Bears off-season thread 2022

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm mulling over the scenarios where I'd want the Bears to trade up today. On the one hand, the Bears need depth and there might be something to be said for trading back from 39 or 48 tomorrow for an extra third or fourth round pick. On the other hand, there are some intriguing names at WR and OL that could/should be available around the back half of the first round, and if it means increasing the odds of hitting on an offensive player, the Bears need to take it.

 

Much like everything, it is situational. Additionally, most of us likely are not huge fans of trading up for guys following Pace's tenure, so I can understand if most everyone here would be against the idea of doing it.

I will keep pounding the table that the only trade up idea that makes sense is to use 39+48 to get into the late first and stay still in the late 2nd. Depending on exact trade value chart, 30+62 for 39+48 is a good framework to start from. Just really want them to not dip back below 6 total pucks, so gotta stay pick nuetral at least.

[raw]

I'm mulling over the scenarios where I'd want the Bears to trade up today. On the one hand, the Bears need depth and there might be something to be said for trading back from 39 or 48 tomorrow for an extra third or fourth round pick. On the other hand, there are some intriguing names at WR and OL that could/should be available around the back half of the first round, and if it means increasing the odds of hitting on an offensive player, the Bears need to take it.

 

Much like everything, it is situational. Additionally, most of us likely are not huge fans of trading up for guys following Pace's tenure, so I can understand if most everyone here would be against the idea of doing it.

I will keep pounding the table that the only trade up idea that makes sense is to use 39+48 to get into the late first and stay still in the late 2nd. Depending on exact trade value chart, 30+62 for 39+48 is a good framework to start from. Just really want them to not dip back below 6 total pucks, so gotta stay pick nuetral at least.

 

I'd probably be OK with this type of move. Ironically, there may be some ability to pull this exact move off as Ryan Poles' old team, has both of those picks. They also have pick 29 from the Tyreke Hill trade. That also could provide incentive for the Bears to move up, as 1) the Chiefs could potentially take WR5 or WR6 off the board and 2) would get the Bears ahead of the Lions at 32 and 34 who may take a WR at either pick. And in a time where WR money is become a huge issue around the league, the Bears could really see the upside to getting a 5th year option on a WR, which could delay big money issues for an additional year.

 

And if the Bears are hellbent on getting WR and OL help, this may be a good idea as the WR(s) they like most could be gone by 39. And unless a 1st round talented OL falls, the difference between the options at 39-48 (Tyler Smith, maybe Bernhard Raimann) aren't that much better than the guys that could be on the board at 60 (Cole Strange, Dylan Parham, Ed Ingram) and the guys in the latter group were college guards unless Smith or Raimann who would either change to a position they haven't played or move someone else (Borom/Jenkins) to guard.

[JeffH]

In that scenario, could ask KC for 121 or 135 also to fill up that R4 vacancy.

[raw]

In that scenario, could ask KC for 121 or 135 also to fill up that R4 vacancy.

 

Think that's too much to ask. Bears are the ones trading up here. Hard to get an extra pick out of that scenario. If they wanted an extra pick at that point, they'd probably have to trade down from 71, though a 4th would be hard to come by unless it's a trade down probably to the 90s.

[Tryptamine]

If it's not Olave near the end of the 1st round, then I don't really have much interest in trading up.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm mulling over the scenarios where I'd want the Bears to trade up today. On the one hand, the Bears need depth and there might be something to be said for trading back from 39 or 48 tomorrow for an extra third or fourth round pick. On the other hand, there are some intriguing names at WR and OL that could/should be available around the back half of the first round, and if it means increasing the odds of hitting on an offensive player, the Bears need to take it.

 

Much like everything, it is situational. Additionally, most of us likely are not huge fans of trading up for guys following Pace's tenure, so I can understand if most everyone here would be against the idea of doing it.

I will keep pounding the table that the only trade up idea that makes sense is to use 39+48 to get into the late first and stay still in the late 2nd. Depending on exact trade value chart, 30+62 for 39+48 is a good framework to start from. Just really want them to not dip back below 6 total pucks, so gotta stay pick nuetral at least.

 

I'd probably be OK with this type of move. Ironically, there may be some ability to pull this exact move off as Ryan Poles' old team, has both of those picks. They also have pick 29 from the Tyreke Hill trade. That also could provide incentive for the Bears to move up, as 1) the Chiefs could potentially take WR5 or WR6 off the board and 2) would get the Bears ahead of the Lions at 32 and 34 who may take a WR at either pick. And in a time where WR money is become a huge issue around the league, the Bears could really see the upside to getting a 5th year option on a WR, which could delay big money issues for an additional year.

 

And if the Bears are hellbent on getting WR and OL help, this may be a good idea as the WR(s) they like most could be gone by 39. And unless a 1st round talented OL falls, the difference between the options at 39-48 (Tyler Smith, maybe Bernhard Raimann) aren't that much better than the guys that could be on the board at 60 (Cole Strange, Dylan Parham, Ed Ingram) and the guys in the latter group were college guards unless Smith or Raimann who would either change to a position they haven't played or move someone else (Borom/Jenkins) to guard.

