Bears Week 5 @ Vikings, Noon FOX

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So those rates are at a yard or less... I'd suspect the difference between a yard and a foot or less is a pretty big difference in the "just reach over" decision.

 

At a yard, yea get the extra blocker. Down to a foot, or inches. Just get under center and reach.

 

So, I actually get why teams do the shotgun run when they only need a yard. Out of the gun, you aren't really picking a hole before the play and running thru it. You are giving your RB a chance to pick his hole based on where the push is. Whereas under center, you are going thru a predetermined hole and hoping your OL blocks it up well enough.

 

My biggest issue with what the Bears did is more with the play call itself. They basically did a QB sneak from 4 yards away. Fields got to read the blocking a bit, but he's also not a RB. Snap it to Montgomery and let him go straight ahead or hand it off and like DM find the soft spot (he's actually not very good at this though).

So I think the benefit of the QB taking a snap is you can clear some defenders by making them respect a wide out (I don't remember if Bears did in that play)

 

Obviously like you said, a RB is gonna read holes better.

 

But you definitely don't want a handoff. That removes a potential blocker. So direct shotgun snap is the best/logical play, but maybe you make the case for a Wildcat scenario where you remove the QB from the play completely. If a D REALLY sleeps on it you might have a RB who could still make a dump sideline pass if they leave a WR completely uncovered.

 

Yeah, the Bears had 3 WRs in the game, but Mooney was flexed to the formation (not tight, but within a couple yards of the nearest OL). There was another WR wide left that moved tight to the formation before the snap. So basically, the formation only really took 1 maybe 2 guys out of the box and you only had 6 blockers and a WR. If that's the play, gotta go bigger inside. It's not like there was a threat of a pass (plus the Bears had only passed 9 times to that point so wasn't a threat no matter how spread the formation).

 

Yeah, I agree with the handoff part too. Not a good option, but better than a non-Josh Allen QB straight ahead. At least with a handoff you also have the threat of Fields pulling and maybe the LBs are soft in the middle because of that.

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea that's a good point on the read option, although Fields isn't that great at that play at this point. But his athleticism over 1 yard covers that gap.

 

But I feel like I've watched slow ass Foles types take that read option. It the D sells out one way, you can take the undefenderd route easily. But if you aren't a threat to pass or whatever it takes options away.

 

But if your butted up to the goal line even a Tom Brady athlete can reach over at a pretty high rate. And really you could make the argument a guy with enough grip strength could one hand it to extend his reach because there's no "completion of the play" they have to go through there. Cross the imaginary plane and it's done.

[UMFan83]

[UMFan83]

No Jaylon at practice today, not great for his chances of playing on Sunday but we'll see what happens. My fantasy team is really excited about this development though.

[UMFan83]

PFF grades from last week. As many people have speculated Justin Fields did play well last week, at least according to PFF grading. Also for those wondering why Ebner was in so much last week look at his pass blocking grade compared to Herbert's (also sad LOL at Mustipher):

 

 

Defense:

 

[Have a seat, Neifi]

PFF grades from last week. As many people have speculated Justin Fields did play well last week, at least according to PFF grading. Also for those wondering why Ebner was in so much last week look at his pass blocking grade compared to Herbert's (also sad LOL at Mustipher):

 

 

Defense:

 

Sam Mustipher, woof.

[WrigleyField 22]

Is a 1.5 pass block score good? It's like golf right? Red means good?

[WrigleyField 22]

PFF grades from last week. As many people have speculated Justin Fields did play well last week, at least according to PFF grading. Also for those wondering why Ebner was in so much last week look at his pass blocking grade compared to Herbert's (also sad LOL at Mustipher):

I was able to successfully pysch a fantasy football opponent into using a draft pick on Ebner, by dropping the "I heard Bears aren't happy with Herbert's pass blocking" during the draft.

 

He still hasn't dropped him. Ebner is only rosters in like 1% of ESPN leagues, and this isn't a particularly deep league, but I think he's committed now lol. We'll see if pays dividends for him down the line lol.

[BigSlick]

Oh woof, I thought this and the Commanders game were flip flopped. The Commanders are one of the few teams that may actually be worse than us, and we're gonna get them on short rest, that sucks.

 

3 out of the next 4 games also on the road, which is the *softer* part of the schedule. Things could get ugly folks.

[UK]

Oh woof, I thought this and the Commanders game were flip flopped. The Commanders are one of the few teams that may actually be worse than us, and we're gonna get them on short rest, that sucks.

 

3 out of the next 4 games also on the road, which is the *softer* part of the schedule. Things could get ugly folks.

 

I am still shocked some sites have the o/u at 6.5 after their surprise 1st win. I just can't see them going 5-8.

[UMFan83]

Oh woof, I thought this and the Commanders game were flip flopped. The Commanders are one of the few teams that may actually be worse than us, and we're gonna get them on short rest, that sucks.

 

3 out of the next 4 games also on the road, which is the *softer* part of the schedule. Things could get ugly folks.

