Derrek Lee triple-crown talks back on!!

[Soul]

first time post

 

He will definitely be close. His RBI pace is definitely going to heat up with Hairston and Walker now hitting in front of him. Plus, he was probably playing hurt for a lil bit, but will bounce back with the rest and the days off for the all-star break.

I agree. he will see his RBI numbers increase as Dusty finally realized guys with OBPs lower than their weight should not bat in the top 2 spots in the order.

 

PS- Welcome to the forum!

 

I have learned not to assume Dusty "realizes" anything :)

 

More likely, he simply stumbled across an effective combination for the time being and will switch away from it without batting an eyelash

[10man]

With the kind of year Derrek is having, I'm glad that he is signed for next year at a modest $8M. I would hate to be Hendry if Lee was becoming a FA after a year like this. On another note, Lee has pretty much silenced all the talk about who won out in the Hee Siop Choi trade. I'm sure Jim had high hopes for Derrek but even he had no idea that Lee was capable of such a monster season.

[sonofsamiam]

I didnt have the pleasure of watching the Cubs sweep the Marlins today, but I did read the recap on MLB.com and it said DLEE has passed Sosa in most total bases (225) and most extra base hits (54) in the first half of a season. I hope I never have to bite my tongue on this but this guy could be our franchise player. Believe it or not St. Louis fans and sports commentators are giving DLEE mad props. What am I talking about, how could you not?????

 

that's why its amazing to me that phil rogers still picks Albert as the 1st half MVP. He is unreal.

 

My favorite part of that is when Phil says that Pujols edges out Lee in runs created. I think "wait, that doesn't sound right." Then in the next sentence, I found out that he was referring to the made-up-by-Phil-Rogers version of runs created. Does he not know that its a real stat? And one in which Derrek leads by a pretty good margin? And that that stat actually means something, while his means close to nothing?

:shock:

 

can somebody please take him to the woodshed? (i dont mean really beat him, only in word). somebody right a rebuttle to be posted... Bruce Miles, where are you? You don't have to actually mention Rogers, but a piece on DLee leading in Runs Created would be great...

 

Unbelievably moronic, but I've come to expect this from Rogers. The guy has absolutely no clue at all, and he's a sputtering mess while trying to talk baseball on the radio.

 

Of course, he fits right in writing for both the Tribune and ESPN, who have unbelievable horrible rosters of "talent" considering their high profile.

 

In fact, outside of K.C. Johnson, I can't think of a single Trib writer worth his salt. That's just sad.

[sonofsamiam]

can somebody please take him to the woodshed? (i dont mean really beat him, only in word).

 

I'm thinking of sending this to Phil via e-mail:

 

Phil,

I was reading your hopelessly flawed argument about Pujols deserving the MVP over Lee, and I was stunned to see that you mentioned Pujols had more "Runs Created" than Lee did. Then I realized you made up your own "Runs Created", which is essentially completely opposite the real "Runs Created", which Bill James (who I'm sure you revile) put together a couple decades ago.

Runs Created measures offensive prowess based on an individual's total contributions. Adding Runs and RBIs (and subtracting homers, whatever) only shows a player's contribution based on the team around him. Is it really Lee's fault that he had to bat behind Patterson and Perez for a month, when neither could get on base to be driven in if their lives depended on it?

Just for fun, here's the actual Runs Created leaders in the NL currently:

1. Lee 95.1
2. Pujols 81.1
3. Abreu 77.6
4. Cabrera 68.5
5. Bay 67.7

And here's a link, in case you don't believe it: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?split=0&league=nl&season=2005&seasonType=2&sort=runsCreated&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all

As you can see, it's not even close. And if you want to talk about team performance, what of the fact that Pujols is surrounded by All-Stars? I think it can be very reasonably asserted that the Cardinals would still be in first place without him. However, without Lee, the Cubs would not even be sniffing the Wild Card -- they'd probably be just behind the Pirates, and looking to sell.

Regardless of the argument, I would like to HIGHLY suggest you not use the term Runs Created anymore. That's not the name of the stat you showed, and it's beyond misleading to call it that.

 

On point? I'm sure he'll just delete it (if he knows how), but it'll at least make me feel a little better.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

can somebody please take him to the woodshed? (i dont mean really beat him, only in word).

 

I'm thinking of sending this to Phil via e-mail:

 

Phil,

I was reading your hopelessly flawed argument about Pujols deserving the MVP over Lee, and I was stunned to see that you mentioned Pujols had more "Runs Created" than Lee did. Then I realized you made up your own "Runs Created", which is essentially completely opposite the real "Runs Created", which Bill James (who I'm sure you revile) put together a couple decades ago.

Runs Created measures offensive prowess based on an individual's total contributions. Adding Runs and RBIs (and subtracting homers, whatever) only shows a player's contribution based on the team around him. Is it really Lee's fault that he had to bat behind Patterson and Perez for a month, when neither could get on base to be driven in if their lives depended on it?

