Someone else is going down?

[imb]

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=96966

 

Rumors are circulating that another star player is about to join Baltimore Orioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro and be implicated for the use of banned, performance-enhancing drugs, but it appears unlikely he will come from the Red Sox.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=96966

 

Rumors are circulating that another star player is about to join Baltimore Orioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro and be implicated for the use of banned, performance-enhancing drugs, but it appears unlikely he will come from the Red Sox.

 

Sosa? Pujols? Clemens?

[Derwood]

Jose Macias!

[samhainn77]

Jose Macias!

 

Let it be true! Better yet, let it be Dusty! Toothpicks are heavy.

[moorecg]

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=96966

 

Rumors are circulating that another star player is about to join Baltimore Orioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro and be implicated for the use of banned, performance-enhancing drugs, but it appears unlikely he will come from the Red Sox.

 

Sosa? Pujols? Clemens?

 

Although I'm sure its not...and I hate to wish ill on any guy...and he seems to be a quality all around guy...a mean part deep inside of me would smile widely if it were Pujols...it might make this season more bareable down here in the STL.

[JC]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

[Derwood]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

 

ie Jose Cruz Jr.?

[JC]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

 

ie Jose Cruz Jr.?

 

I wasn't talking about anyone specific, particularly not an ex-Twin...

[Derwood]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

 

ie Jose Cruz Jr.?

 

I wasn't talking about anyone specific, particularly not an ex-Twin...

 

No, but Cruz fits the bill. He was picked up after being DFA'd by the D-Backs, then 2 weeks later is DFA'd again by the BoSox. Think they found something irregular in the pee cup?

[dalgreen]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

 

ie Jose Cruz Jr.?

 

I wasn't talking about anyone specific, particularly not an ex-Twin...

 

No, but Cruz fits the bill. He was picked up after being DFA'd by the D-Backs, then 2 weeks later is DFA'd again by the BoSox. Think they found something irregular in the pee cup?

 

Jose Cruz, Jr. is a "star" player?

[JC]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

 

ie Jose Cruz Jr.?

 

I wasn't talking about anyone specific, particularly not an ex-Twin...

 

No, but Cruz fits the bill. He was picked up after being DFA'd by the D-Backs, then 2 weeks later is DFA'd again by the BoSox. Think they found something irregular in the pee cup?

 

He wasn't outright released. He was traded to the Dodgers from Boston, I believe.

[Derwood]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

 

ie Jose Cruz Jr.?

 

I wasn't talking about anyone specific, particularly not an ex-Twin...

 

No, but Cruz fits the bill. He was picked up after being DFA'd by the D-Backs, then 2 weeks later is DFA'd again by the BoSox. Think they found something irregular in the pee cup?

 

He wasn't outright released. He was traded to the Dodgers from Boston, I believe.

 

Yep, didn't catch that transaction. That ends that speculation then.

 

Though you don't wish ill on anyone, it is more fun when the steroid tests turn up for star players. It's the only way they'll clean the game up anyways (i mean, who cares if Jamal Strong or Ryan Franklin test positive?)

[TheDude]

If a player has been recently released by a team, I wonder if his violation of the policy would still be made public? In the hypothetical instance of a team picking up a DFA'd player, finding out that he tested positive, then releasing him before the results are announced...

I immediately thought of the same person. But maybe that is just because of Jose Canseco's mouthing off spree.

[erik316wttn]

Jim Edmonds!!!

[Cubzfan64]

They were talking about it this morning on WEEI Boston - "unnamed players" apparently told 1 or 2 of the sports guys in Boston that there may be as many as 12-14 more names out there that MLB has knowledge of failing the drug test and that 1 or 2 are more high profile players than Palmeiro.

 

Hard to put too much stock in "he said, she said," but considering how long they knew about Palmeiro and kept it quiet, it wouldn't surprise me if there were more names out there to be released.

[Hawkeyes]

They were talking about it this morning on WEEI Boston - "unnamed players" apparently told 1 or 2 of the sports guys in Boston that there may be as many as 12-14 more names out there that MLB has knowledge of failing the drug test and that 1 or 2 are more high profile players than Palmeiro.

 

Hard to put too much stock in "he said, she said," but considering how long they knew about Palmeiro and kept it quiet, it wouldn't surprise me if there were more names out there to be released.

 

Selig was on PTI yesterday and said currently there was only 1 possible positive test an that it was for one of the "younger players."

 

The PTI guys didn't neccessarily believe Bud but applauded his being upset about Rogers' suspension being shortened.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Although I'm sure its not...and I hate to wish ill on any guy...and he seems to be a quality all around guy...a mean part deep inside of me would smile widely if it were Pujols...it might make this season more bareable down here in the STL.

I would giggle like a schoolgirl.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Although I'm sure its not...and I hate to wish ill on any guy...and he seems to be a quality all around guy...a mean part deep inside of me would smile widely if it were Pujols...it might make this season more bareable down here in the STL.

I would giggle like a schoolgirl.

 

I'd be perfectly fine with him being clean if we found out he was actually 31 years old.

[JC]

Until the Palmeiro incident, I wasn't aware that they had an arbitration process available to the positive testers. I was under the impression that if there was a positive test, it was to be made known.

 

This entire process, while I was encouraged at first, is a farce, from testing to enforcement.

[mjohnson71]

What if it's D. Lee? He is still batting .070 above his usual average and is currently in a slump. What if they found out he was juicing and that started his current slide because he's all worried?

