Chicago Bears Offseason Thread (the tank must payoff)

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I love Will Anderson, but I'm not basing a trade down on being able to get him still. If you trade from 1, you have to assume you are forgoing the ability to draft whoever you consider the best player in this draft. There's enough DE talent in this draft that you can still get a pretty good edge player AND a bunch of other assets. I don't care if the Bears have to trade down to 20, I want the best package of potential impact draft picks.

[WrigleyField 22]

I love Will Anderson, but I'm not basing a trade down on being able to get him still. If you trade from 1, you have to assume you are forgoing the ability to draft whoever you consider the best player in this draft. There's enough DE talent in this draft that you can still get a pretty good edge player AND a bunch of other assets. I don't care if the Bears have to trade down to 20, I want the best package of potential impact draft picks.

Well trading down to 20 is probably a sign you took yourself out of high impact range. Yea, you're presumably getting future FRP, but of unknown value.

 

Carolina at 9 seems like a reasonable limit where you still get a top flight prospect. If 2 QBs go, you can get a top 7 guy on your board at least.

[Splendid Splinter]

I love Will Anderson, but I'm not basing a trade down on being able to get him still. If you trade from 1, you have to assume you are forgoing the ability to draft whoever you consider the best player in this draft. There's enough DE talent in this draft that you can still get a pretty good edge player AND a bunch of other assets. I don't care if the Bears have to trade down to 20, I want the best package of potential impact draft picks.

 

Yep. Even if we drop to 7 or 9, Bears could still get someone like Murphy, Johnston, OL, or depending on how FA goes, Bijan Robinson. Elite talent is elite talent.

 

Be interesting to see if Lions think Goff is the answer or not. They have the 6th and 18th that could go a long way in a package for #1. Hate to trade in the same division but can’t rule it out if they offer the best package.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Splendid Splinter

[minnesotacubsfan]

I saw a trade proposal today that was with Houston and we took Cook and picks. It was clearly written by a Texans fan (do they exist) because it talked about how Cook wanted out but it was light on the draft picks side from Houston. Get lost

 

I want Poles to have a Hershel Walker trade return, or as close as it that he can get. That likely takes us far enough away from Anderson or Carter, that it's great that this draft has a good amount of guys we need: everything

[WrigleyField 22]

I love Will Anderson, but I'm not basing a trade down on being able to get him still. If you trade from 1, you have to assume you are forgoing the ability to draft whoever you consider the best player in this draft. There's enough DE talent in this draft that you can still get a pretty good edge player AND a bunch of other assets. I don't care if the Bears have to trade down to 20, I want the best package of potential impact draft picks.

 

Yep. Even if we drop to 7 or 9, Bears could still get someone like Murphy, Johnston, OL, or depending on how FA goes, Bijan Robinson. Elite talent is elite talent.

 

Be interesting to see if Lions think Goff is the answer or not. They have the 6th and 18th that could go a long way in a package for #1.

Division opponent - requires an extra 1st than anyone else

[minnesotacubsfan]

I love Will Anderson, but I'm not basing a trade down on being able to get him still. If you trade from 1, you have to assume you are forgoing the ability to draft whoever you consider the best player in this draft. There's enough DE talent in this draft that you can still get a pretty good edge player AND a bunch of other assets. I don't care if the Bears have to trade down to 20, I want the best package of potential impact draft picks.

 

Yep. Even if we drop to 7 or 9, Bears could still get someone like Murphy, Johnston, OL, or depending on how FA goes, Bijan Robinson. Elite talent is elite talent.

 

Be interesting to see if Lions think Goff is the answer or not. They have the 6th and 18th that could go a long way in a package for #1.

Division opponent - requires an extra 1st than anyone else

Getting 2 this year may be the tax we pay, and those picks are great spots. But I think the Lions will go value at Qb and keep Goff, try to develop a rookie. I don't think they'll trade up for a Qb.

[Splendid Splinter]

I love Will Anderson, but I'm not basing a trade down on being able to get him still. If you trade from 1, you have to assume you are forgoing the ability to draft whoever you consider the best player in this draft. There's enough DE talent in this draft that you can still get a pretty good edge player AND a bunch of other assets. I don't care if the Bears have to trade down to 20, I want the best package of potential impact draft picks.

 

Yep. Even if we drop to 7 or 9, Bears could still get someone like Murphy, Johnston, OL, or depending on how FA goes, Bijan Robinson. Elite talent is elite talent.

 

Be interesting to see if Lions think Goff is the answer or not. They have the 6th and 18th that could go a long way in a package for #1.

Division opponent - requires an extra 1st than anyone else

 

Say they offer 6/18/2nd plus ‘24 1st, do you turn it down?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Yep. Even if we drop to 7 or 9, Bears could still get someone like Murphy, Johnston, OL, or depending on how FA goes, Bijan Robinson. Elite talent is elite talent.

