8/5 Cubs (Hill) @ Mets (Glavine) 6:10 CT on WGN

[Blueheart05]

This team needs a complete overall, I don't think many other teams would stick with Dusty & his staff this long.

 

Did anyone see this?

 

"We have a very upfront, honest relationship," Hendry said. "We're not playing as well as we all would've hoped but that's certainly not a reflection on his standing with me as a general manager as far as managing our club."

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050805&content_id=1159003&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Edited August 6, 2005 by Blueheart05

[Brian]

I'm mixed on Hendry. He really turned around the Minor League system and made it respectable, and he made a bunch of good moves but there is a bunch of loose ends that he needs to fix.

[erik316wttn]

the Cubs are willing to eat 18M worth of Sammy money, but can't justify firing the (arguably) worst field manager in the game during the year?

 

Dusty will be fired at the close of the Season. There is no way for this team to go forward otherwise...

 

No, Dusty SHOULD be fired. It would not shock me at all to see him as manager again in 2006. Again, this is the Cubs.

[dalgreen]

This team needs a complete overall, I don't think many other teams would stick with Dusty & his staff this long.

 

But this isn't "other teams". This is the Chicago Cubs, laughingstock of baseball for most of the past 97 years or so.

 

If Hendry cannot see the damage that Dusty has done/is doing to this team, I sincerely think he should make an appointment to check for brain damage. Maybe he hurt more than just his knee with that tumble down the stairs he took a while back.

 

Again, that's simplistic thinking to think that another manager with the same cast would be able to produce a 60-63 win team at this point. I don't understand, even with the hatred for Baker, that you choose to let Hendry and the players off the hook. If you want to fire Baker, fine. But then you have to at least get rid of some players or the coaches or the GM, too. You're giving Baker too much credit if you think he singlehandedly has ruined the team.

[Omar]

Hey, Orioles fired Lee Mazelli (sp?) and I wasnt expecting them to be this good especially against a division with Yankees and Red Sox.

 

Cubs arent going to fire Dusty, yet he runs a team below .500 that should be 15+ games over .500.

[erik316wttn]

This team needs a complete overall, I don't think many other teams would stick with Dusty & his staff this long.

 

But this isn't "other teams". This is the Chicago Cubs, laughingstock of baseball for most of the past 97 years or so.

 

If Hendry cannot see the damage that Dusty has done/is doing to this team, I sincerely think he should make an appointment to check for brain damage. Maybe he hurt more than just his knee with that tumble down the stairs he took a while back.

 

Again, that's simplistic thinking to think that another manager with the same cast would be able to produce a 60-63 win team at this point. I don't understand, even with the hatred for Baker, that you choose to let Hendry and the players off the hook. If you want to fire Baker, fine. But then you have to at least get rid of some players or the coaches or the GM, too. You're giving Baker too much credit if you think he singlehandedly has ruined the team.

 

I don't let Hendry and the players off the hook. The players are making errors that little leaguers know not to make, and Hendry didn't do a good job at all improviing this team in the offseason. But Dusty is responsible for the on-field play. If a guy isn't cutting it and has gotten chance after chance, he should be benched or replaced. If a guy keeps making a stupid error over and over again, he should be reprimanded and punished until he knows not to make it anymore. These guys keep making the SAME mistakes OVER and OVER and OVER again. If Dusty was really cracking down on it like he should, it either woudln't be happening, or the repeat offenders would be benched. Neither is happening.

[NYF]

gotta be an embarrasing sito for Wood. time the 10M, resident 'china doll' gets a dose of humility/ reality...

 

That's one way to think about it but I think he's a gamer. He decided to forgo his ego and pitch out of the 'pen when he could have asked to be shut down.

 

'gamer' my...

 

go get 'em Murton...

 

 

Wood is injury prone but how can you argue that he wants to be hurt or doesnt want to pitch? The guy's heart can't be measured by physical limitations. I'm sure he'd love to make 30+ starts a year.

 

if Wood was a true 'gamer', he'd pitch through real pain. this "twinge in my shoulder/ elbow/ back/" is laughable. it's one thing for a young pitcher to think about his future when the big payday is far off. quite another for K-Woody, when he's being paid far more than he's worth, and will EVER make again.

 

my point is that there is no reason for Wood to keep shutting himself down because of a "twinge". you're being paid to pitch. take the ball, and suck it up son...

 

 

He's had a cortisone shot this year. You don't get that unless you are in extreme pain... That's the problem, I think Kerry has been pitching (quietly) through pain for years. The same can be said this year; When you look back to his last start in Cincy, Rothschild and the trainer were tipped off by his change in velocity (they knew something was wrong) but when they visited him at the mound he didnt want to admit to the problem... He would have at the least, completed the inning but they correctly took him out instead of risking further damage. Even Steve Stone, one of his most ardent critics, says that Kerry is a tough guy who wants to pitch

 

Cortisone is is an anti-inflamatory drug. nothing more, nothing less. the use of Cortisone has less than nothing to do with Wood being a 'Gamer' or 'playing thru pain'...

