Just like Steve Garvey

[thedaymen]

I don't even know what he's talking about anymore:

 

Should the Cubs evaluate kids at the expense of trying to win?

 

"I'm trying to do both," Baker said. "It's a situation where you have to find something to play for. I learned that from Steve Garvey. On days he had a migraine and didn't feel like playing, he played for a sick child or an older person in the hospital or something."

 

What the hell does Garvey have to do with anything?

[AC036198]

More idiocy from Dusty. What else is new?

[JC]

Maybe Dusty is one of Garvey's 7 million illegitimate children.

[Jon]

I'm disappointed in Dusty. He had perfect situation set up for a fishing metaphor and didn't take it. Maybe he's just upset that he was never invited to Steve Garvey's Celebrity Billfish Tournament.

[LoneStarCubFan]

That may be the single dumbest thing Dusty's said since he's been here.

 

Does MLB drug test managers?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm disappointed in Dusty. He had perfect situation set up for a fishing metaphor and didn't take it. Maybe he's just upset that he was never invited to Steve Garvey's Celebrity Billfish Tournament.

 

Excellent Cheap Seats reference.

 

note: My memory is fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure it was Garvey who hosted that fishing tourney that Cheap Seats parodied.

 

In regards to Dusty, I have no idea what he's talking about.

[frostwyrm]

That was a weird one all right. Every other team just plays their kids when they're out of the race and it's a no-brainer as far as they're concerned. Then there's Dusty, who uses Steve Garvey migraine stories to make decisions.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm disappointed in Dusty. He had perfect situation set up for a fishing metaphor and didn't take it. Maybe he's just upset that he was never invited to Steve Garvey's Celebrity Billfish Tournament.

 

Excellent Cheap Seats reference.

 

note: My memory is fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure it was Garvey who hosted that fishing tourney that Cheap Seats parodied.

 

In regards to Dusty, I have no idea what he's talking about.

 

I've seen 1 episode of that show, and that was it. Garvey in the short shorts with the cheesiest collection of 80's characters possible.

[imb]

Quotes like these are Busty's only redeeming quality.

[treebird]

I'm disappointed in Dusty. He had perfect situation set up for a fishing metaphor and didn't take it. Maybe he's just upset that he was never invited to Steve Garvey's Celebrity Billfish Tournament.

 

how could they invite dusty when an up-and-coming comedian like michael floorwax was available?

[biittner77]

I don't even know what he's talking about anymore:

 

Should the Cubs evaluate kids at the expense of trying to win?

 

"I'm trying to do both," Baker said. "It's a situation where you have to find something to play for. I learned that from Steve Garvey. On days he had a migraine and didn't feel like playing, he played for a sick child or an older person in the hospital or something."

 

What the hell does Garvey have to do with anything?

 

I fed this quote into the Dusty-to-English translator and got the following result:

 

The Cubs are out of the race but they still have to motivate themselves to play. When Steve Garvey didn't feel like playing, he'd think about people that were less fortunate than himself and that got him through it.

 

So Dusty has to pretend that the games still count so that he won't be tempted to let the young guys that actually want to play start while benching the guys that failed to keep the Cubs in contention.

 

On a related note, I wonder if Baker would ever consider conducting an interview in a madlib. The reporter could write what he thought Baker might say but leave blanks for nouns, verbs and players names whcih Baker would write down on a separate sheet of paper.

[J.R.]

Stupid. Oh, so stupid.

[Jon]

I'm disappointed in Dusty. He had perfect situation set up for a fishing metaphor and didn't take it. Maybe he's just upset that he was never invited to Steve Garvey's Celebrity Billfish Tournament.

how could they invite dusty when an up-and-coming comedian like michael floorwax was available?

Ha. Well, I'm guessing they just couldn't get Dusty to say "You take it back and then you squeeze those cheeks."

[frostwyrm]

Dusty will never come out and say it, but the reason the kids don't play is that Dusty doesn't want a losing record on his stat sheet. It's all about his personal rep, but since he can't say that he makes up ridiculous crap about Steve Garvey's migraines or "respecting the game". We could use a long losing streak to put .500 out of reach. Then Murton might play.

[GaryWoods]

I'm disappointed in Dusty. He had perfect situation set up for a fishing metaphor and didn't take it. Maybe he's just upset that he was never invited to Steve Garvey's Celebrity Billfish Tournament.

 

how could they invite dusty when an up-and-coming comedian like michael floorwax was available?

 

"Up-and-Coming?" Dude, Lewis and Floorwax have been around for years.

 

Steve Garvey probably had migraines because his hair was a solid piece of plastic.

[CuseCubFan69]

Didn't Weezer sing that song "Just Like Steve Garvey"?

