7/5 Cubs (Maddux) @ Braves (Colon) 6:35 PM CSN

[XZero771679666304]

No, go ahead. I'm all ears.

 

You know, I don't think the problem is Dusty. I just don't. How many wins would another manager have with an outfield like the Cubs have? With a bullpen that had Hawkins as its closer? With a GM who thought Nomar was actually going to be a productive player for a full year? Dusty can only work with the hand he's been dealt. I'm not crazy about some of the moves he makes, but I don't put this all on Dusty. I put it on Hendry giving us a bloated, slow, strikeout-prone team that is brutal in clutch situations.

 

65% Dusty

 

35% Hendry

 

I won't even rehash the innumberable reasons why Dusty is more to blame than Hendry again in this thread.

 

Go back a few pages, it's all there. (or as much of it as I felt like typing out)

[J.R.]

497 days.

 

Oh my God.

[XZero771679666304]

497 days.

 

Oh my God.

 

?????

[Buford T Justice]

Gosh Chip is dreadful!!

[J.R.]

497 days.

 

Oh my God.

 

?????

 

Days until the noose that is Baker's contract expires.

[Chris]

Chip Caray is giving some quality commentary. He had might as well come out and say that he hates the Cubs.

[Kellehers homer]

You know what? Maybe we just disagree. The way I see it, it's not Baker's fault Hendry gave him an outfield with two octogenarian corners who do the 40 in about 8.4. It's not Baker's fault his closer at the beginning of the year was Hawkins. etc etc.

 

No, go ahead. I'm all ears.

 

You know, I don't think the problem is Dusty. I just don't. How many wins would another manager have with an outfield like the Cubs have? With a bullpen that had Hawkins as its closer? With a GM who thought Nomar was actually going to be a productive player for a full year? Dusty can only work with the hand he's been dealt. I'm not crazy about some of the moves he makes, but I don't put this all on Dusty. I put it on Hendry giving us a bloated, slow, strikeout-prone team that is brutal in clutch situations.

 

65% Dusty

 

35% Hendry

 

I won't even rehash the innumberable reasons why Dusty is more to blame than Hendry again in this thread.

 

Go back a few pages, it's all there. (or as much of it as I felt like typing out)

[Roast]

497 days.

 

Oh my God.

 

?????

 

Thats how many days till dusty's contract expires.

[J.R.]

Chip Caray is giving some quality commentary. He had might as well come out and say that he hates the Cubs.

 

Yeah, usually I won't listen to the road guys but I did so out of curiosity ... he's laying it on thick.

[Roast]

You know what? Maybe we just disagree. The way I see it, it's not Baker's fault Hendry gave him an outfield with two octogenarian corners who do the 40 in about 8.4. It's not Baker's fault his closer at the beginning of the year was Hawkins. etc etc.

 

No, go ahead. I'm all ears.

 

You know, I don't think the problem is Dusty. I just don't. How many wins would another manager have with an outfield like the Cubs have? With a bullpen that had Hawkins as its closer? With a GM who thought Nomar was actually going to be a productive player for a full year? Dusty can only work with the hand he's been dealt. I'm not crazy about some of the moves he makes, but I don't put this all on Dusty. I put it on Hendry giving us a bloated, slow, strikeout-prone team that is brutal in clutch situations.

 

65% Dusty

 

35% Hendry

 

I won't even rehash the innumberable reasons why Dusty is more to blame than Hendry again in this thread.

 

Go back a few pages, it's all there. (or as much of it as I felt like typing out)

 

and its not hendrys fault that he can bring up all the good young talent he wants (cedeno) but Baker wont play a darned one.

[Buford T Justice]

Chip just said "not to sound like a homer"..No chip I can't ever remember when you sounded like a homer, idiot!

[J.R.]

Chip just said "not to sound like a homer"..No chip I can't ever remember when you sounded like a homer, idiot!

 

Awesome av.

[Kellehers homer]

Ronny "The Savior" Cedeno? The guy who was hitting .279 in the minors? The guy who was caught stealing as many times as he was safe? The guy who had 74 strikeouts? Yes, how could Dusty overlook the next A-Rod like that?

 

 

You know what? Maybe we just disagree. The way I see it, it's not Baker's fault Hendry gave him an outfield with two octogenarian corners who do the 40 in about 8.4. It's not Baker's fault his closer at the beginning of the year was Hawkins. etc etc.

 

No, go ahead. I'm all ears.

 

You know, I don't think the problem is Dusty. I just don't. How many wins would another manager have with an outfield like the Cubs have? With a bullpen that had Hawkins as its closer? With a GM who thought Nomar was actually going to be a productive player for a full year? Dusty can only work with the hand he's been dealt. I'm not crazy about some of the moves he makes, but I don't put this all on Dusty. I put it on Hendry giving us a bloated, slow, strikeout-prone team that is brutal in clutch situations.

 

65% Dusty

 

35% Hendry

 

I won't even rehash the innumberable reasons why Dusty is more to blame than Hendry again in this thread.

 

Go back a few pages, it's all there. (or as much of it as I felt like typing out)

 

and its not hendrys fault that he can bring up all the good young talent he wants (cedeno) but Baker wont play a darned one.

[Buford T Justice]

Way to go Corey!!

[J.R.]

The site of the Cubs' greatest recent glory is now the crash site for Dusty's career.

 

Sad, seeing him there in the rain ... hopefully we can tank the week and get him out of here.

[Buford T Justice]

Dusty just sits there and acts like he doesn't care, Corey goes up there swings at the first and goes to the shower..Why do i waste my time with this team??

