Waiver/Trade Rules for August

[Southpaw191679666239]

Perhaps this can be made into a sticky thread, so there aren't several threads asking how waiver claims work. This info is from here on MLB.com:

 

Waiver Rundown

After the July 31 deadline, any player on a 40-man roster must clear Major League waivers before being traded. That is, the player must be offered to the other teams in reverse order of the standings, and if he is claimed by one of the teams he cannot be traded. The club that made the waiver request can either withdraw the request and keep the player or let the player go to the claiming team, which would then have the rights to the player and be obligated to that player's current contract.

 

A waiver, which is a permission granted for certain assignments of player contracts, can get complicated if more than one team makes a waiver claim. If more than one club in the same league makes a claim, then the club currently lower in the standings gets the player. If clubs in both leagues claim the player, preference goes to the club in the same league as the club requesting waivers.

 

If none of that makes sense, think of it this way.

 

Throughout the season, players ranging from superstar to end-of-the-bench, barely-in-the-bigs status routinely and often quietly go on waiver lists. This is a routine manner in which teams can figure out how much interest certain players are gathering from other teams and try to get trade talks going.

 

The same withdrawal guidelines are in effect now, with one big difference in the sequence: Teams waive players with the explicit intent of shedding them and their contracts. In other words, if Team A puts in a claim just to prevent Team B from making a deal, Team A might find itself with an unwanted drain on its payroll.

 

The best example of this came in 1998 with the San Diego Padres, who put in a claim for lefty closer Randy Myers to keep Toronto from dealing the left-handed closer to Atlanta.

 

At the time, the Padres and Braves were leading their respective divisions, meaning the Padres only wanted to deny Atlanta an extra weapon for their guaranteed playoff meeting. They didn't want Myers -- but they got him, and picked up a bill of $14 million for the total of 14 1/3 innings he pitched for the Padres after Toronto didn't withdraw his name.

 

This year, with so many teams so close in the standings and seemingly in the hunt for playoff berths at the July 31 deadline, it's possible that some of the real blockbusters could happen in August.

[rickrolled]

Thanks for the post.

 

After reading that, it makes me think we could see some big deals in August, even though we normally don't.

[Roast]

Thanks for the post.

 

After reading that, it makes me think we could see some big deals in August, even though we normally don't.

 

Yea, It was a real quiet deadline because, IMO, there are far far too many teams still in the running. Look at the wild card in both leagues. They are really bunched up at the top. My guess is, as some of the teams begin to fade out, more trades will happen.

[reggiemiller rules]

Im thinking there is a good chance that Griffey may go to a new team through the waivers. His contract is way to big for someone to pick up without a trade where the Reds pay part of it.

[rickrolled]

Im thinking there is a good chance that Griffey may go to a new team through the waivers. His contract is way to big for someone to pick up without a trade where the Reds pay part of it.

 

Agreed. Around the deadline, Griffey wasn't in the Reds lineup and Rotoworld had said that the Cubs were interested. I wonder if JH would still be interested in getting him and moving Lawton to maybe LF.

[reggiemiller rules]

I would think the Yankees and Cards are 2 more teams that may be interested. In the case of Griffey I dont think it would take that much as far as prospects because the main idea is to get rid of his contract.

[Wheelimus]

I'd bet that will heavily depend on how Corey Patterson does in the minors over the next few weeks, and how Jerry Hairston does.

 

Assuming, you know, that Burnitz doesn't move to center, Lawton plays right, and Murton plays left :D

[Flames24Rulz]

Im thinking there is a good chance that Griffey may go to a new team through the waivers. His contract is way to big for someone to pick up without a trade where the Reds pay part of it.

 

Agreed. Around the deadline, Griffey wasn't in the Reds lineup and Rotoworld had said that the Cubs were interested. I wonder if JH would still be interested in getting him and moving Lawton to maybe LF.

 

Griffey or any of the Reds OF'ers ..i dont know if i could wait another month :lol:

 

like Roast said though, there's hardly any teams that are out of it. Of course you have your stupid teams like the DRays and the Reds with stupid owners/GM's that instead of trading your best players for some pretty nice prospects, you say your not going to trade anyone or you ask for the whole farm system. Idiots.

 

if we managed to snag Griffey like the Cards did with Walker in August last year, id be more then happy :D

[CubfaninCA]

Im thinking there is a good chance that Griffey may go to a new team through the waivers. His contract is way to big for someone to pick up without a trade where the Reds pay part of it.

 

Is their any team below the Cubs who would pick him up?? I sure can't think of any. Maybe LA, but I doubt it. They have enough injuries problems and will probably just go w/ Bradley.