 

what speaks volumes to this sito is the fact that multiple MRI's have turned up NOTHING wrong with Wood's shoulder. hence the move to the pen, and Hendry's obvious warning by said move...

 

IMHO, of course...

 

 

Obviously, you didnt follow the reports, the shot of cortisone was accompanied by a numbing agent to mask the pain. They shut him down in the days immediately following the shot so that it would wear off before his next pitching assignment...He will also have off season surgery. An MRI doesn't reveal every problem but then again, you knew that...

 

try using your analogy as a reason why YOU or I can't go to work tomorrow, then you may see my point...

 

peace...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Didn't the MRI's show he has a partially frayed labrum?

[Blueheart05]

gotta be an embarrasing sito for Wood. time the 10M, resident 'china doll' gets a dose of humility/ reality...

 

That's one way to think about it but I think he's a gamer. He decided to forgo his ego and pitch out of the 'pen when he could have asked to be shut down.

 

'gamer' my...

 

go get 'em Murton...

 

 

Wood is injury prone but how can you argue that he wants to be hurt or doesnt want to pitch? The guy's heart can't be measured by physical limitations. I'm sure he'd love to make 30+ starts a year.

 

if Wood was a true 'gamer', he'd pitch through real pain. this "twinge in my shoulder/ elbow/ back/" is laughable. it's one thing for a young pitcher to think about his future when the big payday is far off. quite another for K-Woody, when he's being paid far more than he's worth, and will EVER make again.

 

my point is that there is no reason for Wood to keep shutting himself down because of a "twinge". you're being paid to pitch. take the ball, and suck it up son...

 

 

He's had a cortisone shot this year. You don't get that unless you are in extreme pain... That's the problem, I think Kerry has been pitching (quietly) through pain for years. The same can be said this year; When you look back to his last start in Cincy, Rothschild and the trainer were tipped off by his change in velocity (they knew something was wrong) but when they visited him at the mound he didnt want to admit to the problem... He would have at the least, completed the inning but they correctly took him out instead of risking further damage. Even Steve Stone, one of his most ardent critics, says that Kerry is a tough guy who wants to pitch

 

Cortisone is is an anti-inflamatory drug. nothing more, nothing less. the use of Cortisone has less than nothing to do with Wood being a 'Gamer' or 'playing thru pain'...

 

what speaks volumes to this sito is the fact that multiple MRI's have turned up NOTHING wrong with Wood's shoulder. hence the move to the pen, and Hendry's obvious warning by said move...

 

IMHO, of course...

 

 

Obviously, you didnt follow the reports, the shot of cortisone was accompanied by a numbing agent to mask the pain. They shut him down in the days immediately following the shot so that it would wear off before his next pitching assignment...He will also have off season surgery. An MRI doesn't reveal every problem but then again, you knew that...

 

try using your analogy as a reason why YOU or I can't go to work tomorrow, then you may see my point...

 

peace...

 

I can't speak for you but I don't earn my living pitching (or doing any other physically demanding task). However, there are plenty of everyday people who are too injured to work which is why there's Workmen Compensation (but I digress)

 

Welcome to 4th place...

[Flames24Rulz]

im just hoping Wood and Williamson are good for the rest of the season. I liked what i saw from both of them in the pen. Whoever mentioned our potential pen for next year earlier in the thread is dead on..our pen could be great if Hendry can add one or 2 solid arms in it.

[dalgreen]

Hey, Orioles fired Lee Mazelli (sp?) and I wasnt expecting them to be this good especially against a division with Yankees and Red Sox.

 

Cubs arent going to fire Dusty, yet he runs a team below .500 that should be 15+ games over .500.

 

I highly doubt if I would've told you back on March 31st, that Wood would make less than 10 starts, Prior would miss two months, Walker would miss two months, Nomar would miss almost four months, Corey Patterson would be demoted to AAA, Hawkins would be traded, ARam would play hurt for the first six weeks of the season and our closer would only have 15 saves at the beginning of August, I doubt you'd say you still expect us to be 15 games over .500. If you want Baker fired that's fine, but don't use the record as an excuse.

[Blueheart05]

Didn't the MRI's show he has a partially frayed labrum?

 

 

Hmmm, I think you're right. I think that was lost here. I knew there was inflammation.

[Brian]

our pen could be great if Hendry can add one or 2 solid arms in it.

 

Billy Wagner

BJ Ryan

 

whatever it takes

[NYF]

Didn't the MRI's show he has a partially frayed labrum?

 

sadly, no...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Didn't the MRI's show he has a partially frayed labrum?

