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Yea, if Soldier Field had a bunch of supporting amenities and revenue opportunities, plus another 10k seats I kind of doubt they'd be looking seriously at a large scale replacement.

 

Plenty of other stadiums built before SF will well outlast its life because they weren't cluster fucks from the start. In fact if the Bears had just done the indoor McDome, theyd probably have gotten by with just renovations along the way to modernize/add suites and that's it.

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Third Bears FA signing to get arrested this offseason. What the horsefeathers going on over there lol. I know the Bears FO can't prevent people from getting arrested and not sure if any of the guys had track records of issues with the law but not a great look.

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ideas that could break the bank and transform the lakefront experience.

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Removing Burnham Harbor and “replacing it with parking.”

Nothing like the transformative impact of parking.

 

"BUILD MORE LANES!!!"

 

"BUILD MORE PARKING LOTS"

 

"Maybe we should go with more/better public transportation inst-"

 

"SHUT THE horsefeathers UP, SOCIALIST!!!!"

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Football Outsiders released their almanac today. Not a ton of interesting stuff in there for the Bears. Mostly echoing the consensus of wanting to have done more for Fields.

 

- Bears come in at 26th in projected DVOA, 27th on offense, 10th in defense, and 9th in special teams

- FO doesn't like the Bears' O-line, but does seem to like aspects. It likes the Patrick pickup, it likes loading up on day 3 picks, it thinks Jenkins is a worthwhile gamble, it's just all not enough considering the starting point (#23 O-line last year, and James Daniels was their top rated guy). They don't have individual player projections for the O-line, but you do get the sense that upgrading from Mustipher with a late sign or trade would improve the outlook pretty dramatically

- FO REALLY hates the Bears WR core. They're lukewarm on Mooney ("an effective speedster WR3 who could moonlight as a #2"), and as down on the rest as most

- The projections really hate Fields, though the more subjective analysis was kinder

 

On the surface, Fields’ rookie season looks like a disaster from a statistical perspective. With a little digging, though, there are some encouraging signs to be found for the former Buckeyes star. For one, Fields was pretty solid for a rookie when not pressured, and non-pressured play tends to be more stable than pressured play. Fields threw for 7.9 yards per pass without pressure, which was above the league average and the highest mark among the 2021 rookies. His 38.3% DVOA without pressure was a tick below average, but that’s fine for a rookie, and it was still the second-best figure among first-year passers, trailing only Mac Jones. Granted, he was pressured at the highest rate in the NFL, part of which is his fault for being inclined to hold onto the ball and search for big plays, and he produced quite poorly when pressured. Hopefully some of that can regress to the mean.

 

Fields’ other notable split is how much higher he ranked among starters the further he threw the ball. His -4.5% DVOA on short passes was the only negative figure in the league among qualifying passers. On medium passes, his DVOA climbed up to 44.0%, which was respectable but still below average. Fields shined most on deep passes, earning an above-average 63.6% DVOA, which is hardly surprising given his booming arm strength and unwavering aggression. Time will tell if Chicago’s new coaching staff can better unlock Fields’ strengths and help mitigate some of his weaknesses.

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Football Outsiders released their almanac today. Not a ton of interesting stuff in there for the Bears. Mostly echoing the consensus of wanting to have done more for Fields.

 

- Bears come in at 26th in projected DVOA, 27th on offense, 10th in defense, and 9th in special teams

- FO doesn't like the Bears' O-line, but does seem to like aspects. It likes the Patrick pickup, it likes loading up on day 3 picks, it thinks Jenkins is a worthwhile gamble, it's just all not enough considering the starting point (#23 O-line last year, and James Daniels was their top rated guy). They don't have individual player projections for the O-line, but you do get the sense that upgrading from Mustipher with a late sign or trade would improve the outlook pretty dramatically

- FO REALLY hates the Bears WR core. They're lukewarm on Mooney ("an effective speedster WR3 who could moonlight as a #2"), and as down on the rest as most

- The projections really hate Fields, though the more subjective analysis was kinder

 

On the surface, Fields’ rookie season looks like a disaster from a statistical perspective. With a little digging, though, there are some encouraging signs to be found for the former Buckeyes star. For one, Fields was pretty solid for a rookie when not pressured, and non-pressured play tends to be more stable than pressured play. Fields threw for 7.9 yards per pass without pressure, which was above the league average and the highest mark among the 2021 rookies. His 38.3% DVOA without pressure was a tick below average, but that’s fine for a rookie, and it was still the second-best figure among first-year passers, trailing only Mac Jones. Granted, he was pressured at the highest rate in the NFL, part of which is his fault for being inclined to hold onto the ball and search for big plays, and he produced quite poorly when pressured. Hopefully some of that can regress to the mean.