Just for fun, here's the actual Runs Created leaders in the NL currently:

1. Lee 95.1
2. Pujols 81.1
3. Abreu 77.6
4. Cabrera 68.5
5. Bay 67.7

And here's a link, in case you don't believe it: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?split=0&league=nl&season=2005&seasonType=2&sort=runsCreated&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all

As you can see, it's not even close. And if you want to talk about team performance, what of the fact that Pujols is surrounded by All-Stars? I think it can be very reasonably asserted that the Cardinals would still be in first place without him. However, without Lee, the Cubs would not even be sniffing the Wild Card -- they'd probably be just behind the Pirates, and looking to sell.

Regardless of the argument, I would like to HIGHLY suggest you not use the term Runs Created anymore. That's not the name of the stat you showed, and it's beyond misleading to call it that.

 

On point? I'm sure he'll just delete it (if he knows how), but it'll at least make me feel a little better.

 

I actually thought about going all out in an email, shredding the Pujols over Lee decision and the hypocrisy in the Clark over Dawson decision in addition to the RC bit, but I was too lazy and couldn't find his email address.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

can somebody please take him to the woodshed? (i dont mean really beat him, only in word).

 

I'm thinking of sending this to Phil via e-mail:

 

Phil,

I was reading your hopelessly flawed argument about Pujols deserving the MVP over Lee, and I was stunned to see that you mentioned Pujols had more "Runs Created" than Lee did. Then I realized you made up your own "Runs Created", which is essentially completely opposite the real "Runs Created", which Bill James (who I'm sure you revile) put together a couple decades ago.

Runs Created measures offensive prowess based on an individual's total contributions. Adding Runs and RBIs (and subtracting homers, whatever) only shows a player's contribution based on the team around him. Is it really Lee's fault that he had to bat behind Patterson and Perez for a month, when neither could get on base to be driven in if their lives depended on it?

Just for fun, here's the actual Runs Created leaders in the NL currently:

1. Lee 95.1
2. Pujols 81.1
3. Abreu 77.6
4. Cabrera 68.5
5. Bay 67.7

And here's a link, in case you don't believe it: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?split=0&league=nl&season=2005&seasonType=2&sort=runsCreated&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all

As you can see, it's not even close. And if you want to talk about team performance, what of the fact that Pujols is surrounded by All-Stars? I think it can be very reasonably asserted that the Cardinals would still be in first place without him. However, without Lee, the Cubs would not even be sniffing the Wild Card -- they'd probably be just behind the Pirates, and looking to sell.

Regardless of the argument, I would like to HIGHLY suggest you not use the term Runs Created anymore. That's not the name of the stat you showed, and it's beyond misleading to call it that.

 

On point? I'm sure he'll just delete it (if he knows how), but it'll at least make me feel a little better.

 

I like it. You should send it to him.

[Roast]

can somebody please take him to the woodshed? (i dont mean really beat him, only in word).

 

I'm thinking of sending this to Phil via e-mail:

 

Phil,

I was reading your hopelessly flawed argument about Pujols deserving the MVP over Lee, and I was stunned to see that you mentioned Pujols had more "Runs Created" than Lee did. Then I realized you made up your own "Runs Created", which is essentially completely opposite the real "Runs Created", which Bill James (who I'm sure you revile) put together a couple decades ago.

Runs Created measures offensive prowess based on an individual's total contributions. Adding Runs and RBIs (and subtracting homers, whatever) only shows a player's contribution based on the team around him. Is it really Lee's fault that he had to bat behind Patterson and Perez for a month, when neither could get on base to be driven in if their lives depended on it?

Just for fun, here's the actual Runs Created leaders in the NL currently:

1. Lee 95.1
2. Pujols 81.1
3. Abreu 77.6
4. Cabrera 68.5
5. Bay 67.7

And here's a link, in case you don't believe it: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?split=0&league=nl&season=2005&seasonType=2&sort=runsCreated&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all

As you can see, it's not even close. And if you want to talk about team performance, what of the fact that Pujols is surrounded by All-Stars? I think it can be very reasonably asserted that the Cardinals would still be in first place without him. However, without Lee, the Cubs would not even be sniffing the Wild Card -- they'd probably be just behind the Pirates, and looking to sell.

Regardless of the argument, I would like to HIGHLY suggest you not use the term Runs Created anymore. That's not the name of the stat you showed, and it's beyond misleading to call it that.

 

On point? I'm sure he'll just delete it (if he knows how), but it'll at least make me feel a little better.

 

I like it. You should send it to him.

 

Yes, Send it plz. That or write up somethign similar and try to get it posted as an editorial. Or something.

[JC]

 

I like it. You should send it to him.

 

Send it to his editor.

 

The Trib must pride itself on collecting really, really bad baseball people. It is laborous to watch Rogers on Comcast.

