Martial Arts?

[Roast]

Is anyone else here in a Martial Art? If so, which one? I am in TaeKwonDo for those of you who do not know.

[imb]

i dont do martial arts because id rather just get drunk

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I practice marital arts.....but my wife said not to give any details.

[Marco4]

Looks like the 'not doers' are coming through strong. I've always wanted to fence, but that's not really a martial art anyway.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've wanted to learn to shoot a grenade launcher. Would that be a martial arts? I think the experts should convene here.

 

I vote yes.

[treebird]

I've wanted to learn to shoot a grenade launcher. Would that be a martial arts? I think the experts should convene here.

 

I vote yes.

 

need more info

 

Are you going to just fire it at random or will you be aiming at something specific?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've wanted to learn to shoot a grenade launcher. Would that be a martial arts? I think the experts should convene here.

 

I vote yes.

 

need more info

 

Are you going to just fire it at random or will you be aiming at something specific?

 

If I answer specific, do I have to name a target. I don't want anything to be able to be traced back to me.

[treebird]

I've wanted to learn to shoot a grenade launcher. Would that be a martial arts? I think the experts should convene here.

 

I vote yes.

 

need more info

 

Are you going to just fire it at random or will you be aiming at something specific?

 

If I answer specific, do I have to name a target. I don't want anything to be able to be traced back to me.

 

nope i just want to make sure that youre not firing the thing at random, because that most certainly would not be a martial art

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've wanted to learn to shoot a grenade launcher. Would that be a martial arts? I think the experts should convene here.

 

I vote yes.

 

need more info

 

Are you going to just fire it at random or will you be aiming at something specific?

 

If I answer specific, do I have to name a target. I don't want anything to be able to be traced back to me.

 

nope i just want to make sure that youre not firing the thing at random, because that most certainly would not be a martial art

 

Ok....Dusty's Chevy wouldn't be random, would it?

[Tim]

Is anyone else here in a Martial Art? If so, which one? I am in TaeKwonDo for those of you who do not know.

Got something against Aikido?!?!

 

Just kidding. I used to do TKD, but haven't in about 10 years. I think I'd rupture something if I tried some of those kicks at this point. Not stretched out anymore at all.

[Roast]

Is anyone else here in a Martial Art? If so, which one? I am in TaeKwonDo for those of you who do not know.

Got something against Aikido?!?!

 

Just kidding. I used to do TKD, but haven't in about 10 years. I think I'd rupture something if I tried some of those kicks at this point. Not stretched out anymore at all.

 

Doh, i have a friend thats in Aikido too. She does it as part of a mixed Martial Art. Either way. My brain sucks as much as the cubs. so i forgot.

[JC]

I received my brown belt in Hap-Ki-Do about 10-11 years ago when I was in college, but haven't kept it up. It was a pretty cool discipline.

[XZero771679666304]

I received my brown belt in Hap-Ki-Do about 10-11 years ago when I was in college, but haven't kept it up. It was a pretty cool discipline.

 

Yes it is. Hap-Ki-Do is a discipline that you may actually have use for as well.

 

 

Tae Kwon Do is fun, good exercise and pretty to look at, but effectively useless for practical application.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

What about Tae-Bo?

[JC]

I received my brown belt in Hap-Ki-Do about 10-11 years ago when I was in college, but haven't kept it up. It was a pretty cool discipline.

 

Yes it is. Hap-Ki-Do is a discipline that you may actually have use for as well.

 

As an example, I got mugged by three Moroccans in the Netherlands once (disclaimer: two were women, but that didn't stop them from kicking me in the head after they knocked me off my bike). It came in plenty handy.

[Roast]

Tae Kwon Do is fun, good exercise and pretty to look at, but effectively useless for practical application.

 

Bull.

 

You obviously know little about TKD. Joint locks, Pressure points, Ground fighting, Sparring, and other fighting tactics are huge parts of tkd.

[imb]

Hahha, Roast is going to get killed some day going for a pressure point on someone.

[XZero771679666304]

Tae Kwon Do is fun, good exercise and pretty to look at, but effectively useless for practical application.

 

Bull.

 

You obviously know little about TKD. Joint locks, Pressure points, Ground fighting, Sparring, and other fighting tactics are huge parts of tkd.

