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[Ding Dong Johnson]

Anyone else catch that earlier? He basically said he thinks Corey will be dealt as the Cubs are ready to turn the page. I don't have a direct quote from him, but that was the gist.

[vaball]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think a lot of that has to do with what Corey can do while in Iowa. If he can show signs that he is getting his swing back or show more patience, he will definitely net something of value in a trade. However, if he goes there and hits .250 with a K/BB ratio of 5:1, then he may never again crack a major league roster and would become basically useless.

[abuck1220]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

 

where have you been? that's the cubs' philosophy on trading their players. see farnsworth, sosa, cruz, hawkins, etc.

[Mark_R]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

 

where have you been? that's the cubs' philosophy on trading their players. see farnsworth, sosa, cruz, hawkins, etc.

 

Yeah, glad that Hawkins trade netted us a load of nothing.

[RynoRules]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

 

where have you been? that's the cubs' philosophy on trading their players. see farnsworth, sosa, cruz, hawkins, etc.

 

Yeah, glad that Hawkins trade netted us a load of nothing.

 

I assume that you are being sarcastic....?

[bmkhawk]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

 

where have you been? that's the cubs' philosophy on trading their players. see farnsworth, sosa, cruz, hawkins, etc.

 

Yeah, glad that Hawkins trade netted us a load of nothing.

 

I assume that you are being sarcastic....?

 

I think that is quite obvious.

 

I think the Farnsworth deal was pretty good so far for the Cubs as well.

[AAApittsburgh]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

 

where have you been? that's the cubs' philosophy on trading their players. see farnsworth, sosa, cruz, hawkins, etc.

 

Yeah, glad that Hawkins trade netted us a load of nothing.

 

I assume that you are being sarcastic....?

 

I think that is quite obvious.

 

I think the Farnsworth deal was pretty good so far for the Cubs as well.

Explain that one to me.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

 

where have you been? that's the cubs' philosophy on trading their players. see farnsworth, sosa, cruz, hawkins, etc.

 

Yeah, glad that Hawkins trade netted us a load of nothing.

 

While it was a good deal, it doesn't change the fact that Hawkins was dealt while he was at his lowest point in performance, and therefore, likely trade value.

[Knyption]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

[Banghart]

Explain that one to me.

Hopefully sarcasm as well because right now a 2.06 ERA and WHIP of 1.17 in our bullpen would look pretty good. A lot better than Bo Flowers and a resurgent Scott Moore in the low minors and an inconsistent Roberto Novoa.

 

-Banghart

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

 

Maybe someday he'll be as good as.....Farnsworth. Maybe.

[bmkhawk]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

 

Maybe someday he'll be as good as.....Farnsworth. Maybe.

 

Let's see how Farnsworth ends up the season. I think we all know he isn't much of a second-half player. That said, I'm still not sure he would be putting up these numbers in Chicago...the place just didn't seem to be a good fit for him.

[Productive Outs]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

 

Maybe someday he'll be as good as.....Farnsworth. Maybe.

 

Let's see how Farnsworth ends up the season. I think we all know he isn't much of a second-half player. That said, I'm still not sure he would be putting up these numbers in Chicago...the place just didn't seem to be a good fit for him.

 

He wasn't much of a second-half player in Chicago because Dusty used Farnsworth so much.

[USSoccer]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

 

Maybe someday he'll be as good as.....Farnsworth. Maybe.

 

Let's see how Farnsworth ends up the season. I think we all know he isn't much of a second-half player. That said, I'm still not sure he would be putting up these numbers in Chicago...the place just didn't seem to be a good fit for him.

 

As Tim rightly pointed out, Farnsworth was the best reliever on the team the past 2 years, until Dusty ran him ragged.

[bmkhawk]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

 

Maybe someday he'll be as good as.....Farnsworth. Maybe.

 

Let's see how Farnsworth ends up the season. I think we all know he isn't much of a second-half player. That said, I'm still not sure he would be putting up these numbers in Chicago...the place just didn't seem to be a good fit for him.

 

He wasn't much of a second-half player in Chicago because Dusty used Farnsworth so much.

 

I don't think you can say that with any level of certainty, especially considering that he pitched more innings in his best seasons (82 in 2001 and 78 in 2003) than he did in 2000, 2002 or 2004, when he struggled quite a bit.

[bmkhawk]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

 

Maybe someday he'll be as good as.....Farnsworth. Maybe.