 

Fields’ other notable split is how much higher he ranked among starters the further he threw the ball. His -4.5% DVOA on short passes was the only negative figure in the league among qualifying passers. On medium passes, his DVOA climbed up to 44.0%, which was respectable but still below average. Fields shined most on deep passes, earning an above-average 63.6% DVOA, which is hardly surprising given his booming arm strength and unwavering aggression. Time will tell if Chicago’s new coaching staff can better unlock Fields’ strengths and help mitigate some of his weaknesses.

 

That's pretty much where I am with everything. 27th on offense is actually higher than I would have expected by 1 or 2 spots. But I do think this is a top 10 defense and a potentially good special teams group. I think a key will be Fields not turning the ball over. I think the staff is really focusing on the short stuff. The Shanahan offense is full of playaction, rolling pockets, quick reads and getting the ball out quick. I think Fields' struggled there last year because he simply didn't want to take that stuff. And when he did, he was basically forced to throw short because of quick pressure.

 

But if he cuts out the fumbles (the INTs weren't really that bad overall), the offense can be serviceable, while bad. We've seen teams get by on a bad OL. We've seen teams produce despite poor WRs. And I think protecting the ball, combined with that top 10 defense and everyone buying in with optimism of a 1st year coach, the Bears can be better than many think (think 2020 WFT).

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OK, that move is awesome. Big upside, no downside. 7th round pick 2 years from now is the equivalent of nothing. Harry still has some upside in the right system. Also fits the X WR need the Bears have had all offseason. They can probably cut dude who got arrested last week and get some solid PR out of this whole thing.
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Not that he's infallible but if Bill Belichick is dumping a 2019 1st round pick for a 7th rounder I'm pretty sure he sucks. But whatever, like pointed out its very low risk with a small chance of unlocking that potential. His skill set does fit well opposite Mooney if he can prove he can start.
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Not that he's infallible but if Bill Belichick is dumping a 2019 1st round pick for a 7th rounder I'm pretty sure he sucks. But whatever, like pointed out its very low risk with a small chance of unlocking that potential. His skill set does fit well opposite Mooney if he can prove he can start.

 

He was going to be cut. Bears gave up the pick to not give him an open market. The Patriots run a pretty adaptable scheme, but I do think Harry is a better fit in the Shanahan scheme the Bears project to run. He's a good and willing blocker, which helps in outside zone. He's a big body who can shield defenders on a slant, which is good on RPOs. He doesn't separate or get open well, so you have to create separation for him at times. And the Shanahan O is big on making pass plays look like run (whether playaction or thru blocking scheme) so that will help Harry create some space.

 

He and St. Brown are the only true X WR types the Bears have on the roster, and they are pretty similar low risk gambles. I think he'll make the team over guys like Moore, Sharpe, and Pettis; which makes him the 5th or 6th WR. If between he and St Brown you can get one of those guys to give you 20-30 catches (30-40 combined), then I'd call it a success.

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Fields thread. I think he makes some good points. Hopefully his mechanical changes help him be better in the pocket but also hopefully he's allowed to run an offense that better fits his strengths.

 

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Fields thread. I think he makes some good points. Hopefully his mechanical changes help him be better in the pocket but also hopefully he's allowed to run an offense that better fits his strengths.

 

 

Yeah, just felt like he wasn't comfortable with what he was seeing. Funny because he made the comment about the game being slow to him in preseason, but it definitely seemed like he had trouble processing quickly enough. I was especially concerned about him being seemingly unsure about basic concepts and coverages that he mastered at Ohio St. Like there were RPOs he didn't pull the trigger on and took sacks. And because they were RPOs (run blocking OL), it made the OL look much worse because of quick pressure, but the ball should be gone almost instantly. It's not like he's a dumb dude either. Historic wonderlic test, IIRC for whatever that's worth.

 

But anyway, I do truly believe that a full camp will help him improve on this. The mechanics fix will help with the timing and get the ball released a split second quicker, but I think it's more mental than mechanical for him. Trusting what he sees. And that's why I'm pretty bullish on Getsy. Fields was one of the best deep ball passers in the league. He also was amazing throwing on the move (5 of 7 TD passes were on the move, only ones that weren't were touch pass to Grant vs. GB, quick hitter to Byrd also vs GB). And is crazy as it sounds, he just needs to get comfortable not looking to go deep or escape the pocket. Sure, he can be very successful doing what he does. But for him to meet his immense upside, he has to be able to make quick reads and get the ball to playmakers quickly. Him being a playmaker on his own is just icing on the cake. And I think that's what is meant by "doesn't need much help".

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Is there more to this made up conversation than what I read on this blog? Is there a link to page 2 or something?

No. Maybe he'll go on that Irish podcast and share more though lol.

 

Sorry I should have warned the link didn't really give any "information" that couldn't be guessed at.

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A 2nd round holdout feels really rare. And honestly sours me on him from the jump.

Why wouldn’t this sour you on what has been to date, a very questionable front office, to put it mildly?

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