[CubfaninCA]

Cincy's stupid if they hang onto their over-surplus of hitters. Being #1 in runs scored in the NL hasn't gotten them anywhere. They need some pitching.

 

If Nomar's 80%, the Cubs have the best lineup in the NL w/ Griffey,

 

Lawton, Nomah, Lee, Griffey, ARam, Burnitz, Walker and Barrett....

 

The Cubs guys can clear waivers by being listed as PTBNL correct??

[NorthsideAvenger]

I would think the Yankees and Cards are 2 more teams that may be interested. In the case of Griffey I dont think it would take that much as far as prospects because the main idea is to get rid of his contract.

 

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

[Southpaw191679666239]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

[Wheelimus]

Nevermind that NOBODY is going to claim Griffey, as any trade for him would be Cincy eating a lot of money in exchange for prospects. More likely they'd let him go through and immediately try to top our offer for Griffey.

 

Nevermind that it's not 100% sure that the players we'd give up would be on the 40 man roster, but like has been said, I think they can get around that by doing it as a PTBNL

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

 

The problem isn't getting Griffey to pass through waivers, it's the players it will take to get him getting passed through waivers. You could put one of them as a PTBNL I suppose, but I think that Cincy would still have to choose the PTBNL before the end of the year, which would still subject that player to waivers.

[USSoccer]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

 

The problem isn't getting Griffey to pass through waivers, it's the players it will take to get him getting passed through waivers. You could put one of them as a PTBNL I suppose, but I think that Cincy would still have to choose the PTBNL before the end of the year, which would still subject that player to waivers.

 

But given how bad Cincinatti is, wouldn't the have one of the first cracks at the waiver claim? Thus, if we tried to slip a couple players through to them in exchange for Griffey, wouldn't they not have to go through all 30 teams but just through the DRays and Rockies before getting to the Reds?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

 

The problem isn't getting Griffey to pass through waivers, it's the players it will take to get him getting passed through waivers. You could put one of them as a PTBNL I suppose, but I think that Cincy would still have to choose the PTBNL before the end of the year, which would still subject that player to waivers.

 

But given how bad Cincinatti is, wouldn't the have one of the first cracks at the waiver claim? Thus, if we tried to slip a couple players through to them in exchange for Griffey, wouldn't they not have to go through all 30 teams but just through the DRays and Rockies before getting to the Reds?

 

I'm pretty sure in order for a trade to happen, the players have to clear all 30 teams, and not just the players in front of that team on the waiver priority list.

[CubfaninCA]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

 

The problem isn't getting Griffey to pass through waivers, it's the players it will take to get him getting passed through waivers. You could put one of them as a PTBNL I suppose, but I think that Cincy would still have to choose the PTBNL before the end of the year, which would still subject that player to waivers.

 

But given how bad Cincinatti is, wouldn't the have one of the first cracks at the waiver claim? Thus, if we tried to slip a couple players through to them in exchange for Griffey, wouldn't they not have to go through all 30 teams but just through the DRays and Rockies before getting to the Reds?

 

San Fran and Seattle have worse records than Cincy. Can't see them letting good prospects pass.

[USSoccer]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

 

The problem isn't getting Griffey to pass through waivers, it's the players it will take to get him getting passed through waivers. You could put one of them as a PTBNL I suppose, but I think that Cincy would still have to choose the PTBNL before the end of the year, which would still subject that player to waivers.

 

But given how bad Cincinatti is, wouldn't the have one of the first cracks at the waiver claim? Thus, if we tried to slip a couple players through to them in exchange for Griffey, wouldn't they not have to go through all 30 teams but just through the DRays and Rockies before getting to the Reds?

 

I'm pretty sure in order for a trade to happen, the players have to clear all 30 teams, and not just the players in front of that team on the waiver priority list.

 

So there's not way to manipulate it? As other have stated you could have Griffey clear waivers, we could claim him, and then we could try and force a couple guys through, independently of a trade, just through the waiver process, so that all they'd have to do was get past the 2 or 3 teams behind the Reds, and then they could claim them?

 

Does that make any sense?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

 

The problem isn't getting Griffey to pass through waivers, it's the players it will take to get him getting passed through waivers. You could put one of them as a PTBNL I suppose, but I think that Cincy would still have to choose the PTBNL before the end of the year, which would still subject that player to waivers.

 

But given how bad Cincinatti is, wouldn't the have one of the first cracks at the waiver claim? Thus, if we tried to slip a couple players through to them in exchange for Griffey, wouldn't they not have to go through all 30 teams but just through the DRays and Rockies before getting to the Reds?

 

I'm pretty sure in order for a trade to happen, the players have to clear all 30 teams, and not just the players in front of that team on the waiver priority list.