 

Be interesting to see if Lions think Goff is the answer or not. They have the 6th and 18th that could go a long way in a package for #1.

Division opponent - requires an extra 1st than anyone else

 

Say they offer 6/18/2nd plus ‘24 1st, do you turn it down?

No

[mias_tisg]

The Colts just seem like the perfect trade partner in all aspects. If they retain Saturday, they'd be even more attractive to me if the Bears get a future 1st from them.

[David]

The Colts just seem like the perfect trade partner in all aspects. If they retain Saturday, they'd be even more attractive to me if the Bears get a future 1st from them.

 

and then we draft marvin harrison jr with their pick lmao

[UMFan83]

 

Yep. Even if we drop to 7 or 9, Bears could still get someone like Murphy, Johnston, OL, or depending on how FA goes, Bijan Robinson. Elite talent is elite talent.

 

Be interesting to see if Lions think Goff is the answer or not. They have the 6th and 18th that could go a long way in a package for #1.

Division opponent - requires an extra 1st than anyone else

 

Say they offer 6/18/2nd plus ‘24 1st, do you turn it down?

 

I know its a hypothetical but I don't think they would come close to that offer. I think Goff played well enough this year that they are confident moving forward with him for now, or at least in the position where they aren't going to mortgage the future to draft a potential franchise QB, especially by trading all those picks to a division rival.

 

In making this post I looked up his stats this year and while I knew he had a solid year I didn't know they were this good:

 

65.1% completion percentage (19th in NFL)

4438 yards (6th in NFL)

7.6 YPA (6th)

29 TD (5th)

7 INT (6th least of QBs who threw for 2000+ yards)

99.3 QB Rating (7th)

61.2 QBR (5th)

 

He's only 28, still has 2 years on his deal and while its an improvement over his prior 3 years, he has had a couple of similar seasons with the Rams so its not like its a complete outlier.

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My point is, Will Anderson may be the best prospect in this draft. That doesn't mean he is the best pro in the draft. He could be Jadeveon Clowney, solid player but not a world beater. Even if he is Nick Bosa, the best pass rusher in his class who went #2 in his class......there may be a Brian Burns available in the middle of the round, like there was in that 2019 draft.

 

I'd probably still trade the pick if I knew Anderson was going to be a Bosa level pass rusher, if I knew I could another pretty good pass rusher PLUS another early pick in this draft PLUS likely a 1st round pick next year PLUS probably another pick or two.

 

To put names to it from the Bosa and subsequent draft. I would give up Bosa to get Brian Burns, Dalton Risner (early 2nd in 2019), Jerry Jeudy (mid 1 in 2020) + an extra 3rd next year or whatever else it takes. And I didn't even take the best available guys in the early 2nd and mid 1st like Deebo and Wirfs. One player can add the elite player this team needs, but they aren't 1 player away. 4-5 players can be franchise altering if you draft well.

[BigbadB]

The Colts just seem like the perfect trade partner in all aspects. If they retain Saturday, they'd be even more attractive to me if the Bears get a future 1st from them.

 

and then we draft marvin harrison jr with their pick lmao

 

This is quite realistic. The Colts will be in rebuild mode and will be a bottom feeder next year. I wanna say their offensive line was hideous, which explains why they went through so many QB's this year. I'm all in on a trade with the Colts, assuming it pays well enough.

 

And I'd be especially cool if they traded down with the Texans along the way. Not sure you get the same prize from the Colts by letting the Texans have first pick of the QB's, but you still end up with Anderson if they no longer wish to do business. They'd still have to worry that someone will jump to the 3rd pick ahead of them.

 

I don't see Detroit drafting a QB. Goff has been mistake free and he's running their offense quite well. They can use their picks to strengthen their roster. For once in a blue moon, they are the team to beat in the NFC North next year. Hopefully, the Bears make it a two team race.

[BigbadB]

I was just reading that Matt Ryan has another year on his contract that will guarantee once he gets cut. That might take the Colts out of the running for Garappalo or any other expensive free agent QB's.

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I was just reading that Matt Ryan has another year on his contract that will guarantee once he gets cut. That might take the Colts out of the running for Garappalo or any other expensive free agent QB's.

 

I think that fan base would riot if they go after another veteran QB. Granted, Jimmy G isn't as ancient as Ryan and Rivers or as terrible as Wentz. But there's no way they can justify adding another vet as their starting QB. They've had good luck (no pun) picking QBs at 1 (since the Elway debacle), so I feel like there will be a ton of pressure and incentive for them to trade up to a team that's clearly got the 1 on the table. Extra incentive to take their top guy over the division rival Texans.

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I was just reading that Matt Ryan has another year on his contract that will guarantee once he gets cut. That might take the Colts out of the running for Garappalo or any other expensive free agent QB's.

Hm, looks like only part is guaranteed. 12M. The remainder is only injury guaranteed, but I think he's healthy now, and was just demoted.

