What is Pie all about? (ESPN.com Rogers Article)

[UMFan83]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2107335

 

Pretty good article. I figured its worth posting for those who don't visit ESPN.com regularly. I still think its a terrible idea to bring him up this season, although the comparisons to Patterson are not fair to the kid.

 

Dickerson says Pie is a team leader.

 

"Everybody who plays the game wants to win, but he thrives on it," Dickerson said. "A lot of players go 0-for-4, their team wins and there's not really any jubilation. He's the type of guy that he goes 0-for-4, the team wins and he's happy. I remember one time this year we had won six in a row. He's walking off the field going, 'My team! My team! My team is great!' He just enjoys being part of something special, and it [becomes contagious] around him."

[Ding Dong Johnson]

although the comparisons to Patterson are not fair to the kid.

 

Hey, I just said that...

http://northsidebaseball.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=23031

[abuck1220]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2107335

 

although the comparisons to Patterson are not fair to the kid.

 

 

why? they're both young, toolsy, raw cf'ers who lack plate discipline and will both be rushed to the majors and yanked around in the batting order. it's actually a pretty good comparison, and you'd think the cubs would have learned from the mistakes they made w/ patterson.

[abuck1220]

criticize corey for things like plate discipline, mental lapses, etc, but this crap is getting tired.

 

Dickerson called Pie an "unselfish, talented player." Patterson is gifted with all the talent in the world but has never accepted being one of the guys.

 

just because corey is quiet, people assume he hates his teammates, fans and coaches. have you ever heard a teammate say anything bad about corey?

[Tedward]

BA has Felix rated as the 17th best prospect in baseball in a mid season review ....He's the only Cub to make the Top 25.

[TruffleShuffle]

That article had the air of "throwing dirt on the grave", or kicking Corey while he's down. Despite his terribly disappointing season, I don't think you need to totally give up on him at this point, nor do I think it's an appropriate time to start ripping everything about him.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

That article had the air of "throwing dirt on the grave", or kicking Corey while he's down. Despite his terribly disappointing season, I don't think you need to totally give up on him at this point, nor do I think it's an appropriate time to start ripping everything about him.

 

Shocking that Phil Rogers would do that.

 

And I'm with you, abuck.

[oldcubsfan]

That article had the air of "throwing dirt on the grave", or kicking Corey while he's down. Despite his terribly disappointing season, I don't think you need to totally give up on him at this point, nor do I think it's an appropriate time to start ripping everything about him.

 

Shocking that Phil Rogers would do that.

 

And I'm with you, abuck.

Only a fool like Rogers would give up on a 25 year old kid. He has produced in the majors, before this year's disaster. Rogers is one of the most over rated writers around.

[illiniguy]

That article had the air of "throwing dirt on the grave", or kicking Corey while he's down. Despite his terribly disappointing season, I don't think you need to totally give up on him at this point, nor do I think it's an appropriate time to start ripping everything about him.

 

Shocking that Phil Rogers would do that.

 

And I'm with you, abuck.

Only a fool like Rogers would give up on a 25 year old kid. He has produced in the majors, before this year's disaster. Rogers is one of the most over rated writers around.

I hope the kid gets it turned around and soon. the few times I have talked with Corey when he was on his way up the first time at minor league games he was nothing but a cool guy. Even if Corey goes somewhere else to become a great player I will still cheer for him.

[bmkhawk]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2107335

 

although the comparisons to Patterson are not fair to the kid.

 

 

why? they're both young, toolsy, raw cf'ers who lack plate discipline and will both be rushed to the majors and yanked around in the batting order. it's actually a pretty good comparison, and you'd think the cubs would have learned from the mistakes they made w/ patterson.

 

What mistakes? Pie has played almost a whole year at each level up through AA so far...and succeeded at each level. Comparing his rise through the minors and Pattersons is not really accurate at all. The Cubs could bring up Pie to end this season and I wouldn't feel like he was being rushed at all. Patterson was brought up after only having real good success at low A and skipping levels. Way different.

[Balsa]

I liked the stuff about Pie, but there were some awfully low blows to Patterson in there.

 

Patterson had never given anything but he's best, and I think Rogers is really being unfair here.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2107335

 

although the comparisons to Patterson are not fair to the kid.

 

 

why? they're both young, toolsy, raw cf'ers who lack plate discipline and will both be rushed to the majors and yanked around in the batting order. it's actually a pretty good comparison, and you'd think the cubs would have learned from the mistakes they made w/ patterson.