[hawkeyecub]

The Trib must pride itself on collecting really, really bad baseball people. It is laborous to watch Rogers on Comcast.

 

And somehow, he's not even the worst guest from the Trib on "Chicago Tribune Live."

 

They have some doozies.

[Catman61]

I didnt have the pleasure of watching the Cubs sweep the Marlins today, but I did read the recap on MLB.com and it said DLEE has passed Sosa in most total bases (225) and most extra base hits (54) in the first half of a season. I hope I never have to bite my tongue on this but this guy could be our franchise player. Believe it or not St. Louis fans and sports commentators are giving DLEE mad props. What am I talking about, how could you not?????

 

that's why its amazing to me that phil rogers still picks Albert as the 1st half MVP. He is unreal.

 

My favorite part of that is when Phil says that Pujols edges out Lee in runs created. I think "wait, that doesn't sound right." Then in the next sentence, I found out that he was referring to the made-up-by-Phil-Rogers version of runs created. Does he not know that its a real stat? And one in which Derrek leads by a pretty good margin? And that that stat actually means something, while his means close to nothing?

 

Thing is, MOST of the writers who will be voting on the MVP think the same way Rogers does (ie his version of runs created) and don't (or won't) get much farther in stats after avg/HR/RBI than OBP/SLG/OPS and sometimes not even that far.

[sonofsamiam]

can somebody please take him to the woodshed? (i dont mean really beat him, only in word).

 

I'm thinking of sending this to Phil via e-mail:

 

Phil,

I was reading your hopelessly flawed argument about Pujols deserving the MVP over Lee, and I was stunned to see that you mentioned Pujols had more "Runs Created" than Lee did. Then I realized you made up your own "Runs Created", which is essentially completely opposite the real "Runs Created", which Bill James (who I'm sure you revile) put together a couple decades ago.

Runs Created measures offensive prowess based on an individual's total contributions. Adding Runs and RBIs (and subtracting homers, whatever) only shows a player's contribution based on the team around him. Is it really Lee's fault that he had to bat behind Patterson and Perez for a month, when neither could get on base to be driven in if their lives depended on it?

Just for fun, here's the actual Runs Created leaders in the NL currently:

1. Lee 95.1
2. Pujols 81.1
3. Abreu 77.6
4. Cabrera 68.5
5. Bay 67.7

And here's a link, in case you don't believe it: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?split=0&league=nl&season=2005&seasonType=2&sort=runsCreated&type=sab&ageMin=17&ageMax=51&state=0&college=0&country=0&hand=a&pos=all

As you can see, it's not even close. And if you want to talk about team performance, what of the fact that Pujols is surrounded by All-Stars? I think it can be very reasonably asserted that the Cardinals would still be in first place without him. However, without Lee, the Cubs would not even be sniffing the Wild Card -- they'd probably be just behind the Pirates, and looking to sell.

Regardless of the argument, I would like to HIGHLY suggest you not use the term Runs Created anymore. That's not the name of the stat you showed, and it's beyond misleading to call it that.

 

On point? I'm sure he'll just delete it (if he knows how), but it'll at least make me feel a little better.

 

I like it. You should send it to him.

 

Yes, Send it plz. That or write up somethign similar and try to get it posted as an editorial. Or something.

 

Sent. Maybe I'll send a revised version to his editor, but I'm sure it'll result in squat. I mean, this is a paper that chooses to plaster Mike Downey on its front page.

[Warpticon]

Well, tonight Lee just tied Lee (heh) for the NL lead in RBI. If the season ended today, he would win the Triple Crown.

 

Oh, he also leads the NL in OBP, SLG, OPS, Hits, 2B, Total Bases, XBH, RC, IsoP, is 1 run behind Pujols in first, and ranks 15th in steals--as a first baseman.

[Jazz]

There should be no reason why Lee doesnt win the wildcard if he keeps up even a modest pace this year. Also a triple crown should automatically = an MVP in most cases, but to lead the league in almost every important offensive stat, all while being one of, if not the best fielding 1B in the league, as well as the most important Infielder, IMO, in the game

 

Also, with our wild card hopes gaining more life, i see no reason why they could throw the "non contending team" card out on the table

 

any idiot who would pick pujols over lee, if the season ended today, should be taken to the guillotine, if there are any left :)

[Chocolate Milk]

Well, tonight Lee just tied Lee (heh) for the NL lead in RBI. If the season ended today, he would win the Triple Crown.

 

Oh, he also leads the NL in OBP, SLG, OPS, Hits, 2B, Total Bases, XBH, RC, IsoP, is 1 run behind Pujols in first, and ranks 15th in steals--as a first baseman.

 

Completely absurd.

 

Edit: In a good way.

[JC]

Pujols is ominously lurking within striking distance in both RBI and homers. His +.330 average is worrisome as well.

 

Can't the Cardinals give us anything?!