Mark Cuban, Cubs Owner?!?

[Chocolate Milk]

Again, how close have his teams been to winning the NBA title? I'm more interested in a NL pennant and World Series title. But maybe some are more interested in seeing the owner's face than the end results.

 

This is unwarrented critisicm. He has owned the team for 5 years and you are saying that in order for him to be considered a good owner he must have won a championship in that time? That's absurd.

 

If you read my previous post, it's not a World Championship, but at least make it to the Western Conference Finals - they may have done that once. But my point is what could he do that the Trib hasn't done in the past five years? And I'm an NBA fan, and it's my opinion that the Cubs are closer to a World Championship right now than the Mavericks.

 

I would disagree. The Cubs are going to have to get extremely lucky to even make the playoffs while the Mavericks consistantly get to the second round or further. I'm a basketball fan as well, and I think that a lot of this criticism of Cuban is based on his Reality show, his jumping on the floor, etc. You really can''t dispute his success as an owner.

 

That being said, I really don't think he would be the missing link, I just think that he doesn't diserve to be trashed like he is being here.

 

Over half the NBA makes the playoffs. 8 teams make the MLB playoffs. Not a fair comparison. And the Mavs don't get further than the 2nd round. They have never made the West finals. They don't even compare to the Spurs and Suns, and the same was true for the Lakers and TWolves in recent history. They are the Minnesota Twins or Oakland As of the NBA. Yeah, they make the playoffs, but they are a huge step behind the real contenders.

 

I would agree if you weren't completely wrong.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

Again, how close have his teams been to winning the NBA title? I'm more interested in a NL pennant and World Series title. But maybe some are more interested in seeing the owner's face than the end results.

 

This is unwarrented critisicm. He has owned the team for 5 years and you are saying that in order for him to be considered a good owner he must have won a championship in that time? That's absurd.

 

If you read my previous post, it's not a World Championship, but at least make it to the Western Conference Finals - they may have done that once. But my point is what could he do that the Trib hasn't done in the past five years? And I'm an NBA fan, and it's my opinion that the Cubs are closer to a World Championship right now than the Mavericks.

 

I would disagree. The Cubs are going to have to get extremely lucky to even make the playoffs while the Mavericks consistantly get to the second round or further. I'm a basketball fan as well, and I think that a lot of this criticism of Cuban is based on his Reality show, his jumping on the floor, etc. You really can''t dispute his success as an owner.

 

That being said, I really don't think he would be the missing link, I just think that he doesn't diserve to be trashed like he is being here.

 

Over half the NBA makes the playoffs. 8 teams make the MLB playoffs. Not a fair comparison. And the Mavs don't get further than the 2nd round. They have never made the West finals. They don't even compare to the Spurs and Suns, and the same was true for the Lakers and TWolves in recent history. They are the Minnesota Twins or Oakland As of the NBA. Yeah, they make the playoffs, but they are a huge step behind the real contenders.

 

But isn't that more due to the financial constraints put on both clubs?

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

 

Why do you guys say that? In basketball, your hands are tied even if you have money. See the Knicks- possibly one of the most hopeless teams in the NBA. The way to win in the NBA is way different than in baseball. The idea is to get premium players before you are at the cap, and when you get over the cap, you hope you have the framework for a championship.

 

What's the way to win in the ML? How do you explain the perrennial playoff teams (Min, Oak, LAA, Fla, and Atl)? Even the Cards and Giants have competed with less than top 10 payrolls.

 

There's a reason why so many mediocre players in hoops are making the max. It's a different game.

 

Do the names Mike Hampton, Denny Neagle, Preston Wilson, and Eric Milton ring a bell? There's just as many overpaid mediocrity in the MLB.

[Coach C]

Every time I think of Mark Cuban, I think of him as a Steinbrenner in the NBA.

[rawaction]

Again, how close have his teams been to winning the NBA title? I'm more interested in a NL pennant and World Series title. But maybe some are more interested in seeing the owner's face than the end results.

 

This is unwarrented critisicm. He has owned the team for 5 years and you are saying that in order for him to be considered a good owner he must have won a championship in that time? That's absurd.

 

If you read my previous post, it's not a World Championship, but at least make it to the Western Conference Finals - they may have done that once. But my point is what could he do that the Trib hasn't done in the past five years? And I'm an NBA fan, and it's my opinion that the Cubs are closer to a World Championship right now than the Mavericks.

 

I would disagree. The Cubs are going to have to get extremely lucky to even make the playoffs while the Mavericks consistantly get to the second round or further. I'm a basketball fan as well, and I think that a lot of this criticism of Cuban is based on his Reality show, his jumping on the floor, etc. You really can''t dispute his success as an owner.

 

That being said, I really don't think he would be the missing link, I just think that he doesn't diserve to be trashed like he is being here.

 

Over half the NBA makes the playoffs. 8 teams make the MLB playoffs. Not a fair comparison. And the Mavs don't get further than the 2nd round. They have never made the West finals. They don't even compare to the Spurs and Suns, and the same was true for the Lakers and TWolves in recent history. They are the Minnesota Twins or Oakland As of the NBA. Yeah, they make the playoffs, but they are a huge step behind the real contenders.