[XZero771679666304]

You know what? Maybe we just disagree. The way I see it, it's not Baker's fault Hendry gave him an outfield with two octogenarian corners who do the 40 in about 8.4. It's not Baker's fault his closer at the beginning of the year was Hawkins. etc etc.

 

 

 

I hate to nitpick, but Burnitz and Holla are speedburners compared to what was out there last year. RF is not our problem this year, As Burnitz is outproducing a benched Sosa. LF on the other hand, you have a point about.

 

The point about Hawkins was that Hendry an numerous others said Dempster shoud be the closer in ST, and Dusty did his thing anyway, even though it had failed before. And look, Dempster is a good closer! How many games did Having Hawk as the closer, Rusch in the pen and Ryan in the rotation cost us? That's squarely on Dusty.

 

How many games did having the sub-.300 OBP duo Patterson and Perez at the top of the lineup and keeping the bases clear for a red hot Derrek while OBP machines Walker and Hairston were wasted cost us? That squarely on Dusty.

 

As is Fox's injury. And a smoking hot Cedeno riding the bench in favor of pitiful Perez, because Dusty says Neifi's "his" SS? Dusty's fault. All the mismanaged PH situations, botched bullpen moves, micromanaging......

 

I just fail to see how anyone can see anyone other than Dusty as the primary wrench in the works.

[Chris]

Chip Caray is giving some quality commentary. He had might as well come out and say that he hates the Cubs.

 

Yeah, usually I won't listen to the road guys but I did so out of curiosity ... he's laying it on thick.

 

ha ha, I loved how he was able to get the topic about "Managers that know how to use a bullpen", along with how bad Corey is, despite 5-6 years of experience.

[UMFan83]

Now Corey fly outs are being applauded when they get to the OF? :)

[E.J.]

Ronny "The Savior" Cedeno? The guy who was hitting .279 in the minors? The guy who was caught stealing as many times as he was safe? The guy who had 74 strikeouts? Yes, how could Dusty overlook the next A-Rod like that?

 

 

You know what? Maybe we just disagree. The way I see it, it's not Baker's fault Hendry gave him an outfield with two octogenarian corners who do the 40 in about 8.4. It's not Baker's fault his closer at the beginning of the year was Hawkins. etc etc.

 

No, go ahead. I'm all ears.

 

You know, I don't think the problem is Dusty. I just don't. How many wins would another manager have with an outfield like the Cubs have? With a bullpen that had Hawkins as its closer? With a GM who thought Nomar was actually going to be a productive player for a full year? Dusty can only work with the hand he's been dealt. I'm not crazy about some of the moves he makes, but I don't put this all on Dusty. I put it on Hendry giving us a bloated, slow, strikeout-prone team that is brutal in clutch situations.

 

65% Dusty

 

35% Hendry

 

I won't even rehash the innumberable reasons why Dusty is more to blame than Hendry again in this thread.

 

Go back a few pages, it's all there. (or as much of it as I felt like typing out)

 

and its not hendrys fault that he can bring up all the good young talent he wants (cedeno) but Baker wont play a darned one.

 

Umm....I don't really think you know who Ronny Cedeno is. Here's his numbers from AAA this year.

 

Minor Leauge Baseball.com

[otis89]

Ronny "The Savior" Cedeno? The guy who was hitting .279 in the minors? The guy who was caught stealing as many times as he was safe? The guy who had 74 strikeouts? Yes, how could Dusty overlook the next A-Rod like that?

 

 

You know what? Maybe we just disagree. The way I see it, it's not Baker's fault Hendry gave him an outfield with two octogenarian corners who do the 40 in about 8.4. It's not Baker's fault his closer at the beginning of the year was Hawkins. etc etc.

 

No, go ahead. I'm all ears.

 

You know, I don't think the problem is Dusty. I just don't. How many wins would another manager have with an outfield like the Cubs have? With a bullpen that had Hawkins as its closer? With a GM who thought Nomar was actually going to be a productive player for a full year? Dusty can only work with the hand he's been dealt. I'm not crazy about some of the moves he makes, but I don't put this all on Dusty. I put it on Hendry giving us a bloated, slow, strikeout-prone team that is brutal in clutch situations.

 

65% Dusty

 

35% Hendry

 

I won't even rehash the innumberable reasons why Dusty is more to blame than Hendry again in this thread.

 

Go back a few pages, it's all there. (or as much of it as I felt like typing out)

 

and its not hendrys fault that he can bring up all the good young talent he wants (cedeno) but Baker wont play a darned one.

 

He was hitting .370 something in the minors this year.

[XZero771679666304]

Ronny "The Savior" Cedeno? The guy who was hitting .279 in the minors? The guy who was caught stealing as many times as he was safe? The guy who had 74 strikeouts? Yes, how could Dusty overlook the next A-Rod like that?

 

Ronny was hitting .371 in the minors. I think you don't know what you are talking about.

[Chris]

Ronny "The Savior" Cedeno? The guy who was hitting .279 in the minors? The guy who was caught stealing as many times as he was safe? The guy who had 74 strikeouts? Yes, how could Dusty overlook the next A-Rod like that?

 

:willynilly:

[Jon]

Ronny "The Savior" Cedeno? The guy who was hitting .279 in the minors? The guy who was caught stealing as many times as he was safe? The guy who had 74 strikeouts? Yes, how could Dusty overlook the next A-Rod like that?

You may want to check out his 2005 numbers at Iowa and not just go by what he did last year at AA.

[Roast]

Ronny "The Savior" Cedeno? The guy who was hitting .279 in the minors? The guy who was caught stealing as many times as he was safe? The guy who had 74 strikeouts? Yes, how could Dusty overlook the next A-Rod like that?

You may want to check out his 2005 numbers at Iowa and not just go by what he did last year at AA.

 

Stop being logical.