 

sadly, no...

 

From the injury update thread:

 

Off-Season Surgery Likely for Wood

 

The Cubs acknowledged Sunday that Kerry Wood may have arthroscopic surgery during the off-season to clean up minor fraying in the labrum of his right shoulder, and that a switch to the bullpen in 2006 also will be discussed.

 

Wood is expected to miss at least two starts after suffering soreness again during a start at Cincinnati last Wednesday and could be bound for the disabled list if he doesn't feel better in the next day or two.

 

Trainer Mark O'Neal confirmed surgery "absolutely" is an option that will been considered after the season.

 

"This has been a tough season for Woody," he said. "It's been a tough season for all of us.But we've got to make sure he's taken care of and his shoulder is taken care of.

 

"We're going to evaluate it at the end of the year, see how this situation plays out. But there's no question we're just going to shut [him] down at the end of the year and cross our fingers and hope we're perfectly fine next year."

[neely crenshaw]

there is no way wood stays in the pen next year unless he is the closer. we wouldn't even pay a closer 7 mil let alone then 12 mil kerry will get.

 

as far as blame goes hendry should get plenty...this is a crap team that he put together. we were 2 players away from dominating the nl 2 years ago and we are far worse now despite 100 mil payroll.

 

players should take some blame also. i have said this for 2 years now and hendry is proving it for me. if we keep this staff, along with aram and dlee...it doesn't matter who else we pick up, we will contend. the point is as nice as it is to contend after living through the 70's,80's and 90's(for me) we deserve better.

[Brian]

Lance Niekro just hit a 2 run shot for the Giants.

[Blueheart05]

Lance Niekro just hit a 2 run shot for the Giants.

 

Good start for the Giants. Maybe we won't be 6 back by the end of the evening...

[NYF]

Didn't the MRI's show he has a partially frayed labrum?

 

sadly, no...

 

From the injury update thread:

 

Off-Season Surgery Likely for Wood

 

The Cubs acknowledged Sunday that Kerry Wood may have arthroscopic surgery during the off-season to clean up minor fraying in the labrum of his right shoulder, and that a switch to the bullpen in 2006 also will be discussed.

 

Wood is expected to miss at least two starts after suffering soreness again during a start at Cincinnati last Wednesday and could be bound for the disabled list if he doesn't feel better in the next day or two.

 

Trainer Mark O'Neal confirmed surgery "absolutely" is an option that will been considered after the season.

 

"This has been a tough season for Woody," he said. "It's been a tough season for all of us.But we've got to make sure he's taken care of and his shoulder is taken care of.

 

"We're going to evaluate it at the end of the year, see how this situation plays out. But there's no question we're just going to shut [him] down at the end of the year and cross our fingers and hope we're perfectly fine next year."

 

the Doctor's report after Wood's latest MRI showed no problem. i think we all waited breathlessly for this report. hence the 15 day DL (retro-active). what you are quoting is quite obviously the 'Cub spin' on the situation, and a 'face saving' measure for a franchise mainstay...

 

a MLB trainer is not a Doctor. he(she) is a Cub employee. (and if history is any teacher, not nec. a credible source for injury diagnosis.)

 

Wood has complained about the same 'maladies' all year. why wouldn't the initial MRI in ST have pointed out the "so-called" labrum problem, and why wouldn't that problem have been addressed during Wood's extended stay on the DL earlier this year?

 

I remain adament in my position. Wood is a China Doll with the pain threshold of a 10 year old girl. (or so it would appear to this fan)...

[JonnyRed]

gotta be an embarrasing sito for Wood. time the 10M, resident 'china doll' gets a dose of humility/ reality...

 

That's one way to think about it but I think he's a gamer. He decided to forgo his ego and pitch out of the 'pen when he could have asked to be shut down.

 

'gamer' my...

 

go get 'em Murton...

 

 

Wood is injury prone but how can you argue that he wants to be hurt or doesnt want to pitch? The guy's heart can't be measured by physical limitations. I'm sure he'd love to make 30+ starts a year.

 

if Wood was a true 'gamer', he'd pitch through real pain. this "twinge in my shoulder/ elbow/ back/" is laughable. it's one thing for a young pitcher to think about his future when the big payday is far off. quite another for K-Woody, when he's being paid far more than he's worth, and will EVER make again.

 

my point is that there is no reason for Wood to keep shutting himself down because of a "twinge". you're being paid to pitch. take the ball, and suck it up son...