 

So there's not way to manipulate it? As other have stated you could have Griffey clear waivers, we could claim him, and then we could try and force a couple guys through, independently of a trade, just through the waiver process, so that all they'd have to do was get past the 2 or 3 teams behind the Reds, and then they could claim them?

 

Does that make any sense?

 

I see what you're saying, but I don't know if it would work out.

[USSoccer]

But both the Yankees and the Cards would have LOWER priority to claim Junior. Junior already stated he won't go to NY, especially after the Yankees treated his father (don't know why people still think Junior will change his mind and go to the Yankees), so I SERIOUSLY doubt Junior would be willing to go to NY. He's already BLOCKED one trade to NY, My guess is...he would block a 2nd. And the Cardinals....I seriously DOUBT Junior makes it to St. Louis spot in the waiver wire.

 

That wouldn't matter, because as the rules state, the claiming team is responsible for the remainder of the player's contract (if not pulled back). Griffey's contract as is, is way too much for any team at this point in the season - including the Yankees (imho). That's why he'd likely clear waivers, paving the way for the Reds to negotiate to a team interested, and likewise a team Griffey would play for.

 

Just my :twocents:

 

The problem isn't getting Griffey to pass through waivers, it's the players it will take to get him getting passed through waivers. You could put one of them as a PTBNL I suppose, but I think that Cincy would still have to choose the PTBNL before the end of the year, which would still subject that player to waivers.

 

But given how bad Cincinatti is, wouldn't the have one of the first cracks at the waiver claim? Thus, if we tried to slip a couple players through to them in exchange for Griffey, wouldn't they not have to go through all 30 teams but just through the DRays and Rockies before getting to the Reds?

 

I'm pretty sure in order for a trade to happen, the players have to clear all 30 teams, and not just the players in front of that team on the waiver priority list.

 

So there's not way to manipulate it? As other have stated you could have Griffey clear waivers, we could claim him, and then we could try and force a couple guys through, independently of a trade, just through the waiver process, so that all they'd have to do was get past the 2 or 3 teams behind the Reds, and then they could claim them?

 

Does that make any sense?

 

I see what you're saying, but I don't know if it would work out.

 

Yeah, it probably wouldn't. I'm sure there are all sorts of rules that I'm not considering.

[reggiemiller rules]

Noone is gonna claim him off the waiver wire because they would have to pay out the rest of his contract. But if he does clear waivers, the reds could then trade him to a team and then could pay part of his remaing contract. That is much more likely then any team taking him and paying the rest of his contract. Plus if a team does claim him the Reds can pull him back off which is what they would do because they wont let him go without getting something in return.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think this does a better job of explaining the process...

 

"Waivers" section

 

The way I understand the rule is, if Griffey is put on waivers for the purpose of a trade to the Cubs (for example), Cincy can withdraw the request if another team claims him. The Cubs would then place agreed upon players on waivers for Cincy to claim, and if someone else claimed them, the Cubs could withdraw waivers and try different prospects. The trick is, I believe all of this has to happen within 3 days.

 

As far as money goes, I am pretty sure Cincy would not be able to absorb any of the money as the contract is assigned to the team that claims him, assuming Cincy does not withdraw the waiver. That's exactly why Manny didn't go anywhere when Boston placed him on waivers, and I am guessing that will prevent Griffey from going anywhere either.

[Guest]

As far as money goes, I am pretty sure Cincy would not be able to absorb any of the money as the contract is assigned to the team that claims him, assuming Cincy does not withdraw the waiver.

It depends. If a team claims Griffey and the Reds don't withdraw the request, then the claiming team will take on full responsibility forthe remainder of his contract. That wouldn't be a waiver-wire trade, though; A waiver trade happens when a player clears waivers or a deal is worked out with the team with the highest-priority claim. When that happens the trading team can negotiate whatever deal they'd like for him, including salary relief.

 

I have a hard time believing that the Reds will just let Griffey go if a team claims him. Yes, I'm sure they wouldn't mind freeing up the $45 million plus he's slated to earn through the rest of his contract, but he is still a very valuable player when healthy. In a trade he'd be worth at least a couple good/decent prospects, so O'Brien would be foolish to let him go for nothing. Looking at the other side of the coin, any team that inherited Griffey wouldn't be completely buggered. When healthy, Griffey provides pretty good value for his $12.5M a year. Given Junior's history that's a pretty big gamble, but one that might be worth it to a team with some room in their budget and few tradeable commodities...

[mhuber92211]

errr...if the prospects are not currently on the 40 man roster, they don't have to be subjected to waivers. Didn't I just read that> Or did i miscomprhend that in my 2 hours of sleep in 48 hours doldrums.

[8-8-88]

I think that there is a better chance that the Cubs are one of the teams that fade in the next few weeks. But I sure hope not.