[littleburr24]

Didn't Weezer sing that song "Just Like Steve Garvey"?

 

Isn't it "Just Like Buddy Holly"?

[CuseCubFan69]

Didn't Weezer sing that song "Just Like Steve Garvey"?

 

Isn't it "Just Like Buddy Holly"?

 

And Mary Tyler Moore.

[CubsWin]

Is it even worth calling out everyone who needlessly attacked Dusty Baker in this thread? Would they even open their minds long enough to hear a differing opinion backed with solid logic?

 

This quote of his actually made perfect sense, wasn't stupid at all and quoted him as saying that he is playing the kids while still trying to win.

 

Someone in this thread actually used this quote to try to bolster their argument that Dusty never plays "kids".

 

Does Dusty overvalue major league experience? I think so, yes.

Does he say stuff that is convoluted and unclear? Yeah.

Does he deserve to be fired as manager of the Cubs? I think so.

 

Do the overly-negative, knee-jerk reactions to the Dusty quote in this thread serve as evidence supporting my position that some fans take their hatred of Dusty too far sometimes? Clearly.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is it even worth calling out everyone who needlessly attacked Dusty Baker in this thread? Would they even open their minds long enough to hear a differing opinion backed with solid logic?

 

This quote of his actually made perfect sense, wasn't stupid at all and quoted him as saying that he is playing the kids while still trying to win.

 

Someone in this thread actually used this quote to try to bolster their argument that Dusty never plays "kids".

 

Does Dusty overvalue major league experience? I think so, yes.

Does he say stuff that is convoluted and unclear? Yeah.

Does he deserve to be fired as manager of the Cubs? I think so.

 

Do the overly-negative, knee-jerk reactions to the Dusty quote in this thread serve as evidence supporting my position that some fans take their hatred of Dusty too far sometimes? Clearly.

 

More than half the posts in this thread are wondering what Dusty was saying, with some cheap seats references thrown in. I count exactly one poster relating this quote to Dusty playing young players, which he certainly has a right to do so. Maybe your knee-jerk reaction to a Dusty quote thread so it supports your "posters go too far with Dusty hate" theory is what should be questioned. All it comes down to is semantics. Dusty doesn't like to play young players. No, he overvalues major league experience. That person is a racist/sexist. No, they overvalue being white/male. It's just a matter of degrees, and many people take it further than you personally like, because they are tired of the same nonsense for the last 2 years.

[CubsWin]

Is it even worth calling out everyone who needlessly attacked Dusty Baker in this thread? Would they even open their minds long enough to hear a differing opinion backed with solid logic?

 

This quote of his actually made perfect sense, wasn't stupid at all and quoted him as saying that he is playing the kids while still trying to win.

 

Someone in this thread actually used this quote to try to bolster their argument that Dusty never plays "kids".

 

Does Dusty overvalue major league experience? I think so, yes.

Does he say stuff that is convoluted and unclear? Yeah.

Does he deserve to be fired as manager of the Cubs? I think so.

 

Do the overly-negative, knee-jerk reactions to the Dusty quote in this thread serve as evidence supporting my position that some fans take their hatred of Dusty too far sometimes? Clearly.

 

More than half the posts in this thread are wondering what Dusty was saying, with some cheap seats references thrown in. I count exactly one poster relating this quote to Dusty playing young players, which he certainly has a right to do so. Maybe your knee-jerk reaction to a Dusty quote thread so it supports your "posters go too far with Dusty hate" theory is what should be questioned. All it comes down to is semantics. Dusty doesn't like to play young players. No, he overvalues major league experience. That person is a racist/sexist. No, they overvalue being white/male. It's just a matter of degrees, and many people take it further than you personally like, because they are tired of the same nonsense for the last 2 years.

I didn't want to have to spell things out like this, but now I feel I must.

 

Clearly, CP20, I was not addressing the fans in this thread who were not trying to use this quote to whip Dusty Baker. Why bring up the posts that were about Cheap Seats? Why not address the other ones? Do you think they were justified in what they wrote about Baker given the quote in question? You accuse me of having a knee-jerk reaction to a Dusty quote thread. That would imply that you think my post is completely unjustified. Do you? If so, please make a case to support such an accusation.

 

Here is my case. My post was about how some fans are going too far in finding things to hate about Dusty Baker. There are plenty of reasons to dislike him as it is, but this perfectly clear quote, a rarity, it seems, for Dusty, shouldn't be one them. Here are the responses I am referring to.

I don't even know what he's talking about anymore:

 

Should the Cubs evaluate kids at the expense of trying to win?