 

 

He's had a cortisone shot this year. You don't get that unless you are in extreme pain... That's the problem, I think Kerry has been pitching (quietly) through pain for years. The same can be said this year; When you look back to his last start in Cincy, Rothschild and the trainer were tipped off by his change in velocity (they knew something was wrong) but when they visited him at the mound he didnt want to admit to the problem... He would have at the least, completed the inning but they correctly took him out instead of risking further damage. Even Steve Stone, one of his most ardent critics, says that Kerry is a tough guy who wants to pitch

 

Cortisone is is an anti-inflamatory drug. nothing more, nothing less. the use of Cortisone has less than nothing to do with Wood being a 'Gamer' or 'playing thru pain'...

 

what speaks volumes to this sito is the fact that multiple MRI's have turned up NOTHING wrong with Wood's shoulder. hence the move to the pen, and Hendry's obvious warning by said move...

 

IMHO, of course...

 

Hey NYF...No offense, but unless you've been a serious pitcher having to fight through arm pain, while throwing 96 MPH, let's not go calling Woody a wimp for not pitching in pain. I guess it's much too easy to sit at your computer and call out people when you haven't been there yourself.

[Blueheart05]

Didn't the MRI's show he has a partially frayed labrum?

 

sadly, no...

 

From the injury update thread:

 

Off-Season Surgery Likely for Wood

 

The Cubs acknowledged Sunday that Kerry Wood may have arthroscopic surgery during the off-season to clean up minor fraying in the labrum of his right shoulder, and that a switch to the bullpen in 2006 also will be discussed.

 

Wood is expected to miss at least two starts after suffering soreness again during a start at Cincinnati last Wednesday and could be bound for the disabled list if he doesn't feel better in the next day or two.

 

Trainer Mark O'Neal confirmed surgery "absolutely" is an option that will been considered after the season.

 

"This has been a tough season for Woody," he said. "It's been a tough season for all of us.But we've got to make sure he's taken care of and his shoulder is taken care of.

 

"We're going to evaluate it at the end of the year, see how this situation plays out. But there's no question we're just going to shut [him] down at the end of the year and cross our fingers and hope we're perfectly fine next year."

 

the Doctor's report after Wood's latest MRI showed no problem. i think we all waited breathlessly for this report. hence the 15 day DL (retro-active). what you are quoting is quite obviously the 'Cub spin' on the situation, and a 'face saving' measure for a franchise mainstay...

 

a MLB trainer is not a Doctor. he(she) is a Cub employee. (and if history is any teacher, not nec. a credible source for injury diagnosis.)

 

Wood has complained about the same 'maladies' all year. why wouldn't the initial MRI in ST have pointed out the "so-called" labrum problem, and why wouldn't that problem have been addressed during Wood's extended stay on the DL earlier this year?

 

I remain adament in my position. Wood is a China Doll with the pain threshold of a 10 year old girl. (or so it would appear to this fan)...

 

What's really obvious is you have a bias against Wood. How do you explain the wild swings in velocity during his last start? It couldn't possibly be due to an issue with his shoulder... If Kerry had pushed the issue, he could have gone under the knife already but he's opted to help the team.

 

 

 

Oh, yeah to prove my earlier point about pain, here is just a reminder of what actually happened with the cortisone shot:

 

"The steroid that we injected in there is used to reduce inflammation in the joint," O'Neal said. ..."When they do [the injection], they put a couple of numbing medications along with the cortisone," O'Neal said. "And you have to let that completely wear down.

 

"We don't want this to be a mask by any means. This is not to get him to pitch with pain or cover pain by any means. That's why we wait two days before we'll even let him think about picking up a ball."

 

http://chicago.cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050721&content_id=1139852&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

[JonnyRed]

there is no way wood stays in the pen next year unless he is the closer. we wouldn't even pay a closer 7 mil let alone then 12 mil kerry will get.

 

as far as blame goes hendry should get plenty...this is a crap team that he put together. we were 2 players away from dominating the nl 2 years ago and we are far worse now despite 100 mil payroll.

 

players should take some blame also. i have said this for 2 years now and hendry is proving it for me. if we keep this staff, along with aram and dlee...it doesn't matter who else we pick up, we will contend. the point is as nice as it is to contend after living through the 70's,80's and 90's(for me) we deserve better.

 

I'm not sure how you can give the GM more blame than the actual players on the field? Except for D-Lee, A-Ram, Burnitz and possibly Dempster, no other player has lived up to expectations this year. As much as I love Prior, is it Hendry or Dusty's fault that Prior gives up a GS before he even breaks a sweat yesterday? Or how bout the 3 pitchers who couldn't cover first base? There's plenty of blame to go around, but Hendry is the least of our worries.

[Blueheart05]

The Giants now lead Houston 3-0 in the 4th

[barrettismyidol]

So I went out to see a movie tonight and missed the entire game, and don't even care. And I always care how the Cubs do. Man, I really hoped this would be a good year, but it doesn't seem so great.

[Flames24Rulz]

Astros lose...looking on the bright side, we could be 7 games down but yet were still only 5 down. We need some WINS.