 

That would be a kick in the teeth.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What if it's D. Lee? He is still batting .070 above his usual average and is currently in a slump. What if they found out he was juicing and that started his current slide because he's all worried?

 

That would be a kick in the teeth.

 

:roll:

[wolf stansson]

They were talking about it this morning on WEEI Boston - "unnamed players" apparently told 1 or 2 of the sports guys in Boston that there may be as many as 12-14 more names out there that MLB has knowledge of failing the drug test and that 1 or 2 are more high profile players than Palmeiro.

According to the Boston Herald, apparantly unnamed sources inside MLB are reporting that as many as 58 players have tested positive, but their names are being withheld as baseball tries to plan for the impending PR disaster it will cause. The article further suggested that among these 58 were at least 2 high-profile players who are bigger stars than Palmeiro.

 

I won't speculate, because there is really no point, but if Pujols tested positive I would be uber depressed. Needless to say, this situation will be interesting to watch unfold. High drama.

 

Players I especially hope aren't among the 58:

Any Cardinal - obviously

Derrek Lee

Dontrelle Willis

Miguel Tejada

Roger Clemens - It'd be nice to see at least one of our generation's icons to retire without the shroud of steroids over their head

 

Players I wouldn't mind seeing on the list - Manny Ramirez, Sheffield, Bonds, A-Rod, Oswalt, JD Drew, Beltre, Sosa.

 

Bernie Miklacz from the St Louis Post-Dispatch has his own forum.

I took this thread from there. Worth the read - Link

Edited August 10, 2005 by wolf stansson

[JD42K]

I hope Sheffield's not on it. I like his moxie. He's got a lot of spunk.

[JC]

They were talking about it this morning on WEEI Boston - "unnamed players" apparently told 1 or 2 of the sports guys in Boston that there may be as many as 12-14 more names out there that MLB has knowledge of failing the drug test and that 1 or 2 are more high profile players than Palmeiro.

According to the Boston Herald, apparantly unnamed sources inside MLB are reporting that as many as 58 players have tested positive, but their names are being withheld as baseball tries to plan for the impending PR disaster it will cause. The article further suggested that among these 58 were at least 2 high-profile players who are bigger stars than Palmeiro.

 

I couldn't find this on the Boston Herald web site.

[wolf stansson]

I couldn't find this on the Boston Herald web site.

http://sports.bostonherald.com/sportsColumnists/view.bg?articleid=97391

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One big mess! Baseball rife with word of more positive tests

By Howard Bryant

Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - Updated: 01:30 AM EST

 

Before last week's Red Sox-Royals finale, a Royals player, who shall remain nameless, sat in the Kansas City dugout staring straight ahead squinting against the early afternoon sun. The topic was Rafael Palmeiro, whose 10-game suspension for violating the league's steroid policy expires tomorrow.

 

"Forget Palmeiro," the player said. "Be on the lookout for more. There are more names coming. Trust me."

 

The television executive whose network is a rights holder of Major League Baseball said last Friday that baseball had the names of as many as a dozen positive steroid tests that it was withholding from the public, unsure in the wake of the Palmeiro disaster exactly how to proceed.

 

Three days later, before Monday's 11-6 Sox win over Texas, a Red Sox pitcher heard the same thing, which reminded me of the words, "the rumors are always true," a classic line in Robert Altman's 1992 film "The Player."

 

"We're all hearing the same thing," the player said, noting that leading up to the Palmeiro announcement word had floated for days that "somebody big" was going down. "I heard they had 58 names they weren't releasing. I also heard that at least two were bigger than Palmeiro."

 

Later that afternoon, a former executive told me he had heard the talk recently, too, but the number is closer to 50 than 58.

 

Baseball executives say the rumors are not true, that the talk is cheap, more grist for the messy rumor mill. Baseball officials say there is no intrigue.

 

Yet this is the tale being spun around clubhouses in Major League Baseball, emblematic of the odd and suspicious environment that exists around the game right now.

 

The season itself is powered by Old Faithful – the wondrous game itself – and the power of baseball alone is preventing the season from turning into one big mess. But internally, teams are angry at the way the steroid process has unfolded.

 

The Red Sox are livid – less so now because Baltimore has fallen out of the race – that Palmeiro was allowed to play against them in the four-game series before the All-Star break. Imagine the games where Palmeiro demolished the Red Sox affecting the pennant race. Sox officials remain quiet on the subject, however, lest they give the appearance of sour grapes

 

An Oakland executive not named Beane was frustrated, leaning toward believing the rumors. "If they knew about Palmeiro since May," the executive said, "what's to say they aren't sitting on more names?"

 

Players now sympathize with Juan Rincon, the Twins pitcher who was suspended for 10 games without appeal. Three months after his suspension, having already forfeited games and salary, Rincon's appeal is now being heard. Players want to know if they are being set up by the league in this political wrestling match to prove it is not soft on drugs. The leak that Palmeiro used the powerful steroid stanozolol, players believe, came from Park Avenue.

 

Twins officials aren't happy, either, for had Rincon been allowed to play while his appeal was being heard – as was the case with Palmeiro – he might have helped them chalk up a few more wins, something the Twins desperately need as they fade from the playoff race. Rincon has been told if his appeal is upheld he will have his service time reinstated. League officials haven't, however, told him how he will reclaim his name.