people here, don't understand that yet, is beyond me!

 

Good riddance, Corey!

 

His approach @ the plate has changed in 2 years! Why would it change in 06'?

I have to agree with you. There is a point where you stop talking about potential and start talking about BUST. In my eyes we are at that point. Not only has Corey been worthless to us this year he has also been a hindrance.

 

Here is a fun idea, let's trade him to the Cardinals and see if he really is a bust or if it's our organization.

[CarolinaCubFan]

I think it is pretty clear that Patterson's days as a Cub are done. The Cubs now have to use him to get maximum value and deal with the issue of CF in 2006. What frightens me is that the Cubs will rush Pie up to take his place much in the same way they rushed Corey to the majors.

 

Personally, I'd like to try to engineer a trade with the Braves using Patterson and prospects to net Andruw Jones. Jones is only signed through 2006, so that would easily open the door for Pie while giving him a whole season to develop in AAA.

 

I would not be surprised to see the Cubs make a trade for Pierre from the Marlins and then throw Corey away to another team in need of a CF.

 

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Patterson to the Yankees is interesting. They could afford to have his weak bat in the line-up considering the other boppers they have. Also, as a LH hitter, he might have a little more success in Yankee Stadium, assuming he can make contact. Once again, I wonder what we could pry from the Yankees that would be immediately useful for us.

 

I will be utterly and completely shocked if Corey is still on the roster when the team heads north in 2006.

 

Good post Vance. I like A. Jones, but he comes across to me as laid back person, it almost seems lazy to me. With his contract coming due, it bothers me that he is really figuring it out ......He's a consistantly much better player than Beltre, but comparisons cross my mind.

[CarolinaCubFan]

:oops: Edited September 7, 2005 by CarolinaCubFan

[CarolinaCubFan]

I think it is pretty clear that Patterson's days as a Cub are done. The Cubs now have to use him to get maximum value and deal with the issue of CF in 2006. What frightens me is that the Cubs will rush Pie up to take his place much in the same way they rushed Corey to the majors.

 

Personally, I'd like to try to engineer a trade with the Braves using Patterson and prospects to net Andruw Jones. Jones is only signed through 2006, so that would easily open the door for Pie while giving him a whole season to develop in AAA.

 

I would not be surprised to see the Cubs make a trade for Pierre from the Marlins and then throw Corey away to another team in need of a CF.

 

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Patterson to the Yankees is interesting. They could afford to have his weak bat in the line-up considering the other boppers they have. Also, as a LH hitter, he might have a little more success in Yankee Stadium, assuming he can make contact. Once again, I wonder what we could pry from the Yankees that would be immediately useful for us.

 

I will be utterly and completely shocked if Corey is still on the roster when the team heads north in 2006.

 

Good post Vance. I like A. Jones, but he comes across to me as a laid back person, it almost seems lazy to me. With his contract coming due, it bothers me that he is really figuring it out ......He's a consistantly much better player than Beltre, but comparisons cross my mind.

[CarolinaCubFan]

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[biittner77]

I think it is pretty clear that Patterson's days as a Cub are done. The Cubs now have to use him to get maximum value and deal with the issue of CF in 2006. What frightens me is that the Cubs will rush Pie up to take his place much in the same way they rushed Corey to the majors.

 

Personally, I'd like to try to engineer a trade with the Braves using Patterson and prospects to net Andruw Jones. Jones is only signed through 2006, so that would easily open the door for Pie while giving him a whole season to develop in AAA.

 

I would not be surprised to see the Cubs make a trade for Pierre from the Marlins and then throw Corey away to another team in need of a CF.

 

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Patterson to the Yankees is interesting. They could afford to have his weak bat in the line-up considering the other boppers they have. Also, as a LH hitter, he might have a little more success in Yankee Stadium, assuming he can make contact. Once again, I wonder what we could pry from the Yankees that would be immediately useful for us.

 

I will be utterly and completely shocked if Corey is still on the roster when the team heads north in 2006.

