Article: Welcome to the Era of the Six-Man Starting Rotation

[Hairyducked Idiot]

33 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

Ryan, Gibson, Koufax, Seaver, McDowell, etc.??????????

The average whiff rate is way higher today. As is the average velocity. Cherrypicking the most memorable names won't change that.

[CubinNY]

1 hour ago, Backtobanks said:

Ryan, Gibson, Koufax, Seaver, McDowell, etc.??????????

There have always been great pitchers who could gas. But the proportions have changed and even then they got lit up in the later innings. 

[CubinNY]

Wrong thread

Edited October 15, 2023 by CubinNY

[Splendid Splinter]

Pretty sure if you look up league avg (offensively) from this year and compare it to the 70s, the triple slash is similar (within  .010-.050 for OPS depending on which year you’re comparing to). 2023 avg more doubles/HR/K so higher SLG where 70s had more singles for slightly higher AVG.

Pretty sure someone can back me up on that and go into more detail, but thawv and B2B aren’t exactly remembering correctly about the 70s overall.

[Rcal10]

2 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The average whiff rate is way higher today. As is the average velocity. Cherrypicking the most memorable names won't change that.

Besides that Seaver and Gibson averaged about 7k’s per 9 innings. McDowell and Koufax needs their career at a yioung age due to injuries. Ryan was just a freak of nature. Guys just throw harder now on average. 

[Backtobanks]

14 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The average whiff rate is way higher today. As is the average velocity. Cherrypicking the most memorable names won't change that.

The whiff rate is higher because hitters concentrate on launch angles instead of contact.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 hours ago, Backtobanks said:

The whiff rate is higher because hitters concentrate on launch angles instead of contact.

Pitchers throw harder on average, with more movemenet. You genuinely believe that has nothing to do with it?

[Backtobanks]

5 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Pitchers throw harder on average, with more movemenet. You genuinely believe that has nothing to do with it?

And you don't believe that hitters changing their launch angles at the cost of more K's has nothing to do with it.  Batters have figured out that you make more money hitting .220 with 20 HRs and lots of Ks than hitting .280 with 10-12 HRs and fewer Ks.

[CubinNY]

2 hours ago, Backtobanks said:

And you don't believe that hitters changing their launch angles at the cost of more K's has nothing to do with it.  Batters have figured out that you make more money hitting .220 with 20 HRs and lots of Ks than hitting .280 with 10-12 HRs and fewer Ks.

A player can’t do that. Pitching is so far ahead of hitting in this era. The only difference is that hitters are stronger and in overall better shape.

 

[mul21]

This might be one of the dumbest discussions I've ever read with huge misunderstanding of physics and human physiology to boot.  Defenders are better, infields are faster, parks are smaller, temperatures are warmer, and about 800 other things are different now that make things different and hitting generally more difficult.   

[Hairyducked Idiot]

19 hours ago, Backtobanks said:

And you don't believe that hitters changing their launch angles at the cost of more K's has nothing to do with it.  Batters have figured out that you make more money hitting .220 with 20 HRs and lots of Ks than hitting .280 with 10-12 HRs and fewer Ks.

That was forced by defenses getting better.