What if rosters

[goonys evil twin]

SI offered up a list of team's rosters without any trades or free agent movements. In other words, players are on the team they first went pro with.

 

 

Cubs games would be 1-0, although they wouldn't have enough fielders to stop the other team from scoring at will.

 

With Andy's group in charge since '94, and zero quality position players coming up since then (and really only a half dozen quality pitchers), it's becoming clearer everyday that this management team has failed pretty significantly.

[UK1679666180]

Shows the dominance of the Braves as well, as far as being to develop a farm system despite the "pressures" of winning every year. Or, maybe they go hand in hand? I'd like to think they go hand in hand.

[goonys evil twin]

Shows the dominance of the Braves as well, as far as being to develop a farm system despite the "pressures" of winning every year. Or, maybe they go hand in hand? I'd like to think they go hand in hand.

 

It's kind of funny that when this regime started overhauling the organization, they decided to concentrate almost exclusively on pitching, as they were going to try and emulate the Braves, who dominated with pitching. Yet in the process they ignored offense (or concentrated on the completely wrong aspects of offense), which is really where Atlanta did the most damage.

 

Perhaps drafting and developing pitchers, then trading them off for bats wasn't the genius idea they thought it was. Perhaps you need guys who can hit to win baseball games, and perhaps you need to develop your own guys who can do that. I don't know though, I'm just a fan who hasn't "been there".

[Mark_R]

The Astros team is just ridiculous.

 

Biggio, Berkman, Abreu, Guillen, Mora, Ensberg, Gonzo, Johan, Oswalt, Lidge, Wagner, Freddy Garcia.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Abreu and Santana and all they get is Kevin Stocker. hahaha

[abuck1220]

Shows the dominance of the Braves as well, as far as being to develop a farm system despite the "pressures" of winning every year. Or, maybe they go hand in hand? I'd like to think they go hand in hand.

 

It's kind of funny that when this regime started overhauling the organization, they decided to concentrate almost exclusively on pitching, as they were going to try and emulate the Braves, who dominated with pitching. Yet in the process they ignored offense (or concentrated on the completely wrong aspects of offense), which is really where Atlanta did the most damage.

 

Perhaps drafting and developing pitchers, then trading them off for bats wasn't the genius idea they thought it was. Perhaps you need guys who can hit to win baseball games, and perhaps you need to develop your own guys who can do that. I don't know though, I'm just a fan who hasn't "been there".

 

yeah, dummy. obviously people in charge of a sub-.500 team with a $95 million payroll know what they're doing.

[UK1679666180]

They're in an odd window, they traded all of their top position prospects for improvements (Choi, Hill, Harris, etc). But, unlike other teams who have been successful doing that, they did not have the depth to have other top position players come up thru the system and trade off the second tier who might be a top 5 prospect in another weaker system.

 

It just left them trading for quality players with salaries representative of a player with 6+ years of service time and no one else to come up thru the pipeline. To compensate for the increase in payroll, they have cut the budget for international scouting, been drafting lower b/c of a better record, combined with having to sign FAs since no one can come up thru the system and losing draft picks.

 

Despite the winning and cuts in spending, Atlanta cut the ML payroll before the scouting budget, the Cubs went the opposite route, we're watching the byproduct of it.

[goonys evil twin]

It just left them trading for quality players with salaries representative of a player with 6+ years of service time and no one else to come up thru the pipeline. To compensate for the increase in payroll, they have cut the budget for international scouting, been drafting lower b/c of a better record, combined with having to sign FAs since no one can come up thru the system and losing draft picks.

 

Despite the winning and cuts in spending, Atlanta cut the ML payroll before the scouting budget, the Cubs went the opposite route, we're watching the byproduct of it.

 

I wish I could remember the phrase I used back in the late 90's about the perpetual cycle of mediocrity. This might be where we are stuck again. This is what happens when you go on a never ending quest for proven veterans. It's inefficient management.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

The Mets have a helluva bullpen. That's important considering they have a 2-man rotation.

[Omar]

SP: Greg Maddux, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Dontrelle Willis, Carlos Zambrano, Jamie Moyer, Jon Garland

 

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[UK1679666180]

It just left them trading for quality players with salaries representative of a player with 6+ years of service time and no one else to come up thru the pipeline. To compensate for the increase in payroll, they have cut the budget for international scouting, been drafting lower b/c of a better record, combined with having to sign FAs since no one can come up thru the system and losing draft picks.

 

Despite the winning and cuts in spending, Atlanta cut the ML payroll before the scouting budget, the Cubs went the opposite route, we're watching the byproduct of it.

 

I wish I could remember the phrase I used back in the late 90's about the perpetual cycle of mediocrity. This might be where we are stuck again. This is what happens when you go on a never ending quest for proven veterans. It's inefficient management.

 

This Cubs team will likely finish around 81 wins, there's a 3 year window where less than 10 wins or losses will run parallel with avg. play and missed playoffs (exception:winning the division with 88 wins).

 

They'll never likely have an extreme upswing if having to rely of FA to improve the team, it'll be treading water hoping for a career year.

[Nobody youd want to know]

The Astros team is just ridiculous.

 

Biggio, Berkman, Abreu, Guillen, Mora, Ensberg, Gonzo, Johan, Oswalt, Lidge, Wagner, Freddy Garcia.

 

Yeah, but they had a few high draft picks to use on those guys. Likewise the Nationals. The team that impresses me is the Yanks, who amassed their talent picking near the bottom of the draft order, for the most part.

[Outshined_One]

If we're talking this year's version of the Cubs, here are some possible additions...

 

1B: Rafael Palmeiro, Eric Hinske, Hee-Seop Choi

2B: ???

3B: Kevin Orie (ha ha ha)

SS: Ronny Cedeno

C: Jose Molina

LF: Matt Murton

CF: Corey Patterson

RF: David Kelton or Jason Dubois

SP: Greg Maddux, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Dontrelle Willis, Carlos Zambrano, Jamie Moyer, Jon Garland

RP: Kyle Farnsworth, Justin Speier, Randy Williams

 

That BP would be loaded considering the number of talented starters they'd convert to relievers.

 

Also, the Nationals have a pretty darn good team:

 

1B: Matt Stairs

2B: Jose Vidro

3B: Geoff Blum

SS: Orlando Cabrera

C: Michael Barrett

LF: Cliff Floyd, Jason Bay

CF: Brad Wilkerson, Grady Sizemore, Milton Bradley

RF: Vladimir Guerrrero, Larry Walker

SP: Randy Johnson, Javier Vazquez, Cliff Lee, Kirk Rueter

RP: Chad Cordero, Ugueth Urbina, Jorge Julio, Miguel Batista, Antonio Alfonseca

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If we're talking this year's version of the Cubs, here are some possible additions...

 

1B: Rafael Palmeiro, Eric Hinske, Hee-Seop Choi

2B: ???

3B: Kevin Orie (ha ha ha)

SS: Ronny Cedeno

C: Jose Molina

LF: Matt Murton

CF: Corey Patterson

RF: David Kelton or Jason Dubois

SP: Greg Maddux, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood, Dontrelle Willis, Carlos Zambrano, Jamie Moyer, Jon Garland

RP: Kyle Farnsworth, Justin Speier, Randy Williams

 

That BP would be loaded considering the number of talented starters they'd convert to relievers.

 

They'd probably be best served converting Willis to 2B.