Giants (TBD) vs Cubs (Hendricks): 6/19/24, 1:20pm

[mfcubs22]

Just now, squally1313 said:

Not including Alonso I assume?

Oh he’s included. 

[profisme]

Wow this ump is brutal.  Seems like that statement is made on a daily basis anymore.  Do you think the umps know robo-umps are coming and they have collectively said "horsefeathers It"?

[JHBulls]

When MLB data trackers come out at the end of the year and lets us know just how efficient the umpires were with balls and strike, it will be something crazy like 93.68% correct calls. 😂 

[Outshined_One]

6 minutes ago, mfcubs22 said:

Oh he’s included. 

But he hits lots of RBIs and stuff!

Does not compute.

[mfcubs22]

You gotta think umpires want robo umps calling balls and strikes so they can stop listening to everyone (players, managers, fans) bitch all the time?

[Jason Ross]

I highly suspect (and since we don't have the data we have today, it's hard to really track) that umpires across the league are getting better and better and better and that they make more calls correct than ever (they have access to the same tools we do!). The problem is that with access to data, the K-zone (which sometimes TV K-zones can be a bit misleading!), umpire score cards and the like, we're just more aware of when they're slightly off. None of that is to say don't automate the zone (please, do. I don't buy the "human element" of the game. The strike zone is a rule...just enforce the rule)...but I think umpires in general get a little unfair rap due to the wealth of information we have,

[profisme]

Just now, 1908_Cubs said:

I highly suspect (and since we don't have the data we have today, it's hard to really track) that umpires across the league are getting better and better and better. They make more calls correct than ever. The problem is that with access to data, the K-zone (which sometimes TV K-zones can be a bit misleading!), umpire score cards and the like, we're just more aware of when they're slightly off. None of that is to say don't automate the zone (please, do. I don't buy the "human element" of the game. The strike zone is a rule...just enforce the rule)...but I think umpires in general get a little unfair rap due to the wealth of information we have,

Outside of CB and Angel, right?

[JHBulls]

A foot closer and the RF’er could have Canseco’d that for a HR. 😞 

Edited June 19, 2024 by JHBulls

[Jason Ross]

Just now, profisme said:

Outside of CB and Angel, right?

I think if we went back in time, like 20 or 30 years ago and looked at the data from those umpires and compared them to CB and Angel Hernandez...I bet they'd grade just fine. Like, Angel Hernandez wasn't great this year before he retired, but he wasn't even the lowest rated umpire in the game. And I suspect the worst umpires today are better than the worst umpires 20-30 years ago. There's always going to be a "worst" regardless of how much better people get. Where I think umpires get themselves in trouble is the theatrics. Tossing guys for small things, fragile ego stuff. They create a world in which they become lightening rods for criticism. 

[profisme]

I kind of want Morel to not swing at all just so Happ comes up with men on base.  

[profisme]

1 minute ago, 1908_Cubs said:

I think if we went back in time, like 20 or 30 years ago and looked at the data from those umpires and compared them to CB and Angel Hernandez...I bet they'd grade just fine. Like, Angel Hernandez wasn't great this year before he retired, but he wasn't even the lowest rated umpire in the game. And I suspect the worst umpires today are better than the worst umpires 20-30 years ago. There's always going to be a "worst" regardless of how much better people get. Where I think umpires get themselves in trouble is the theatrics. Tossing guys for small things, fragile ego stuff. They create a world in which they become lightening rods for criticism. 

Eric Gregg is probably one of the most egregious offenders in my memory.  The Livan Hernandez game was truly a wow game in umpiring.

[mfcubs22]

Do it, Ian. 

[Outshined_One]

2 minutes ago, profisme said:

I kind of want Morel to not swing at all just so Happ comes up with men on base.  

Are you a wizard?

[Jason Ross]

Just now, profisme said:

Eric Gregg is probably one of the most egregious offenders in my memory.  The Livan Hernandez game was truly a wow game in umpiring.

That's the stuff that really makes me mad. It's hard to be perfect (human element) and these guys throw really hard. I've had the pleasure of facing an MLB pitcher before and let me tell you; the stuff is just different. And he throws 92mph and isn't in the league any more. So, missing strikes and balls here or there...that's tough and I'll accept that. 

But just take the theatrics and bin it. The game isn't about the umpire and his ego. And I get that sometime a guy has to go because it's just too much. But Lane Johnson got tossed for turning around, there was the guy who got tossed from the dugout because a fan yelled something...get over yourself.

[LBiittner]

Oh my

[profisme]

Just now, Outshined_One said:

Are you a wizard?

Haha, maybe you are because you just conjured an image in my head of my 6'4" 250 pound, 41 year old goofy ass trying to put on Harry Potter garb.  It was pretty bad.

[Jason Ross]

Oh, Dansby doesn't suck any more. 

This is a nice thing.

[UMFan83]

Was gonna be so annoyed if we failed to score there again

[Outshined_One]

Oh man, I'd kill for Dansby to finally turn the corner.  Let's hope this hasn't been an outlier.

[LBiittner]

Oh my again

[Brock Beauchamp]

Did the Cubs transfer their vibe to the Giants?

[Jason Ross]

Phew. The 33 stolen bases in a row record was almost lost.

[BKHoo]

Go Cubs!!!! Big inning. 

[JHBulls]

This is what tanking looks like. 

[Andy]

Getting paid back for some of our terrible batted-ball luck this inning.