 

So 12M guaranteed, but an additional 17M guarantees after March 19.

 

I'd think they'll just eat the 12 and save the 17.

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The Colts just seem like the perfect trade partner in all aspects. If they retain Saturday, they'd be even more attractive to me if the Bears get a future 1st from them.

 

and then we draft marvin harrison jr with their pick lmao

 

This is quite realistic. The Colts will be in rebuild mode and will be a bottom feeder next year. I wanna say their offensive line was hideous, which explains why they went through so many QB's this year. I'm all in on a trade with the Colts, assuming it pays well enough.

 

And I'd be especially cool if they traded down with the Texans along the way. Not sure you get the same prize from the Colts by letting the Texans have first pick of the QB's, but you still end up with Anderson if they no longer wish to do business. They'd still have to worry that someone will jump to the 3rd pick ahead of them.

 

I don't see Detroit drafting a QB. Goff has been mistake free and he's running their offense quite well. They can use their picks to strengthen their roster. For once in a blue moon, they are the team to beat in the NFC North next year. Hopefully, the Bears make it a two team race.

 

Colts also had the league's most expensive OL as well. They all dealt with injuries in the last couple years and have zapped the effectiveness of a once fantastic group.

 

One thing about Detroit is they've built quite a foundation there. They finished with a winning record, were mostly hot to end the season. Established great chemistry on that team. And now get to add 4 top 64 picks. I don't see them taking a QB, which would create some controversy in what should be a pretty strong and optimistic locker room going into next season.

[BigbadB]

Colts QB's got sacked 60 times this year. Not as much as Bears QB's, but add a rookie QB, some veteran has been (maybe still Foles) and lose some more of that strong defense and the Bears could be looking at a top 3 pick in 2024. I'd be very interested in what the Colts have to offer.

 

A top WR with their first pick in 2024 is just what the doctor ordered for this team.

[Tim]

fwiw (not much!) - I can usually get the pff draft simulator to approve the following:

 

Bears give: 1/1

 

Indy gives: 1/4, 2/35, 3/79, 2024 1st, 2025 1st

[David]

 

i don't think there's much chance at all that this happens but it sure is fun to think about (the nick wright one i mean obv)

[jersey cubs fan]

The double trade back is absolutely what I want to see happen.

[Rex Buckingham]

 

i don't think there's much chance at all that this happens but it sure is fun to think about (the nick wright one i mean obv)

 

Can't imagine Houston would give up 2 and 12, maybe 2, 33, and a 2024 2nd?

 

The Seattle deal for 2 seems like a decent chance, but is Seattle going to go after a QB or give Geno Smith a shot with 2 additional 1st rounders added to the roster?

[BigbadB]

 

i don't think there's much chance at all that this happens but it sure is fun to think about (the nick wright one i mean obv)

 

Can't imagine Houston would give up 2 and 12, maybe 2, 33, and a 2024 2nd?

 

The Seattle deal for 2 seems like a decent chance, but is Seattle going to go after a QB or give Geno Smith a shot with 2 additional 1st rounders added to the roster?

 

Houston and Indy will be bad next year. Seattle won't be as bad. Draft position in 2024 is of utmost importance as well, IMO.

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No way Houston trades up from 2 to 1. I think they'd be perfectly fine taking Levis at 2, if Young goes 1. I actually think the smart move for Houston would be to take Anderson at 2, and then use 12 to move to move back up for a QB (Arizona at 3 would be a prime target or even Bears at 4 with double trade down). They could get the best player in the draft AND get their QB. They also have two 1sts next year from the Watson trade.

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i don't think there's much chance at all that this happens but it sure is fun to think about (the nick wright one i mean obv)

 

Can't imagine Houston would give up 2 and 12, maybe 2, 33, and a 2024 2nd?

 

The Seattle deal for 2 seems like a decent chance, but is Seattle going to go after a QB or give Geno Smith a shot with 2 additional 1st rounders added to the roster?

 

Houston and Indy will be bad next year. Seattle won't be as bad. Draft position in 2024 is of utmost importance as well, IMO.

 

Agree that Houston and Indy will likely be bad. But I wouldn't be surprised if Seattle is too. They do have a decent amount of talent, but that QB position is still unstable with Geno or a rookie. They only went 9-8 this year with 4 wins by 4 or fewer points. They were up and down all year with losses to the entire NFC South, who all had losing records. They also lost to a bad Raiders team. I know they are well coached and have drafted well, but I wouldn't discount that could be a top 12 pick in 2024 from them. They made the playoffs, but they won in OT against a bad Rams team Sunday which a loss would have had them with the 14th pick.

 

I'd take almost any scenario that gets the Bears multiple 1st round picks in 2024. Worst case scenario, it gives you an extra 1st to trade for a really good WR or Tunsil or Buckner if the Colts are cutting salary.