Exactly right. 30+62 certainly wasn't accidental given all those circumstances that make it make tons of sense.

[WrigleyField 22]

In that scenario, could ask KC for 121 or 135 also to fill up that R4 vacancy.

 

Think that's too much to ask. Bears are the ones trading up here. Hard to get an extra pick out of that scenario. If they wanted an extra pick at that point, they'd probably have to trade down from 71, though a 4th would be hard to come by unless it's a trade down probably to the 90s.

Yea I'd love to tack on 121 and some trade charts would support that. So theres always some back and forth, but being the team trading up probably hurts leverage in that case. But if your the Bears you're doing it because the guy at 30 is rated much higher and above your comparable players in whatever groups make up your next 9 options.

 

I just have basically no interest in walking out of the weekend without 6 picks. Saw somewhere the Bears already have the least amount of 90 man guys. So they're already primed to be active in UDFA and the post draft FA market.

 

Oh on the note, the comp pick dreams for 2023 officially die for the Bears on Monday. The new rules have clearly made it much easier for teams and players to wait out the market for comp pick planning reasons.

[raw]

Also, pulled off the perfect mock draft yesterday.

 

39- Perrion Winfrey, DT, Oklahoma. Love his fit at 3-tech. He's kind of raw as a former JUCO guy, but he has the length that Eberflus looks for on the DL. 35" arms, quick get off. I do wonder if his big Senior Bowl week and combine might push him into the 1st, but was able to snag him here.

 

48- George Pickens, WR, Georgia. Potential WR1 in this draft if he didn't tear his ACL in the spring. Bears are said to love him as a prospect.

 

71- Channing Tindall, LB, Georgia. This is kind of the sweet spot for LBs. Colts and Chiefs like LBs on Day 2. Chiefs drafted LBs in the 2nd round each of the last 2 years. Colts got both their LBs on Day 2 as well. Both Colts and Chiefs have a history of going after speed/length at LB. Nobody has the great length of Darius Leonard in this draft class (except for Brandon Smith, who sucks), but the hot spot for speed guys is in the 3rd-4th round range. With no 4th, the Bears have to go for a long-term answer at LB at 71.

 

5th- Domonique Robinson, DE, Miami (OH). May be out of reach here, but consistently available here on mocks. Long, raw DE who played WR in Miami as recently as 2019. Looks like a pass rush specialist early. Good option for 4th DE to spell guys on long 3rd downs.

 

6th- Cade Mays, OG, Tennessee. I made this pick in the 5th on my mock, but he was ranked 182nd on the site I was using. This would be pick 183 if I made the pick swap for Cooks (also makes sense, Texans have no 5th and have two 6ths). Chiefs drafted his teammate Trey Smith last year, who I LOVED last draft. Started every game for them I believe. Fell due to heart issues in the past. But both UT guards were ballers together in 2020. Mays was highly recruited and transferred from UGA. G/C versatility

 

6th- Kalon Barnes, CB Baylor. Guarantees in life are death, taxes, and Chiefs going for speed. Chiefs have drafted guys with a top 5 40-yard dash at the combine in all but 2 years since 2015, and one of those years they didn't Tyreke Hill ran 4.29 at his pro day because he wasn't invited to the combine. I don't love the player, but Poles will undoubtedly love the speed.

 

This was my pre-free agency mock. Obviously, I thought the Bears would do more in free agency on the OL. Now, they pretty much have to take OL with one of the 1st 3 picks. I do still think a lot of these guys could be targets, though may need to be in different spots.

 

39- I honestly think George Pickens is the target here. Can't get Fields' old Ohio St teammates (Wilson, Olave, Williams). Pickens was his 7 on 7 teammate, and was one of the reason Pickens chose Georgia and considered changing his commit when Fields transferred before Pickens' freshman year. Bears didn't really visit with him, but could be a meeting that wasn't publicized or one they didn't have to do much research on due to Fields knowing him well. A guy that Mooney singled out by name, last week, as a potential add to the WR room.

 

If he's gone: Winfrey, Logan Hall at DT are options (Winfrey measurements, met with Hall). They haven't really been connected to any other defensive position early, though I'd imagine if a top CB or S falls they'd be in on that. Other than that, I think it's watch who falls from the 1st. Treylon Burks, Tyler Linderbaum, Kenyon Green, Nakobe Dean have all been rumored fallers.

 

48- If not Pickens at 39, the Bears have shown interest in Christian Watson as well as Alec Pierce. Not a huge fan of either as THE big move at WR of the offseason. Both have a long way to go to be #1 types. But I think they have to go WR at one of these 2. Even moreso than OL, which is a bigger need with no capable starter at RG.

 

WR, Hall, DB, or OL like Tyler Smith or Bernhard Raimann are options here if on the board. Prime trade down spot as well.

 

71- Obviously depends on the first 2 picks. I do think they'll take defense at least 1 time in the first 3 picks. This is a good spot for every defensive position, except DT.....which is why I have that position as 2nd round options.

 

39/48 both on O- this is still the sweet spot for LBs. Tindall, Brian Asamoah, Troy Andersen.