 

Yeah seeing the 4 road games in 5 stretch ticked me off when the schedule was released. But don’t worry we have our own 4 home games in 5 stretch in beautiful December.

 

That combined with our late bye means that the Bears don’t have to leave Chicago between November 28 and December 31.

 

Last oddity, we are in a 9 week stretch where we play almost as many games in the Meadowlands (2) as we do Soldier Field (3)

[BigSlick]

I want to start the "Play Teven Jenkins Every Snap" club

 

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PFF grades from last week. As many people have speculated Justin Fields did play well last week, at least according to PFF grading. Also for those wondering why Ebner was in so much last week look at his pass blocking grade compared to Herbert's (also sad LOL at Mustipher):

 

 

Defense:

 

Yeah, when every drop back is a race between the ball and the nose tackle to see who can make it to Fields first, there tend to be a lot of QB pressures.

 

Fields got about as much pass protection from Mustiphar that he'd have gotten from an automated snapping machine. Though maybe the NT would occasionally trip over the snapping machine and provide a throwing window.

[Old Style]

That's funny but it hurts at the same time.

[UMFan83]

PFF grades from last week. As many people have speculated Justin Fields did play well last week, at least according to PFF grading. Also for those wondering why Ebner was in so much last week look at his pass blocking grade compared to Herbert's (also sad LOL at Mustipher):

 

 

Defense:

 

Yeah, when every drop back is a race between the ball and the nose tackle to see who can make it to Fields first, there tend to be a lot of QB pressures.

 

Fields got about as much pass protection from Mustiphar that he'd have gotten from an automated snapping machine. Though maybe the NT would occasionally trip over the snapping machine and provide a throwing window.

 

PFF grades a corded snapping machine at 31.5 for pass blocking. 10.6 for cordless

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As an example of how bad it got, here's a play where Mustipher blocked 0 of 2 rushers up the middle leading to an immediate broken play:

 

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EDIT: Also includes bonus Herbert "blocking"

[UMFan83]

what the...

 

[UK]

what the...

 

 

Idiotic comment from someone who obviously lacks accountability.

[jersey cubs fan]

On par with how they set up this season for Fields. It’s like they want him to learn how to take a sack without fumbling and when to throw it away. Then next year they can work on advancing the ball down the field.

[UK]

I am curious to see how many times they've given him max protection. What's the difference if you have 5 receivers who can't get open compared to 3?

[Old Style]

I am curious to see how many times they've given him max protection. What's the difference if you have 5 receivers who can't get open compared to 3?

2 by my count.

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As an example of how bad it got, here's a play where Mustipher blocked 0 of 2 rushers up the middle leading to an immediate broken play:

 

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EDIT: Also includes bonus Herbert "blocking"

 

Herbert is really a liability blocking. Like he can't be a starting RB level liability. He gets the flash plays as a runner, but that's literally all he does. Bears probably have to re-sign Montgomery, or else they'll probably need to draft a RB on Day 2 or early Day 3, I'd imagine.

 

Oh and it does sound like they are reconsidering Mustipher starting. Getsy said something about trying to find a combination. ESPN depth chart has JaTyre Carter at LG with Patrick at C. Still have Schofield as well. Carter intrigues me. 4 of 5 OL with less than a season's worth of experience each. Might as well see what you have if Justin's going to die anyway.

[UMFan83]

As an example of how bad it got, here's a play where Mustipher blocked 0 of 2 rushers up the middle leading to an immediate broken play:

 

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EDIT: Also includes bonus Herbert "blocking"

 

Herbert is really a liability blocking. Like he can't be a starting RB level liability. He gets the flash plays as a runner, but that's literally all he does. Bears probably have to re-sign Montgomery, or else they'll probably need to draft a RB on Day 2 or early Day 3, I'd imagine.

 

Oh and it does sound like they are reconsidering Mustipher starting. Getsy said something about trying to find a combination. ESPN depth chart has JaTyre Carter at LG with Patrick at C. Still have Schofield as well. Carter intrigues me. 4 of 5 OL with less than a season's worth of experience each. Might as well see what you have if Justin's going to die anyway.

 

Yeah it kind of sucks because it would seem like such an obvious move to let Montgomery walk and make Herbert the lead back. If he had a solid pass blocking line/TEs you may be able to get away with it but I'm not sure we are anywhere close to that right now. I still don't think we should resign Montgomery. Solid but unspectacular back but I'm against a 2nd contract for RBs unless they are elite.

[jersey cubs fan]

On the one hand he’s one of only two starting caliber skill position players on the offense. On the other hand, he’s an RB and the offense has been complete trash while in his prime. He might not get much of an offer elsewhere. Unless there’s a quality offense out that that is a capable RB away from greatness.

[BigSlick]

Literally can't believe it but the leading receiver after 4 games is Darnell Mooney with EIGHT receptions

 

The Bears have had 136 rushing attempts so far and 34 completed passes lmao

 

They can't continue playing like this, this isn't professional football