 

Let's see how Farnsworth ends up the season. I think we all know he isn't much of a second-half player. That said, I'm still not sure he would be putting up these numbers in Chicago...the place just didn't seem to be a good fit for him.

 

As Tim rightly pointed out, Farnsworth was the best reliever on the team the past 2 years, until Dusty ran him ragged.

 

So, as Tim "rightly" pointed out, Dusty ran him ragged in 2003? Looks like it was the right move to me.

[USSoccer]

Scott Moore is tearing it up in the minors.

 

Novoa will be good with more experience. He has the stuff needs more control.

 

Maybe someday he'll be as good as.....Farnsworth. Maybe.

 

Let's see how Farnsworth ends up the season. I think we all know he isn't much of a second-half player. That said, I'm still not sure he would be putting up these numbers in Chicago...the place just didn't seem to be a good fit for him.

 

He wasn't much of a second-half player in Chicago because Dusty used Farnsworth so much.

 

I don't think you can say that with any level of certainty, especially considering that he pitched more innings in his best seasons (82 in 2001 and 78 in 2003) than he did in 2000, 2002 or 2004, when he struggled quite a bit.

 

It wasn't the amount of innings, but the way they were piled on each other in a short span of time.

[bmkhawk]

And none of this "piling" was done in 2001 and 2003?

[USSoccer]

And none of this "piling" was done in 2001 and 2003?

 

If I get the chance I'll try and find tim's chart on this. Basically he pulled all the game logs and found that Kyle would get used 6 out of 7 days in a row twice during June or July and would suck for a month after that.

[USSoccer]

here's Tim's overview of the trade, including info on Kyle's usage:

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Articles/ArticleText.php?ArticleID=80

[bmkhawk]

here's Tim's overview of the trade, including info on Kyle's usage:

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Articles/ArticleText.php?ArticleID=80

 

Thanks for taking the time to find that article.

 

That said, I don't see it as backing up your contentions in this thread.

[USSoccer]

here's Tim's overview of the trade, including info on Kyle's usage:

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Articles/ArticleText.php?ArticleID=80

 

Thanks for taking the time to find that article.

 

That said, I don't see it as backing up your contentions in this thread.

 

well, to be honest I'm trying to wade through about 137 threads to find Tim's post. It's not as easy as I thought it would be! :D

[USSoccer]

Tim Wrote Way Back In The Day:

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I'll say it again.

 

I'm confident Kyle has it figured out. I strongly believe that his issues are due more to overuse than anything else. If Dusty has more faith in the youngsters this year, if Remlinger stays healthy, if Dempster can hold down the closer role so that Hawkins is available earlier in the game, Farnsworth shouldn't have to be ridden like he was last season (or in 2002). He pitched in 16 of the 27 games in June. In late June, he pitched in 9 of 11 games then had to miss seven straight games. Then he pitched in 11 of the 19 games in July, including three games where he went more than an inning.

 

Then...

 

Surprise, in August, he runs out of steam, can't locate his fastball, relies too much on the slider as a result and gets hammered. His ERA going into the month was 3.18. His ERA at the end of the month was 4.97.

 

I don't believe his problem wasn't drunkenness, stupidity or anything of the sort (though I'm sure those things didn't help). His problem was that for large parts of the season, he was the only reliable reliever Dusty had in the pen other than Hawkins, who had moved to closer. I don't really blame Dusty that much for overusing him. The Cards went through their unbelieveable stretch during that timeframe and Dusty was leaning on his most reliable guys to try and keep pace. But I think it is clear that Kyle got fried from usage by August and looked like a disappointing headcase as a result when he wasn't.

 

Here's another one. I'm giving up on looking, though. You'll have to take my word on it!

[Illini Iceman]

He said that but at this point what could he possibly get for him? He has a lower trade value now than he ever has in his life.

 

where have you been? that's the cubs' philosophy on trading their players. see farnsworth, sosa, cruz, hawkins, etc.

 

People keep saying this but it make no sense to me as a criticism of Hendry.

 

Who sells players high? Teams that are not contenders and want to cash in guys that are doing well for younger players or multiple players that can help them be contenders in future years.

 

Contenders (which the Cubs were when all those players were traded) do not sell high because the players that are going well are going to help them win.

 

I think people would be upset if Hendry traded Lee, Dempster, ARam, Zambrano, Pie, Murton, etc now, but that would be who he could sell high.

 

Most of the trade talk around here I see centers around Corey, Wood, Maddux, etc that are struggling.

 

Selling high as a contender only seems like the right thing to do in hind sight when you know which players will wind up regressing.