 

I would agree if you weren't completely wrong.

 

Alright you got me! Once in 5 years, when they had homecourt and got their monkey arses handed to them by the Spurs.

[dalgreen]

I would disagree. The Cubs are going to have to get extremely lucky to even make the playoffs while the Mavericks consistantly get to the second round or further. I'm a basketball fan as well, and I think that a lot of this criticism of Cuban is based on his Reality show, his jumping on the floor, etc. You really can''t dispute his success as an owner.

 

That being said, I really don't think he would be the missing link, I just think that he doesn't diserve to be trashed like he is being here.

 

Yeah, well the Mavs are lucky that 8 teams from each conference make the playoffs in the NBA, and not 8 teams in the NBA. I don't think you'd see an improvement with the Cubs with Cuban as an owner. I've never said he's a bad owner, I don't think he's a great owner, either. But he wouldn't be an upgrade from what we have now, and I don't understand why some think he would be the missing link.

[rawaction]

Again, how close have his teams been to winning the NBA title? I'm more interested in a NL pennant and World Series title. But maybe some are more interested in seeing the owner's face than the end results.

 

This is unwarrented critisicm. He has owned the team for 5 years and you are saying that in order for him to be considered a good owner he must have won a championship in that time? That's absurd.

 

If you read my previous post, it's not a World Championship, but at least make it to the Western Conference Finals - they may have done that once. But my point is what could he do that the Trib hasn't done in the past five years? And I'm an NBA fan, and it's my opinion that the Cubs are closer to a World Championship right now than the Mavericks.

 

I would disagree. The Cubs are going to have to get extremely lucky to even make the playoffs while the Mavericks consistantly get to the second round or further. I'm a basketball fan as well, and I think that a lot of this criticism of Cuban is based on his Reality show, his jumping on the floor, etc. You really can''t dispute his success as an owner.

 

That being said, I really don't think he would be the missing link, I just think that he doesn't diserve to be trashed like he is being here.

 

Over half the NBA makes the playoffs. 8 teams make the MLB playoffs. Not a fair comparison. And the Mavs don't get further than the 2nd round. They have never made the West finals. They don't even compare to the Spurs and Suns, and the same was true for the Lakers and TWolves in recent history. They are the Minnesota Twins or Oakland As of the NBA. Yeah, they make the playoffs, but they are a huge step behind the real contenders.

 

But isn't that more due to the financial constraints put on both clubs?

 

Maybe. But the Cubs don't have the financial constraints and could only pray for that type of success. What would Cuban do to change that? The Cubs already spend. They need to spend wiser. Obviously, Cuban doesn't do that as well as people think.....considering they've only gotten past the 2nd round once in his tenure.

[Chocolate Milk]

Alright you got me! Once in 5 years, when they had homecourt and got their monkey arses handed to them by the Spurs.

 

I win!!

 

Just kiddin...

 

Really, I don't think he's the missing link to the Cubs world series hopes. I just don't understand why everyone is trying to paint him as a joke and not a good owner. It's just not true. He has made some good deals and his team has had good success during his ownership. Personally, I don't hold not winning it all against him. He doesn't have much expierence (He also didn't have Duncan or Shaq, though he made a play for Shaq last year) and he's only owned the team for 5 years.

 

I suppose he's a more contraversial figure than I thought.

[DivineBovine]

 

Why do you guys say that? In basketball, your hands are tied even if you have money. See the Knicks- possibly one of the most hopeless teams in the NBA. The way to win in the NBA is way different than in baseball. The idea is to get premium players before you are at the cap, and when you get over the cap, you hope you have the framework for a championship.

 

What's the way to win in the ML? How do you explain the perrennial playoff teams (Min, Oak, LAA, Fla, and Atl)? Even the Cards and Giants have competed with less than top 10 payrolls.

 

There's a reason why so many mediocre players in hoops are making the max. It's a different game.

 

Do the names Mike Hampton, Denny Neagle, Preston Wilson, and Eric Milton ring a bell? There's just as many overpaid mediocrity in the MLB.

 

 

What about the Yankees? And Red Sox?

 

In baseball, the only perennial contender is the Yankees. There are a lot of teams that become good for a few years, but I would never categorize Min, Oak, Fla, LAA as "perenial contenders". The fact is that all those teams have to get lucky to some extent to contend. When all is said and done, the high market teams will have an advantage.

 

My main point is that the basketball comparisons are not fair. I wouldn't label him Steinbrenner based on his basketball team. Reinsdorf has had a ton of success as a basketball owner, but I wouldn't want him buying the Cubs.

[ZiggyTaxi]

It would be really funny if it was indeed true that Carol Slezak was one of the journalists that outed Bartman.

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

I don't think Cuban is the answer to the Cubs needs (smarter spending is), but I like the fire he'd bring with him. He's one owner who genuinely wants to win. He's not as concerned about profits as the Tribune company might be (just my opinion). But he's even said that he's a fan first, and that's how he runs his teams. Call me nuts, but I believe that's the way it should be done.