 

"I'm trying to do both," Baker said. "It's a situation where you have to find something to play for. I learned that from Steve Garvey. On days he had a migraine and didn't feel like playing, he played for a sick child or an older person in the hospital or something."

 

What the hell does Garvey have to do with anything?

The only problem with this post is that Dusty's quote actually makes perfect sense.

More idiocy from Dusty. What else is new?

And then it starts. Now, this perfectly lucid quote is in no uncertain terms "idiocy".

That may be the single dumbest thing Dusty's said since he's been here.

That was a weird one all right. Every other team just plays their kids when they're out of the race and it's a no-brainer as far as they're concerned. Then there's Dusty, who uses Steve Garvey migraine stories to make decisions.

Quotes like these are Busty's only redeeming quality.

So Dusty has to pretend that the games still count so that he won't be tempted to let the young guys that actually want to play start while benching the guys that failed to keep the Cubs in contention.

Stupid. Oh, so stupid.

Now, I don't begrudge anyone their right to express their opinion on a board like this. I love it when they do. It usually makes for some interesting conversations.

 

All I'm saying is that this Dusty quote isn't unclear, dumb, stupid or otherwise. And yet, some fans seem so ready to hate that they will even use quotes with nothing wrong with them as reason to do so. There was a quote a week ago or so about Dusty wanting more walks. We should be rejoicing about that. Hey, maybe he is learning something. Or good, finally he is coming around. But instead...

 

Clearly, the reason why I accused the authors of the above quotes of having knee-jerk reactions is because the quote makes perfect sense and yet they reacted as if it didn't. That's seems like a pretty open and shut case to me, but maybe I'm not seeing something that you are. So please, make your case why this quote doesn't make any sense and that I'm the one who has the knee-jerk reactions, or kindly retract your accusation.

[CubsWin]

More than half the posts in this thread are wondering what Dusty was saying, with some cheap seats references thrown in.

If you count calling him an idiot as wondering what he was saying, then yes.

 

I count exactly one poster relating this quote to Dusty playing young players, which he certainly has a right to do so.

Oddly enough, I addressed only one person who did that, so in this, we agree. And I certainly never questioned his/her right to relate this quote to Dusty playing young players. So I don't know why you brought up the poster's right to do what he/she did.

 

However, what I did mention was that I found it odd that someone would use a quote in which Dusty says he is trying to play the kids and still win to support their position that Dusty refuses to play kids.

 

Maybe your knee-jerk reaction to a Dusty quote thread so it supports your "posters go too far with Dusty hate" theory is what should be questioned.

I addressed this in the previous post. If you have a case that supports this accusation, please make it. If not, please retract the accusation.

 

All it comes down to is semantics. Dusty doesn't like to play young players. No, he overvalues major league experience. That person is a racist/sexist. No, they overvalue being white/male.

This example doesn't work. Dusty is paid to win, supposedly. It is his job to determine which players will give his team the best chance at winning that day. It is his job to make value decisions.

 

No one is paid to be a racist or a sexist. It is no one's job to make value decisions when it comes to someone's race or sex.

 

Actually, this example serves to illustrate the point I'm making rather well. If you are the boss of a company and you feel that the best salesperson you have for this certain account is a white male, does that mean you are racist or sexist? No. It may mean, as in any value decision, that you are more familiar with the strengths of that one sales person (who happens to be a white male) than you are with the strengths of the rest of the sales people. And, naturally, you have more trust in that which you are most familiar. But you are not basing your decisions on the mere fact that they are white or male.

 

That is why I think it is inaccurate to say that Dusty is biased against rookies simply because they are rookies. He is just trying to win and going with what he knows best and trusts most. Is this flawed? You betcha. Should he be fired for it? Yes.

 

It's just a matter of degrees, and many people take it further than you personally like, because they are tired of the same nonsense for the last 2 years.

I understand why you would see it as a matter of degrees or semantics. But I call it meaning what you write, being accurate and fairly representing the views of the people you criticize. And being tired is no excuse. I'm tired of it, too. So I call for him to be fired and I list my reasons. But I don't have to misrepresent him, twist his quotes around or call him almost every despicable name allowed on this message board to do it.

 

Do I challenge the great fans on this website to have well-supported opinions and to be respectful in how they present them? Yes. Am I wrong for doing so? I don't think so, but I'm open to hearing from those who have a strong case for why I am.

[Larry Horse]

That is why I think it is inaccurate to say that Dusty is biased against rookies simply because they are rookies. He is just trying to win and going with what he knows best and trusts most. Is this flawed? You betcha. Should he be fired for it? Yes.

 

CubsWin, I'm a little confused.