 

I know quite a bit. A girl I went to school with was the Junior World Champion in the mid 90's. I had a couple friends who were black belts from a reputable academy. Neither could defend themselves worth a damn.

 

Hosinsul is a principle of TKD that includes grappling and locks, but generally pure TKD is almost exclusively artistic in nature, focusing more on kicks and forms. Hosinsul generally gets watered down by the more prevelant flowery aspects of the discipline. Your school may be different, but this is generally the case.

 

Relative to Jujitsu, Judo, Kung Fu, Hap Ki Do and others that more focused are nearly totally applicable in a real life combat and self defense situations, TKD is pretty weak. In fact, the instructor at my friend's school taught both TKD and Hap-Ki-Do, and told new students that if the wanted to learn how to defend themselves, they should choose Hap-Ki-Do.

 

When I was younger (and far less cerebral), I used to get in my fair share of fights. Now this is going to offend some people, but there were always two kinds of guys who were the easiest to beat:

 

Wrestlers and TKD students. Both vastly overrated their fighting ability. Now I'm not some kind of badass, but if a person knows how to fight, TKD isn't going to save you. Against a clumsy bar room brawler type, probably.

 

Judo, Hap ki do and jujitsu would be the best for the average person to take for self defense, IMO.

[wolf stansson]

there were always two kinds of guys who were the easiest to beat:

 

Wrestlers and TKD students.

I agree. The wrestling kids would always try to lock you up and the TKD kids would always try to do their little steps. Neither works in the chaos of a real fight. The wrestling moves just don't hurt and the routine the TKD kids would do weren't exactly hard to beat. I'm not saying as a rule these kids can't fight, because if you do naturally know how to fight, adding the techniques can help you a lot.

[JC]

XZero sounds like he knows what he is talking about to me.

 

He is exactly right as far as Hap-Ki-Do is concerned. It is a discipline that is based primarily in self defense. For instance, one of the advanced stages was also known as "Limb Destruction". Hap-Ki-Do also incorporates weapon usage. I have no idea how prevalent that is in other martial arts.

 

Though I don't know a lot about TKD, I have generally heard it described as more of an artistic discipline. While that may be incorrect, it is how its always been described to me.

[JC]

The wrestling moves just don't hurt

 

Ever been in a grapevine? My best friend was an all state wrestler in HS. He would always kick my butt when we'd lock horns. While we didn't get in fights as much as it sounds, we got in some meathead fraternity fights and some other scrapes. He would always try to lock someone up. Not a great idea when there are multiple people that can take advantage of you being prone while giving a guy a full nelson.

[Roast]

I have been in TKD for ten years. It annoys me to no end the steriotyping that goes on with TKD. Yes, TKD has a major artistic element to it. However much you may think you know by having friends in it, I have been in it for the greater part of my life [insert your young joke here]. The difference between TKD and those other styles you mentioned are that the classes are, for the most part, not as hard core. By that I mean, our intention is not to beat the living hell out of each other.

 

When sparring in Karate (Some forms at least) punches to the head, and kicks to the legs are legal. TKD is a more controlled art. Punches to the face and anything below the belt is illegal in sparring. But, We often remind the students that, obviously, only counts in class and tournaments. If you ever have to defend yourself the rules go out the window.

 

Classes are fairly evenly tailored. While we teach the artistic side, or forms side of things, we explain how, if altered, these same artistic moves could be used in real life situations. And we practice them accordingly many times. There is an entire class devoted to self defense on saturdays, at my school. Many other schools also have such classes.

 

Its been brought up a couple times in this thread that the moves are ineffective. That is a horrible horrible and very untrue steriotype. Not that I dont know what your talking about. There is always that kid who is a little twirp but goes around bragging he is a black belt in TKD and he can kick anyones ass. But he always gets creamed. There was the perfect example of htis in my school up untill last year, when he quit TKD. The problem with these kids is they have NO idea how to use what they have learned. They just go around saying they are so great because either 1) they think if they tell people that, then said people will be affraid of them and leave htem alone. or 2) It makes them feel like a big guy to say they can kick your ass.

 

To say that the moves are ineffective in a fight is simply wrong. The problem is, exactly what you noted, they try to do their "steps". THey try to do combinations of moves verbatum from forms. WHich is why i say these people do not know how to APPLY their knowlege. A fighter, no matter what discipline of martial art they are from, must be able to think on their feet. Like people have said, fights are chaotic.