39/48 one on O, other on D- this has to be WR or OL, whichever they pass on earlier. Cole Strange, Jamaree Salyer, Dylan Parham, Zach Tom, several options here.

 

5th- again trade down from one of these picks to get more late picks is possible. But this is where I think you see the athletes. Guys who blew up the combine or pro day. High RAS scores, especially CBs, WRs, Front 4 players.

 

6th- they'll take someone that most haven't heard of, probably a UDFA type who they really like or maybe a RB if they get an extra pick here or later.

[JeffH]

If I had to put money on one specific player being a Bear on Friday morning, it's Logan Hall.

[WrigleyField 22]

If I had to put money on one specific player being a Bear on Friday morning, it's Logan Hall.

Its not a terrible bet. 3T is the only affirmative thing Poles has really shown was a priority.

[minnesotacubsfan]

this is the first draft since before the Urlacher/Brown draft that I'm generally not interested in

 

go bears?

[We Got The Whole 9]

It's crazy how horsefeathering late this thing starts for us East Coasters

[Splendid Splinter]

At this rate, Alec Pierce might not even be there for the Bears at 39.

[WrigleyField 22]

At this rate, Alec Pierce might not even be there for the Bears at 39.

Ultimately some good players will fall at other positions so I'm good.

 

And I'm gonna laugh laugh laugh at the people who didn't believe on spending in FA and just knew they could precisely fill every need with picks 39, 48, and 71.

[Outshined_One]

You can make a good argument for a trade down from 39 at the rate things are going.

[WrigleyField 22]

So who's your top 7 heading into tomorrow?

 

My hot take top 7 (not necessarily in order)

 

George Pickens

Bernhard Raimann

Logan Hall

Dylan Parham

Skyy Moore

Jalen Pitre

Roger McCreary

 

But I'm not sure I'm so confident in the difference between 4-7 and what would probably be there like 10 slots later. Sooo trade down?

[Old Style]

The more I read about Christian Watson the more I want him. Admittedly I haven’t watched any tape though. Just reading scouting reports.

[UK]

So who's your top 7 heading into tomorrow?

 

My hot take top 7 (not necessarily in order)

 

George Pickens

Bernhard Raimann

Logan Hall

Dylan Parham

Skyy Moore

Jalen Pitre

Roger McCreary

 

But I'm not sure I'm so confident in the difference between 4-7 and what would probably be there like 10 slots later. Sooo trade down?

 

Andrew Booth

Nakobe Dean

Boye Mafe

Kyler Gordon

Arnold Ebiketie

Christian Harris

Travis Jones

Jaylen Pitre

Bernard Raimann

[Splendid Splinter]

Pickens or Watson

Reimann or Parham

Hall or Perrion Winfrey

Pitre or Jaquan Brisker

Andrew Booth Jr or Kyler Gordon

Nakobe Dean

David Ojabo or Arnold Ebiketie

 

Poles is going to be in a good spot at 39 to get his BPA or trade down. Never great to be getting like the 7th-8th WR or OL in the draft as your first pick, but there's some really good value at other positions. Mostly defensive players though.

 

I see him sticking at 39 and then trading down on 48.

[UK]

Pickens or Watson

Reimann or Parham

Hall or Perrion Winfrey

Pitre or Jaquan Brisker

Andrew Booth Jr or Kyler Gordon

Nakobe Dean

David Ojabo or Arnold Ebiketie

 

Poles is going to be in a good spot at 39 to get his BPA or trade down. Never great to be getting like the 7th-8th WR or OL in the draft as your first pick, but there's some really good value at other positions. Mostly defensive players though.

 

I see him sticking at 39 and then trading down on 48.

 

Luckily for the Bears (minus QB and HB), every position is a position of need.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Mafe would be a fun pick

[raw]

My top available (somewhat in order, needs not considered)

 

Andrew Booth Jr

Nakobe Dean

George Pickens

Perrion Winfrey

Malik Willis

Logan Hall

Skyy Moore

David Ojabo

Jaquan Brisker

Christian Watson

Bernhard Raimann

Dylan Parham

Desmond Ridder

Jalen Pitre

Kyler Gordon

 

Pickens obviously still my primary target, but if they could potentially wait to get him at 48, that opens up a whole lot at 39. Obviously, not interested in taking Willis, but if the Bears have to choose from a couple of Booth, Dean, Winfrey and Hall....that'd be nice, especially if you have Moore and Watson still on the board with Pickens.

 

My nightmare is they love Raimann at LT (moving Jenkins or Borom to RG) and then take Alec Pierce at 48. Be a huge letdown for me, and I don't hate either guy, just don't like their fits.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I'm not really interested in moving down at all, I feel like there is still some quality for Poles to grab (as raw is pointing out) with his 2nd's, that's exactly what he should do

[Bertz]

I'm not really interested in moving down at all, I feel like there is still some quality for Poles to grab (as raw is pointing out) with his 2nd's, that's exactly what he should do

 

For me I think you move down if one of the extra picks is high enough to still be today, otherwise yeah I think there's enough on the board to just play it straight and make the picks as they lie.

[UMFan83]

lol Hub