 

Patterson starting the season in CF shouldn't shock anyone. Patterson finishing the season as a Cub is a different story. At the very least he gets 1-2 months to prove that he can turn it around. The Cubs have invested a lot of money in Patterson and are historically slow to give up on their veteran players. Yes, Patterson is a veteran. If nothing else, Patterson buys Pie some time at AAA to see if he is fully recovered from his injury and is actually ready to play at the next level.

 

It's a risk/ reward situation. If they bring Patterson back and he stinks, all they've lost is money and some production from a primarily defensive position. If he was able to turn it around it would be a huge bonus.

 

This, of course is predicated on the Cubs getting at least 1 bona fide corner OF. They should get good production from the infield including the catcher. If Patterson in CF is dead weight offensively it won't hurt them too much so long as he's relegated to the bottom of the order.

[Nobody youd want to know]

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Actually, other than Lofton, who's a FA after this season, the Phils have Jason Michael, who I covet (see the $50 million thread), and Shane Victorino, who, as RotoWorld notes:

Victorino was a stud in the Triple-A International League -- as of Tuesday, he led the league in runs (93) and triples (16) and was tied for the lead in extra-base hits (59) -- and now will be able to get his feet wet in the big leagues.

 

I can see the Phils re-upping Lofton for another year and easing Victorino in, which makes Michael tradeable. Would they take Patterson and an arm or two? Probably would have to be a halfway decent one. Jerome Williams?

[CubfaninCA]

Getting anything for CPatt is a +. Keeping him on the roster for 06' will only hurt the Cubs. He's pathetic! Why the majority of people here, don't understand that yet, is beyond me!

 

Good riddance, Corey!

 

His approach @ the plate has changed in 2 years! Why would it change in 06'?

I have to agree with you. There is a point where you stop talking about potential and start talking about BUST. In my eyes we are at that point. Not only has Corey been worthless to us this year he has also been a hindrance.

 

Here is a fun idea, let's trade him to the Cardinals and see if he really is a bust or if it's our organization.

 

IF Corey became a Cardinal, his ops would be over .900. Just Cardinal luck.

[nilodnayr]

Id love to see Corey and Rusch (assuming he picks up the option) to LAA for Donnelly. Although is GB/FB is a bit scary in Wrigley, before this year HRs hadnt been a problem. He has a good ERA, very good WHIP, BA, OPS, K/9. Addition by subtraction plus we get a pretty good set up man. Id pick up a couple million too or thow in a mid level prospect.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Id love to see Corey and Rusch (assuming he picks up the option) to LAA for Donnelly. Although is GB/FB is a bit scary in Wrigley, before this year HRs hadnt been a problem. He has a good ERA, very good WHIP, BA, OPS, K/9. Addition by subtraction plus we get a pretty good set up man. Id pick up a couple million too or thow in a mid level prospect.

 

Let's go for bigger fish, and add a solid prospect like Brownlie or Ryu and get Scott Shields instead.

[Joe_Cub]

so can adam greenberg play CF? Everybody on sportstalk always blabs about pie but I'm wondering if greenberg can fill in until pie is really ready.

[AAApittsburgh]

so can adam greenberg play CF? Everybody on sportstalk always blabs about pie but I'm wondering if greenberg can fill in until pie is really ready.

I was thinking the same thing. He can serve as a one-year stopgap until Pie is ready.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

if we use greenberg as a stopgap in CF, we'd better have the other OF positions nailed down with solid obp guys.

[Joe_Cub]

if we use greenberg as a stopgap in CF, we'd better have the other OF positions nailed down with solid obp guys.

 

That's true but it's true no matter whether you stick greenberg or corey patterson in there.

 

Sorry if I asked a question about a diamond jaxx player. I guess I should just go sort through every box score from every year greenberg played in the minor leagues to figure it out instead of asking someone who follows them all of the time. :lol:

[nilodnayr]

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Actually, other than Lofton, who's a FA after this season, the Phils have Jason Michael, who I covet (see the $50 million thread), and Shane Victorino, who, as RotoWorld notes:

Victorino was a stud in the Triple-A International League -- as of Tuesday, he led the league in runs (93) and triples (16) and was tied for the lead in extra-base hits (59) -- and now will be able to get his feet wet in the big leagues.

