Complaints unfounded?

[indifferent]

Looks like Carp is the only NL pitcher to not give up a run yet. We haven't seen Clemens and Willis yet, but pathetic showing by Oswalt and Hernandez, and Smoltz broke the dam.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm not sure there unfounded. Why did the next two best pitchers get saved for mop up duty?

[TruffleShuffle]

Yes, his one scoreless inning does in fact prove that he deserved to start the game over two other guys with superior stats put up over half a major league season. Our apologies for questioning the decision.

[imb]

oh no clemens throws a perfect inning, I guess we were right.

[1wizard]

oh no clemens throws a perfect inning, I guess we were right.

 

 

How did Dontrell do?

 

I guess you were wrong too! :wink:

[imb]

i didnt say anything about dontrelle.

 

actually, i didnt say anything about anyone because i dont care who starts this game.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Just because Carpenter threw one scoreless inning, nothing is proven. Clemens also threw a scoreless inning. :roll:

[vaball]

Clemens did deserve to start over Carpenter. Willis did not. As I thought would likely happen, Willis pitched badly.

 

Not like it matters who started this game anyway.

[indifferent]

I think this is more about Cubs fans' psyches than anything. If one admits that the Cards have comparable starting pitching, then the whole argument of our pitching trumps yours, your pitchers have ridiculous run support, is out the window.

 

The pitching selection was made; I don't think anyone even quarreled with the actual selection of deserving candidates. The order of the starting pitching was questioned. Carp didn't put this team in a hole.

 

If you don't like the pitching of those chosen by LaRussa afterwards, that's a Tony beef.

[Kay]

None of the pitchers on the NL did all that great other than Roger..

 

What was up with that? O_o

 

I didn't care too much who started, but it was a little predictable since the lineup already pretty much consisted of CardnalCardnalCardnalCardnalCardnal..

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Neyer in this chat, agrees that Carp shouldn't have been the starter.

 

Clemens has been the best pitcher on this earthly sphere, by far. It's a joke that he's not starting. Well, him or Willis, who's also pitched somewhat better than Carpenter. La Russa deserves to lose this game, and then the World Series in Game 7 at Fenway.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Not like it matters who started this game anyway.

Oh yes it does because THIS ONE COUNTS!!!!!!! :roll:

[genghiskhan]

Neyer in this chat, agrees that Carp shouldn't have been the starter.

 

Clemens has been the best pitcher on this earthly sphere, by far. It's a joke that he's not starting. Well, him or Willis, who's also pitched somewhat better than Carpenter. La Russa deserves to lose this game, and then the World Series in Game 7 at Fenway.

 

Not Rob Neyer's most acute analysis, by far. Carpenter and Clemens both pitched and both managed scoreless innings, which is a lot better than most of the other starting pitchers managed, including Mr. Dontrelle "I am not really this good and will come back to earth" Willis. Perhaps Rob is just bitter that the Athletics aren't very good.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Neyer in this chat, agrees that Carp shouldn't have been the starter.

 

Clemens has been the best pitcher on this earthly sphere, by far. It's a joke that he's not starting. Well, him or Willis, who's also pitched somewhat better than Carpenter. La Russa deserves to lose this game, and then the World Series in Game 7 at Fenway.

 

Not Rob Neyer's most acute analysis, by far. Carpenter and Clemens both pitched and both managed scoreless innings, which is a lot better than most of the other starting pitchers managed, including Mr. Dontrelle "I am not really this good and will come back to earth" Willis. Perhaps Rob is just bitter that the Athletics aren't very good.

 

Actually Neyer is a life-long Royals fan.

[genghiskhan]

Yeah, I know, which probably makes him even MORE bitter. But he used to talk up the A's an awful lot when they were winning and all the "Moneyball" hosannas were pouring in for Beane and the statheads.

 

I still think Carpenter was a perfectly logical choice, given the Clemens/Piazza feud and Piazza's inability to throw out a baserunner.

[reggiemiller rules]

Clemens is clearly the better choice over Carpenter, but Willis has almost the exact same number as Carpenter, but on big exception. He got lit up a few times over the past few weeks, where Carpenter has been lights out over the past month and a half. So Clemens is the obvous choice, but i dont see you people can blame him for picking carp over Dontrelle.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I still think Carpenter was a perfectly logical choice, given the Clemens/Piazza feud and Piazza's inability to throw out a baserunner.

That might have made some sense if Clemens didn't start last year with Piazza catching. Why does that second comment make any difference?

[genghiskhan]

I still think Carpenter was a perfectly logical choice, given the Clemens/Piazza feud and Piazza's inability to throw out a baserunner.

That might have made some sense if Clemens didn't start last year with Piazza catching. Why does that second comment make any difference?

 

Tony LaRussa wasn't managing the team last year. And the second comment, about Piazza's poor catching skills, has to do with Carpenter and his superior ability to hold runners on--only 1 SB allowed as a Cardinal.

 

But, again, it really doesn't make much difference. Given that Carpenter and Clemens were both going to pitch, what does it matter when? That's why Rob Neyer's comment is so remarkably stupid.

[Mark_R]

Hahha, could you imagine Greg Maddux pitching to Piazza? Aramis Ramirez would be gettin the green light all day long.

[vaball]

Well if Rob Neyer thinks so, then it must be true. (Insert appeal to authority falacy.)

 

Obviously Clemens has better numbers, but the game showed that it would have made no friggin' difference who started. Carpenter and Clemens were the only NL starters who didn't give up any runs anyway. It wouldn't have made a difference if Willis started either, only that the AL would have gotten the lead an inning sooner.

 

Though it would have been nice if he hadn't given up that two run bomb to Teixera cause the NL eventually got 5 runs and maybe could have taken it to extra innings if Dontrelle hadn't of pitched so badly.

[Catman61]

I still think Carpenter was a perfectly logical choice, given the Clemens/Piazza feud and Piazza's inability to throw out a baserunner.

That might have made some sense if Clemens didn't start last year with Piazza catching. Why does that second comment make any difference?

 

Ummm, didn't the Clemens-Piazza battery give up 6 runs in the first inning last year?

[TruffleShuffle]

I still think Carpenter was a perfectly logical choice, given the Clemens/Piazza feud and Piazza's inability to throw out a baserunner.

That might have made some sense if Clemens didn't start last year with Piazza catching. Why does that second comment make any difference?

 

Ummm, didn't the Clemens-Piazza battery give up 6 runs in the first inning last year?

 

Yes, so obviously Clemens pitching to Piazza this year would have resulted in more runs scored by the AL.

[gus_dog]

I think this is more about Cubs fans' psyches than anything. If one admits that the Cards have comparable starting pitching, then the whole argument of our pitching trumps yours, your pitchers have ridiculous run support, is out the window.

 

The pitching selection was made; I don't think anyone even quarreled with the actual selection of deserving candidates. The order of the starting pitching was questioned. Carp didn't put this team in a hole.

 

If you don't like the pitching of those chosen by LaRussa afterwards, that's a Tony beef.

 

Puhleeeze.....save us the psycho-pop analysis.

 

I will not admit that the Cardinas have comparable starting pitching.

 

The Cardinal starters have been better, and it's not even close.

 

The argument is that LaRussa was starting 'his guy' even though there was someone else more deserving.

 

That's it.

[dalgreen]

It's an exhibition game!

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It's an exhibition game!

 

But this time it counts!