 

The people you see getting their ass kicked are being manhandled because they have this huge image of theirselves because they are a "BLACK BELT" and they think that makes them invinsible. That goes for EVERY martial art. Either that, or they have just not taken advantage of the full spectrum of TKD. You will find htat these students that are so boastfull or full of their TKD knowledge are those who only practice forms. They do not take sparring classes. And when they do (i.e. when we spar in our everyday classes, and they are forced to) they just go through the motions.

 

See, TKD can be broken up into three pretty equal categories. Forms, Sparring, and Board breaking. Those three parts are all very important to TKD. There are those who for various reasons (health, mental handicaps, physical handicaps, being a pansy) just focus on the form part. Some are jsut in it to say they are in it. Those are the people you see getting the living donkey crap kicked out of them.

 

Like I said, the Steriotypes that are placed on TKD annoy me to no end. To put it in terms everyone here can understand. Saying that TKD is ineffective, that they are usually the worst fighters, and so on is as uninformed as saying that Adam Dunn is a horrible player because he strikes out too much, and that AVG/HR/RBI are the only stats that count.

[imb]

If you wanted to be a fighter, you should have chosen something besides TKD. Face it, some day someone is going to punch you in the face, and you're going to have no idea what to do.

[JC]

 

See, TKD can be broken up into three pretty equal categories. Forms, Sparring, and Board breaking.

 

Point proven. Hap-Ki-Do is cooler simply by virtue of the terms used. I'll take Limb Destruction over Yard Stick Snapping any day.

[XZero771679666304]

I'm sorry Roast, but generally TKD just isn't as effective in real life situations as many other practices. I'm not talking out my arse on this, and I don't make statements like this unless I know what I am talking about. This has nothing to do with stereotyping, just the fact that TKD is generally watered down and artistic in nature. I explained why as succinctly as I could, and I'll stand by that assessment.

 

Just to refresh: Practices like Judo, Jujitsu and Hap-Ki-Do focus almost entirely on technical aspects like grappling, submission, disabling, disarming and flat out maiming. TKD focuses on a couple of those things, but not entirely. In fact the average TKD student will spend well less than half of his time on these along the way to black belt. The majority of what they do focus on is practically useless, and that's just the way it is. Now I am not saying all TKD schools are like this, but the majority are.

 

Now I qualified that statement by saying that somes schools may choose to focus primarily the more practical aspect, hosinsul, but the vast majority do not. And I am not denying that a serious student in a good scool could tailor what they have learned to suit real defense situations. TKD is a worthy activity, and I am not trying to denegrate it's value as a form of discipline.

 

But having said that and knowing a thing or two about hand-to-hand combat, if left with a choice between fighting a Judo, jujitsu, Hap-Ki-Do, Kung-Fu or TKD black belt, I choose the TKD 99.9% of the time. This isn't because of stereotype, just that knowledge tells me that gives me the best chance of not getting broken and defeated. You can say that TKD can be effective if the student properly applies what he has learned, but that is true of anything. Judo, Jujitsu, HDD, etc. are effective by their very nature, and do not require tweaking to be practically applicable. They are very straight forward and brutally effective.

 

For the record, I attended a couple of schools, but not for very long. There was a family freind who was an Army Ranger who told me that the best form of hand-to-hand was mixed martial arts. (most special forces practice a mixture mostly comprised of Judo and Jujitsu, IIRC) He said that if I wasn't going to go to a school, to study manuals and spar with anyone I knew who practiced matrial arts, so I did. I learned what I know about TKD from reading books and sparring with my two TKD student friends, both of who were black belts. That and running into many TKD students in different places.

 

Like I said before, I am not some kind of badass. And while one of the most important rules of fighting is no to underestimate your enemy, TKD generally doesn't instill fear in me, to say the least. I would avoid a confrontation with high level students of Judo, Jujitsu and HKD, If I had any kind of choice.

 

P.S. If anyone here is a practicioner of Kung-Fu, I'd like to discuss it. Kung-Fu is far less common then most others because it requires such an enormous commitment, if you are a serious student. I always wanted to take it, but finding a good school in the states is difficult.