 

You say Dusty isn't biased against rookies "simply because they are rookies". Murton is called up the first time this year, performs well, yet Holly gets the majority of the PT. Why? "You just can't sit Holly.", I believe was Dusty's quote. (Which of course, being the manager, he could) Now I think any other manager would base playing time on who produced while playing. Yet, for some strange reason, Dusty doesn't. He is going with "what he knows best and trusts most" which are veterans.

 

Now if Dusty's "going with what he knows best and trusts most" (veterans) have put the team in the position they are in now, and he has other options (rookies) and won't play them on an everyday basis, that leads me to believe he doesn't like playing rookies. And if the rookies he has sporadically played have performed, then that leads me to believe that he doesn't like rookies because they are rookies.

 

What exactly is the Garvey-like reason Dusty has the Cubs playing for right now? Is it to continue to play the same players who have gotten the Cubs to this point because he thinks it gives them the best chance to win, even though they are under .500?

 

The nonsensical things Dusty says will continue to have their own threads, because it backs up the opinions of those who want him fired and this quote falls in this category. I don't see how anyone can defend this guy, IMO.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is it even worth calling out everyone who needlessly attacked Dusty Baker in this thread? Would they even open their minds long enough to hear a differing opinion backed with solid logic?

 

This quote of his actually made perfect sense, wasn't stupid at all and quoted him as saying that he is playing the kids while still trying to win.

 

Someone in this thread actually used this quote to try to bolster their argument that Dusty never plays "kids".

 

Does Dusty overvalue major league experience? I think so, yes.

Does he say stuff that is convoluted and unclear? Yeah.

Does he deserve to be fired as manager of the Cubs? I think so.

 

Do the overly-negative, knee-jerk reactions to the Dusty quote in this thread serve as evidence supporting my position that some fans take their hatred of Dusty too far sometimes? Clearly.

 

More than half the posts in this thread are wondering what Dusty was saying, with some cheap seats references thrown in. I count exactly one poster relating this quote to Dusty playing young players, which he certainly has a right to do so. Maybe your knee-jerk reaction to a Dusty quote thread so it supports your "posters go too far with Dusty hate" theory is what should be questioned. All it comes down to is semantics. Dusty doesn't like to play young players. No, he overvalues major league experience. That person is a racist/sexist. No, they overvalue being white/male. It's just a matter of degrees, and many people take it further than you personally like, because they are tired of the same nonsense for the last 2 years.

I didn't want to have to spell things out like this, but now I feel I must.

 

Clearly, CP20, I was not addressing the fans in this thread who were not trying to use this quote to whip Dusty Baker. Why bring up the posts that were about Cheap Seats? Why not address the other ones? Do you think they were justified in what they wrote about Baker given the quote in question? You accuse me of having a knee-jerk reaction to a Dusty quote thread. That would imply that you think my post is completely unjustified. Do you? If so, please make a case to support such an accusation.

 

The reason to bring up the number of people who aren't needlessly bashing Dusty in this thread is because of your exaggeration in your original post of "is it even worth calling out everyone who needlessly attacked Dusty in this thread". Only a couple out of the 20 odd posts in the thread relate the quote to Dusty's performance. The rest are just calling him out for saying something that didn't make any sense. Your post is completely unjustified, since you've obviously done the same thing that you are accusing people of. You assumed that what everyone was saying was the worst possible interpretation so that it supported your "everyone takes things too far with Dusty" crusade. And, you missed the point on the racism/sexist arguments. Your whole argument of "Dusty doesn't hate young players, he (over)values major league experience" is pretty much saying the exact same thing. Some people may choose the former because of their emotions towards Dusty, or a flair for the dramatic/sarcastic. It's a pointless campaign to trying to get people to use the nicest possible language when criticizing a player/manager. Hyperbole is not always bad, and in some cases it's not even hyperbole.

 

 

 

Clearly, the reason why I accused the authors of the above quotes of having knee-jerk reactions is because the quote makes perfect sense and yet they reacted as if it didn't. That's seems like a pretty open and shut case to me, but maybe I'm not seeing something that you are. So please, make your case why this quote doesn't make any sense and that I'm the one who has the knee-jerk reactions, or kindly retract your accusation.

 

I don't think you can say that it clearly makes sense. I read it three times and then posted that I had no idea what he was talking about. If someone wants to say that a quote that they think doesn't make any sense makes him look like an idiot, I think that's well within reason. But then again, this shows your leap to think that everyone completely understood what he was saying, and therefore were unnecessarily bashing Dusty.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That is why I think it is inaccurate to say that Dusty is biased against rookies simply because they are rookies.

 

How is "Dusty is biased against rookies just because they are rookies" any different than "Dusty overvalues major league experience"? Clearly if you overvalue major league experience, then you are predisposed against, otherwise called biased against, people who lack that experience.