 

What mistakes? Pie has played almost a whole year at each level up through AA so far...and succeeded at each level. Comparing his rise through the minors and Pattersons is not really accurate at all. The Cubs could bring up Pie to end this season and I wouldn't feel like he was being rushed at all. Patterson was brought up after only having real good success at low A and skipping levels. Way different.

He was saying that if he got brought up this year he would be rushed. I think this is true since he is not ready for the majors yet. There are still some things that he needs to work on, with a staff that will actually help him, before he should enter the show.

[TB_11]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2107335

 

although the comparisons to Patterson are not fair to the kid.

 

 

why? they're both young, toolsy, raw cf'ers who lack plate discipline and will both be rushed to the majors and yanked around in the batting order. it's actually a pretty good comparison, and you'd think the cubs would have learned from the mistakes they made w/ patterson.

 

What mistakes? Pie has played almost a whole year at each level up through AA so far...and succeeded at each level. Comparing his rise through the minors and Pattersons is not really accurate at all. The Cubs could bring up Pie to end this season and I wouldn't feel like he was being rushed at all. Patterson was brought up after only having real good success at low A and skipping levels. Way different.

 

He's 20 years old, and many scouting reports call his skills 'raw.' People will say that Andruw Jones and Ken Griffey Jr and Miguel Cabrera made it up to the big leagues at an equally young age, but that doesn't mean that Pie is ready. I don't see any reason why he should be in the majors this year that would be beneficial to his development.

 

Additionally, for every Phil Rogers or any other article that comes out about Pie, my fear is that our expectations of Pie become heightened. Again, he's 20. Let's give Pie a chance to develop, a chance to polish his skills.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=rogers_phil&id=2107335

 

although the comparisons to Patterson are not fair to the kid.

 

 

why? they're both young, toolsy, raw cf'ers who lack plate discipline and will both be rushed to the majors and yanked around in the batting order. it's actually a pretty good comparison, and you'd think the cubs would have learned from the mistakes they made w/ patterson.

 

What mistakes? Pie has played almost a whole year at each level up through AA so far...and succeeded at each level. Comparing his rise through the minors and Pattersons is not really accurate at all. The Cubs could bring up Pie to end this season and I wouldn't feel like he was being rushed at all. Patterson was brought up after only having real good success at low A and skipping levels. Way different.

Also, to paraphrase Von Joshua, if you bring him up now he will have a good career. If you let him develop and polish his skills he will be a great player. He still has things to work on so there is no reason to rush him and potentially hurt his development.

[Stomper90]

Injury update anyone?

 

I thought after the Allstar break?

[ZZ Thorn]

Hendry said he likely won't be up until Sept. callups.

 

One thing to keep in mind is that a player's development is never done - if baseball is a game of one thing is a game of adjustments. I agree Pie would be better served to spend some more time in the minors, since there's no huge need for him and since he's particularly inexperienced, but if he can't make adjustments he won't last anyway.

 

CP may have been rushed, but he never made adjustments well, and if he can't make them now in AAA he'll never amount to anything. I think Pie, probably due to his inexperience, is more adaptable than CP.

[back2backjax]

any news on felix?

[back2backjax]

is he off the DL yet?

 

patterson's biggest problem is his lack of maturity and grasp of the team first concept. everytime he talked of being a #3 hitter i laughed. look around the majors and tell me how many 5'10, 185lb #3 hitters there are. that big long home run swing of his has gotten him nowhere. if he'd study juan pierre and ichiro and try his best to mimick their approach, he could be one hell of a player someday because he's better defensively than pierre.

 

one of two things will happen from here. he'll either realize that doing it his way has not worked and try to change or he'll harbor resentment toward dusty/hendry for sending him down do his best to show them how many homers he can hit. let's hope for the cubs sake it's the former.

[Chris]

First, welcome to the Forum!

 

In regards to his return there is no real timetable on his return.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

is he off the DL yet?

 

No.

 

patterson's biggest problem is his lack of maturity and grasp of the team first concept. everytime he talked of being a #3 hitter i laughed. look around the majors and tell me how many 5'10, 185lb #3 hitters there are.

 

Actually, Corey was asked where he wanted to hit, what his goal was. I'm glad Corey didn't want to always be a #7 hitter. I don't see why his size matters in being a #3 hitter, Corey is extremely strong.

 

that big long home run swing of his has gotten him nowhere. if he'd study juan pierre and ichiro and try his best to mimick their approach, he could be one hell of a player someday because he's better defensively than pierre.

 

He's also much stronger than Pierre and Ichiro. He's always been a power hitter, just because he's 5'7 and 175 lbs doesn't mean he shouldn't be. This year's awful results are partly due to a shorter, slappier swing that the Cubs have instilled in Corey since they want him to leadoff.