9/24 - Rockies (Blach) vs Cubs (Wicks): 1:20pm, Marquee

[Brock Beauchamp]

I can say this today and not get pelted with rotten tomatoes: Go Brewers.

The Cubs now have a one game lead over the Marlins, could make that a more comfy two games today.

[chibears55]

Nice of Ross to start Wisdom today for his final WF home game, ever........... (hopefully)

Canairo starting in CF

Edited September 24, 2023 by chibears55

[Rcal10]

I have seen comments a few times regarding Nico Hoerner and his up side being basically an average major league hitter. And if you look at his numbers he does grade out right around 100.(average). But my question is does SB ever get put in the equation when determine offensive value. I mean often after he gets a single he ends up stealing second base. He get credit for one total base but that single ends up the same as someone doubling. I realize with guys on base this is different. I am just curious if there is any place that is accounted for when determine a guys offensive value. A stolen base is offensive value. 
I absolutely believe Nico is a star player at 100/105 offensive value when you factor in base stealing, running the bases and then, of course, his defense. 

Edited September 24, 2023 by Rcal10

[UMFan83]

looks like they are lining up Stroman to start Game 1 of the WC series if they make it (and if Steele has to pitch on Sunday thus missing the WC round)

Edited September 24, 2023 by UMFan83

[Rcal10]

4 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

looks like they are lining up Stroman to start Game 1 of the WC series if they make it (and if Steele has to pitch on Sunday thus missing the WC round)

Hopefully Steele won’t need to be used. Then they can go Steele then Stroman. 

[UMFan83]

Blach gave up 3 ER in 5 IP against the Cubs in Colorado. He followed that up with 7 ER in 3.2 IP against San Diego. 

[Backtobanks]

52 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

I have seen comments a few times regarding Nico Hoerner and his up side being basically an average major league hitter. And if you look at his numbers he does grade out right around 100.(average). But my question is does SB ever get put in the equation when determine offensive value. I mean often after he gets a single he ends up stealing second base. He get credit for one total base but that single ends up the same as someone doubling. I realize with guys on base this is different. I am just curious if there is any place that is accounted for when determine a guys offensive value. A stolen base is offensive value. 
I absolutely believe Nico is a star player at 100/105 offensive value when you factor in base stealing, running the bases and then, of course, his defense. 

I think Nico is under appreciated when people talk about the Cubs.  He's the epitome of consistency offensively and defensively he's near the top of the game.  As you pointed out, he's an excellent base stealer and a smart baserunner.  Unfortunately, modern stat-driven baseball loves players who hit 25+ HR, 160 Ks, .210 BA, and can't play defense at any position over guys like Hoerner.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

1 hour ago, Rcal10 said:

I have seen comments a few times regarding Nico Hoerner and his up side being basically an average major league hitter. And if you look at his numbers he does grade out right around 100.(average). But my question is does SB ever get put in the equation when determine offensive value. I mean often after he gets a single he ends up stealing second base. He get credit for one total base but that single ends up the same as someone doubling. I realize with guys on base this is different. I am just curious if there is any place that is accounted for when determine a guys offensive value. A stolen base is offensive value. 
I absolutely believe Nico is a star player at 100/105 offensive value when you factor in base stealing, running the bases and then, of course, his defense. 

No, baserunning isn't counted in OPS+ or wRC+ (the most common '100 = average' metrics you'll see quoted.  Fangraphs' 'Off' counting value does include baserunning, and Hoerner is 62nd of 135 qualified hitters.  

[UMFan83]

The Happ hitting 3rd conversation is mostly over but I still don’t like it when he’s hitting 3rd against lefties. He’s still terrible hitting righty. 
 

not sure how the Rockies bullpen is set up in terms of handedness though, Blach is a 5 inning guy so maybe the matchups later in the game make him hitting 3rd better

[UMFan83]

“Blach doesn’t strike out anyone”

*Proceeds to strike out the next 3 hitters*

[Andy]

Just now, UMFan83 said:

“Blach doesn’t strike out anyone”

*Proceeds to strike out the next 3 hitters*

He threw 3 straight balls to Bellinger for the strikeout, which is fun.

[Rex Buckingham]

1 minute ago, Andy said:

He threw 3 straight balls to Bellinger for the strikeout, which is fun.

yeah, k zone had 2 of those touching the zone, but not a one was a no doubt strike

[UMFan83]

Marlins up 4-0

Diamondbacks up 2-0

need to win

[chibears55]

2 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

“Blach doesn’t strike out anyone”

*Proceeds to strike out the next 3 hitters*

Crazy part of that is Morel walked 😅

[chibears55]

Did Candelario have a setback?

I thought he was to return this weekend,  today would of been a good day to get his bat back in the lineup against the lefty

[Andy]

4 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

Did Candelario have a setback?

I thought he was to return this weekend,  today would of been a good day to get his bat back in the lineup against the lefty

I don't know that he was really expected back right away. When he first went on the IL I recall it being questioned if he'd be back at all in the regular season.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Andy

[chibears55]

4 minutes ago, Andy said:

I don't know that he was really expected back right away. When he first went on the IL I recall it being questioned if he'd be back at all in the regular season.

That what i originally thought but then I read a couple articles during the week saying he could be back this weekend..

Oh well

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Marlins about to go 5-1 vs the Braves and the Marlins in back to back weekends. Frustrating.

[chibears55]

Velasquez just hit his 17 HR today, cubs got cuas though 😅

[UMFan83]

If they lose this i know im overreacting but my confidence of them making the playoffs goes down to like 15%

[UMFan83]

7 minutes ago, itisallpartoftheplan said:

Marlins about to go 5-1 vs the Braves and the Marlins in back to back weekends. Frustrating.

I told people in August after the deadline that the Marlins were the team I was most worried about. They have a solid team with their deadline moves

[UMFan83]

That’s 4 runs allowed in 9 innings against the Cubs sandwiched by giving up 7 ER in 3.1 IP in his other start 🙄 

[Rcal10]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

I told people in August after the deadline that the Marlins were the team I was most worried about. They have a solid team with their deadline moves

If the cubs go 4-3 counting today and the Marlins beat them out, they deserve it. They handled Atlanta and the Brewers and hung in there. I know they end with the Mets and Pirates, but both are in the road. And both teams are decent at home. Cubs just need to take care of what they can. 

[UMFan83]

Edit: double post

Edited September 24, 2023 by UMFan83

[Derwood]

Buntin with Happ is a choice