 

I can see the Phils re-upping Lofton for another year and easing Victorino in, which makes Michael tradeable. Would they take Patterson and an arm or two? Probably would have to be a halfway decent one. Jerome Williams?

 

With Victorino why would the Phils want Corey?

[RynoRules]

I think it is pretty clear that Patterson's days as a Cub are done. The Cubs now have to use him to get maximum value and deal with the issue of CF in 2006. What frightens me is that the Cubs will rush Pie up to take his place much in the same way they rushed Corey to the majors.

 

Personally, I'd like to try to engineer a trade with the Braves using Patterson and prospects to net Andruw Jones. Jones is only signed through 2006, so that would easily open the door for Pie while giving him a whole season to develop in AAA.

 

I would not be surprised to see the Cubs make a trade for Pierre from the Marlins and then throw Corey away to another team in need of a CF.

 

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Patterson to the Yankees is interesting. They could afford to have his weak bat in the line-up considering the other boppers they have. Also, as a LH hitter, he might have a little more success in Yankee Stadium, assuming he can make contact. Once again, I wonder what we could pry from the Yankees that would be immediately useful for us.

 

I will be utterly and completely shocked if Corey is still on the roster when the team heads north in 2006.

 

Agree w/ everything you said except that I cannot imagine the Braves trading Jones in light of the year he is having. He's probably earned a new contract that will make him a Brave for life.

[nilodnayr]

I'd have to wonder if the Phillies might have some interest in Patterson. I'm not sure what kind of deal could be worked with them, but they'll need a CF.

 

Actually, other than Lofton, who's a FA after this season, the Phils have Jason Michael, who I covet (see the $50 million thread), and Shane Victorino, who, as RotoWorld notes:

Victorino was a stud in the Triple-A International League -- as of Tuesday, he led the league in runs (93) and triples (16) and was tied for the lead in extra-base hits (59) -- and now will be able to get his feet wet in the big leagues.

 

I can see the Phils re-upping Lofton for another year and easing Victorino in, which makes Michael tradeable. Would they take Patterson and an arm or two? Probably would have to be a halfway decent one. Jerome Williams?

 

With Victorino why would the Phils want Corey?

 

Anyone know why LA declined to pay the 25K to take him back this year after the Phils outrigthed him? He did struggle big time in AAA, but had a studly AA the first half of 2004.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

If the Cubs trade him, they better get some top-notch players for him and not some magic beans. With Corey, I get the feeling that if he gets away from Dusty and his stooges and onto a team with a real hitting coach who's willing to actually coach Corey, he'll become the player he's been hyped to be.

 

:roll: :roll: Geez, give it up already. "They better get some top-notch players for him..." hehehe, that's a good one. Everyone in baseball is lined up for Patterson's services, you know it.

[Outshined_One]

If the Cubs trade him, they better get some top-notch players for him and not some magic beans. With Corey, I get the feeling that if he gets away from Dusty and his stooges and onto a team with a real hitting coach who's willing to actually coach Corey, he'll become the player he's been hyped to be.

 

:roll: :roll: Geez, give it up already. "They better get some top-notch players for him..." hehehe, that's a good one. Everyone in baseball is lined up for Patterson's services, you know it.

 

Face it, if GMs in baseball all have anti-CPatt sentiments, what the heck is the point in trading him? If no one in baseball wants him, we'll only get a bag of magic beans for him straight up and his value in a package would be negligible, meaning we'd have to give up some top-notch guys along with Patterson.

 

Trading him is boneheaded and foolish unless you can actually get something of actual value to this team or even to the farm system. Considering plenty of you think that no one in baseball would want him for that kind of price, that won't be happening. As for his replacement? Well...

 

In the farm system, Pie isn't ready, Bacon & Greenberg are utility men at best, and Calvin Murray could potentially surpass Jose Macias in offensive futility. And if you want to acquire a guy like Damon, great! Sign him to a 6 year contract and keep paying him big dollars when he's past his prime and on the decline. I'm sure everyone will be loving that deal in the future.