[Outshined_One]

People are calling him another George Steinbrenner...

 

I ask you all this. If he does buy the Cubs and he ends up being George Steinbrenner II, would that really be a bad thing? Really? How many rings do George's teams have again?

[daske17]

People are calling him another George Steinbrenner...

 

I ask you all this. If he does buy the Cubs and he ends up being George Steinbrenner II, would that really be a bad thing? Really? How many rings do George's teams have again?

 

To play devil's advocate, how many rings do the Yankees have since George began openly meddling with the team by advocating for veterans and trading away top prospects?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm torn as to whether Cuban as owner is a good or bad thing. But if we did have Cuban, I don't think we would ever have to wonder if the Cubs would pony up the money for a premier free agent. They would.

[rocket]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

[Coach C]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure... anyone who goes out and sign a Jose Macias, that's a problem, at least in my book.

 

I'm just suprised that the ownership didn't do anything about the fact that Neifi just plainly sucks, and try to force the manager to play the young players.

 

Oh well. *shrug*

[CubinNY]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure... anyone who goes out and sign a Jose Macias, that's a problem, at least in my book.

 

I'm just suprised that the ownership didn't do anything about the fact that Neifi just plainly sucks, and try to force the manager to play the young players.

 

Oh well. *shrug*

 

That is not ownership's problem, that is management's problem. There is a difference.

 

Aslo, I would expect that ownership will be making some changes in management should the Cubs continue to be mired in mediocrity, given the money they have afforded management. At least I hope they will.

Edited July 15, 2005 by CubinNY

[rocket]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure... anyone who goes out and sign a Jose Macias, that's a problem, at least in my book.

 

I'm just suprised that the ownership didn't do anything about the fact that Neifi just plainly sucks, and try to force the manager to play the young players.

 

Oh well. *shrug*

 

Jim Hendry isn't the owner of the Cubs.

[Coach C]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

Eh, I'm not so sure... anyone who goes out and sign a Jose Macias, that's a problem, at least in my book.

 

I'm just suprised that the ownership didn't do anything about the fact that Neifi just plainly sucks, and try to force the manager to play the young players.

 

Oh well. *shrug*

 

Jim Hendry isn't the owner of the Cubs.

 

Ah, I guess I was thinking differently than the rest of ya'll. My bad.

 

Carry on.

[badger1679666666]

The management that the ownership has put in place.

 

You just want to keep going around in circles? You really think Cuban is the answer to Cubs fans prayers? This fascination with activist ownership is a complete joke. The Yankees of the 90's are the exception to the rule. George ran that team into the ground for 2 decades before his never ending spending finally started to pay off. Activist owners ruin franchises.

 

You know I'll take 2 decades of being run into the ground if it gets me a couple world series. Ive had 10 of doing absolutely crap. You act like World Series rings have been raining down on the north side and you're too good for Cuban.

 

I'll run around in a microminiskirt for a year if it gets me a WS title, I'm not picky about how it's done.

[rocket]

 

Ah, I guess I was thinking differently than the rest of ya'll. My bad.

 

Carry on.

 

Well, I do see your point. But I think the responsibility of ownership is basically to provide a nice payroll, and to hire someone competent to run the baseball team.

 

Now, I can't and won't defend those signings. But I think most people would say that, overall, Hendry has done a good job running the Cubs. Others think that he hasn't, and they certainly can bring up valid points to back it up. But they have a guy, who in most baseball circles, would be considered successful.

 

So to me, that shows that the ownership isn't a problem for this team. I think they've held up their end of the deal.

[David]

My dream scenario... Cuban buys the team and hires Billy Beane as GM. With Theo Epstein (despite all the naysayers who have ridiculed him at times) we've all seen what an intelligent, numbers-savvy GM can do with a really high payroll.

 

And we really don't need that many pieces to be a dominant team. We've got a good foundation, IMHO.

[badger1679666666]

Every time I think of Mark Cuban, I think of him as a Steinbrenner in the NBA.

 

Great. The yankees are contenders EVERY YEAR. THat would suck horribly if the Cubs were contenders every year.

[Knightlife_in_Lubbock]

The management that the ownership has put in place.

 

You just want to keep going around in circles? You really think Cuban is the answer to Cubs fans prayers? This fascination with activist ownership is a complete joke. The Yankees of the 90's are the exception to the rule. George ran that team into the ground for 2 decades before his never ending spending finally started to pay off. Activist owners ruin franchises.

 

You know I'll take 2 decades of being run into the ground if it gets me a couple world series. Ive had 10 of doing absolutely crap. You act like World Series rings have been raining down on the north side and you're too good for Cuban.

 

I'll run around in a microminiskirt for a year if it gets me a WS title, I'm not picky about how it's done.

 

Come on it's lunchtime. Is that really necessary?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

The Cubs have one of the top, if not the top, payrolls in the National League.

 

We have a lot of problems...ownership isn't one of them.

 

I agree that ownership isn't one of our major problems. On the other hand, Cuban likely would be more willing than the Trib to provide extra cash above the budget to go out and sign an impact player for example Beltran in this year's FA group.