Minor League Discussion & Box, 4-14-24

[We Got The Whole 9]

54 minutes ago, XZero77 said:

No, you know it's always easier to spot the flaws of others than our own.

But allowing a dominant Beckett to throw 115 in an elimination game that was only 2-0 until the almost the end was far more defensible than Prior going 116 in a 12-0 game 2.

He still abused a 21 year old kid for the sake of getting to the World Series. It's what every Manager did back then. 

 

AGon screwed the pooch.

[NOLA]

29 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

He still abused a 21 year old kid for the sake of getting to the World Series. It's what every Manager did back then. 

 

AGon screwed the pooch.

Yes, it is what every manager did back then, but what Dusty did wasn’t even strategic. It was just some old school nonsense that trashed his staff. Same logic as starting Neifi effing Perez.  

Edited April 16, 2024 by NOLA

[Thusly Boned]

14 minutes ago, We Got The Whole 9 said:

He still abused a 21 year old kid for the sake of getting to the World Series. It's what every Manager did back then. 

 

AGon screwed the pooch.

AGon screwed the pooch for sure, but Dusty was a prodigy at riding pitchers into the ground, and that played a factor. Prior threw a ton of pitches not just in the postseason, but down the stretch. Like 125-130 pitches several times in a row leading into the playoffs. Almost every start in September was a huge pitch count (all were 110+, 6 of 7 were 124+, including 131 three times), many of those were close games, some weren't.

Throwing 116 pitches in a 12-0 game was just egregious; even then as a younger/more ignorant fan I was increasingly flummoxed by each consecutive inning past the fifth when Prior kept taking the hill. Game 6 was a confluence of circumstances; AGon was one big thing, but Prior being gassed was another.

Dusty's rep isn't undeserved.

[We Got The Whole 9]

9 minutes ago, XZero77 said:

AGon screwed the pooch for sure, but Dusty was a prodigy at riding pitchers into the ground, and that played a factor. Prior threw a ton of pitches not just in the postseason, but down the stretch. Like 125-130 pitches several times in a row leading into the playoffs. Almost every start in September was a huge pitch count (all were 110+, 6 of 7 were 124+, including 131 three times), many of those were close games, some weren't.

Throwing 116 pitches in a 12-0 game was just egregious; even then as a younger/more ignorant fan I was increasingly flummoxed by each consecutive inning past the fifth when Prior kept taking the hill. Game 6 was a confluence of circumstances; AGon was one big thing, but Prior being gassed was another.

Dusty's rep isn't undeserved.

How gassed was he? If AGon makes that play Prior completes 8 innings of 1-run ball. If anything I think the Marlins just had enough looks at him but the dam didn't break until the chaos and the ensuing error.

[muntjack]

Dusty had a lot of strange beliefs.  The only fond memory I have of the man was him yelling at La Russa.

Edited April 16, 2024 by muntjack

[CubinNY]

What a walk through nightmare memory lane. That 2003-2004 team was as good or better than the 2015-2017 Cubs team. 

[Bobson Dugnutt]

13 hours ago, Hrubes20 said:

And Marcus Giles took out Prior.  Maybe that's why I subconsciously root against the Braves.

Robert Fick clubbing Eric Karros’ arm belongs in this conversation.