 

I know lots of people have it out for Corey and have him as a scapegoat for why the Cubs faltered this season. I'm not one of them. I don't want to trade Patterson for the sake of trading him since it would open up a Catch 22 at CF. He's relatively cheap, above average defensively, and even at his current level could still be stuck in the 7 or 8 spot without causing much trouble. I could live with that until Pie is ready, be it some time in 2006 or 2007.

[nilodnayr]

If the Cubs trade him, they better get some top-notch players for him and not some magic beans. With Corey, I get the feeling that if he gets away from Dusty and his stooges and onto a team with a real hitting coach who's willing to actually coach Corey, he'll become the player he's been hyped to be.

 

:roll: :roll: Geez, give it up already. "They better get some top-notch players for him..." hehehe, that's a good one. Everyone in baseball is lined up for Patterson's services, you know it.

 

Face it, if GMs in baseball all have anti-CPatt sentiments, what the heck is the point in trading him? If no one in baseball wants him, we'll only get a bag of magic beans for him straight up and his value in a package would be negligible, meaning we'd have to give up some top-notch guys along with Patterson.

 

Trading him is boneheaded and foolish unless you can actually get something of actual value to this team or even to the farm system. Considering plenty of you think that no one in baseball would want him for that kind of price, that won't be happening. As for his replacement? Well...

 

In the farm system, Pie isn't ready, Bacon & Greenberg are utility men at best, and Calvin Murray could potentially surpass Jose Macias in offensive futility. And if you want to acquire a guy like Damon, great! Sign him to a 6 year contract and keep paying him big dollars when he's past his prime and on the decline. I'm sure everyone will be loving that deal in the future.

 

I know lots of people have it out for Corey and have him as a scapegoat for why the Cubs faltered this season. I'm not one of them. I don't want to trade Patterson for the sake of trading him since it would open up a Catch 22 at CF. He's relatively cheap, above average defensively, and even at his current level could still be stuck in the 7 or 8 spot without causing much trouble. I could live with that until Pie is ready, be it some time in 2006 or 2007.

 

Actually its a catch 15...15 of course being JH Jrs number. We should get what we cant for Corey and go with Hairston as the starting CF in 2006.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

so can adam greenberg play CF? Everybody on sportstalk always blabs about pie but I'm wondering if greenberg can fill in until pie is really ready.

 

Yes, he can, but his ceiling is an MLB utility player. His OBP has been pretty good in the minors and he has good plate discipline.

 

And apparently, I agree with Outshined on this topic. Trading/releasing a young player like Corey doesn't necessarily improve this team, especially considering the alternatives in CF.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

so can adam greenberg play CF? Everybody on sportstalk always blabs about pie but I'm wondering if greenberg can fill in until pie is really ready.

 

Yes, he can, but his ceiling is an MLB utility player. His OBP has been pretty good in the minors and he has good plate discipline.

 

And apparently, I agree with Outshined on this topic. Trading/releasing a young player like Corey doesn't necessarily improve this team, especially considering the alternatives in CF.

 

Man, talk about your tired Patterson excuses....he is NOT young. He's 26 yo, has played in parts of SIX big league seasons, and has over 2,000 big league ABs. Not only has he not realized his quasi-talent, not only has he not improved, but he has regressed to the point that he is one of the five worst hitters in all of baseball.

 

THE GUY HAS A **LIFETIME** OBP UNDER .300, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!! Do you have any reckoning of just how bad that is??

 

He's a 1st round bust. Face it. He's not the first the Cubs have had (not even close!), he won't be the last. He gets paid $3MM this year, how laughable is that?

 

Yes, you dump him, he has no value because he STINKS. You don't hold up the organization waiting for snow to fall in Mexico. Save the $3MM and release him. I would much rather take that $3MM and put it in the "Sign Johnny Damon and Brian Giles and Rafael Furcal and BJ Ryan" fund.