Week 6: Bears vs. Packers

[UMFan83]

And horsefeathers that POS Rodgers with his "I own you" horsefeathers at the end.

 

Rodgers:

 

 

Rodgers DOES own us. As do the Packers.

 

Since 1992:

 

Rodgers: 22-5

Favre: 22-10

Some other dude: 1-0

 

Packers are 45-15 against the Bears over the last 60 games, and have only played 3 QB's. By contrast, the Bears have played 35 QB's in those games

 

Yeah we know

[Derwood]

Yeah, we know. I can't get mad at Rodgers about kicking our ass repeatedly when our stupid team keeps being stupid. He has every right to gloat

[Sammy Sofa]

Especially if the Bears and Bears are fans continue to act like it's some huge deal if they can beat GB. Like, why WOULDN'T he talk horsefeathers in the face of that?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Especially if the Bears and Bears are fans continue to act like it's some huge deal if they can beat GB. Like, why WOULDN'T he talk horsefeathers in the face of that?

It is a big deal to beat GB: they generally are in line to win the division, thus the team to beat. And that's not just because we've had 35 QBs, it's because they've been insanely lucky going back to back w/HoF QBs

[Sammy Sofa]

Especially if the Bears and Bears are fans continue to act like it's some huge deal if they can beat GB. Like, why WOULDN'T he talk horsefeathers in the face of that?

It is a big deal to beat GB: they generally are in line to win the division, thus the team to beat. And that's not just because we've had 35 QBs, it's because they've been insanely lucky going back to back w/HoF QBs

 

I'm just saying that when the fanbase and the team very clearly and loudly act like it's a big deal, then acting like Rodgers talking horsefeathers is some terrible slight is more than a bit ridiculous.

[Brian707]

 

I'm just saying that when the fanbase and the team very clearly and loudly act like it's a big deal, then acting like Rodgers talking horsefeathers is some terrible slight is more than a bit ridiculous.

 

 

There are Bears fans who would rather go 2-15 if both wins are vs Green Bay than 15-2 if both loses were vs Green Bay.

 

[jumbo]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

Fields has to be good on a really strong scale IMO. It's not enough to develop Fields, there has to be strong offense output.

 

But there's also a somewhat related point. This offense might just not be good enough of a supporting cast for Fields to put up strong numbers. While that isn't an indictment of Nagy, it is of Pace. And Pace should be on shaky footing IMO too. And Nagy certainly can't survive Pace getting the axe.

 

And if Pace and Nagy never got secret extensions, Pace's contract is done this year and Nagy is entering a lame duck final year. So it's likely a choice between cutting ties or re-upping to the tune of 3-4 years.

 

I think Pace is more or less avaerage when it comes to the draft. He has hit on late rounds studs/steals. He has blown early picks. It is a crap shoot for most teams to some degree.

His big weakness is his use of multiple picks to get one player (Anthony Miller, David Montgomery, Jenkins)

 

He's had some success in FA, but also made some really bad calls: Jimmy Graham at his price, Quinn was looking bad but may have turned things around - too soon to say, choosing Trevathan over Kwitkowski, Dion Sims for $15MM. Happens to every GM, I know. Hicks was a brilliant signing, so were so many other rotational DL, ARob was a great signing. The QB's I'll put on Nagy, as I don't think Pace targets either without Nagy's input.

 

To sum up, I'd be fine with moving on from Pace for his handling of the OL the last few years. The rest of his track record seems about league average.

[jersey cubs fan]

The QB's I'll put on Nagy, as I don't think Pace targets either without Nagy's input.

 

But Nagy signed Glennon and drafted Trubisky.

[jumbo]

The QB's I'll put on Nagy, as I don't think Pace targets either without Nagy's input.

 

But Nagy signed Glennon and drafted Trubisky.

 

True, I forgot Glennon. The Trubisky part was in my FA comments, so wasn't considering him in that category, though obviously picking Deshaun was the no-brainer that no was not, but fair point.

[BigSlick]

I still can't believe we drafted Mitch Trubisky 2nd overall. Good god.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

Fields has to be good on a really strong scale IMO. It's not enough to develop Fields, there has to be strong offense output.

 

But there's also a somewhat related point. This offense might just not be good enough of a supporting cast for Fields to put up strong numbers. While that isn't an indictment of Nagy, it is of Pace. And Pace should be on shaky footing IMO too. And Nagy certainly can't survive Pace getting the axe.

 

And if Pace and Nagy never got secret extensions, Pace's contract is done this year and Nagy is entering a lame duck final year. So it's likely a choice between cutting ties or re-upping to the tune of 3-4 years.

 

I think Pace is more or less avaerage when it comes to the draft. He has hit on late rounds studs/steals. He has blown early picks. It is a crap shoot for most teams to some degree.

His big weakness is his use of multiple picks to get one player (Anthony Miller, David Montgomery, Jenkins)

 

He's had some success in FA, but also made some really bad calls: Jimmy Graham at his price, Quinn was looking bad but may have turned things around - too soon to say, choosing Trevathan over Kwitkowski, Dion Sims for $15MM. Happens to every GM, I know. Hicks was a brilliant signing, so were so many other rotational DL, ARob was a great signing. The QB's I'll put on Nagy, as I don't think Pace targets either without Nagy's input.

 

To sum up, I'd be fine with moving on from Pace for his handling of the OL the last few years. The rest of his track record seems about league average.

I think average is fair for Pace. I just also really don't care about arguing the specifics of him anymore. There isn't only one way to be a good exec, but the sum of the parts hasn't added up. Nothing else really matters. Rams have splurged with early picks too and they're one of the strongest teams. You just gotta be good at whatever strategy you use.

 

There is part of me that feels like Pace is actually really good at building out an organization. When you looks at their successes it does seem like things that are possible only by building out a really great top to bottom personnel department that communicates well. But on the higher touch or broader strategic thinking, it's not working out for various reasons. Again the specific reasons don't matter too much to me though.

 

I've seen some people throw out a president of football ops role for Pace. If he truely wants to step aside and maybe see what a guy like Champ Kelly can do as the top decision maker I guess I'd be open to it, but Pace has to cede full roster and coach control. So really not much different than being axed either. But whatever. I don't see him as the top decision maker role, which is what's important. And he does actually have to fully step aside or else you run into issues of blocking/protecting staff, like a new GM.

[gflore34]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

 

There's a large body of evidence to suggest a big offensive leap coinciding with an improving Fields is never going to happen with Nagy. Today' NFL is all about offense, seems 3/4 of league with various weaknesses and strengths can still move the ball and score points at will, it starts at the top.

[BigSlick]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

 

There's a large body of evidence to suggest a big offensive leap coinciding with an improving Fields is never going to happen with Nagy. Today' NFL is all about offense, seems 3/4 of league with various weaknesses and strengths can still move the ball and score points at will, it starts at the top.

 

Honestly, is it Nagy's full part? The Bears couldn't get a consistently good offense with Lovie Smith. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with Marc Trestman. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with John Fox (lol). They haven't been able to get a consistently good offense with Nagy.

 

Talent acquisition has to be a huge part of the problem here.

Edited October 19, 2021 by BigSlick

[gflore34]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

 

There's a large body of evidence to suggest a big offensive leap coinciding with an improving Fields is never going to happen with Nagy. Today' NFL is all about offense, seems 3/4 of league with various weaknesses and strengths can still move the ball and score points at will, it starts at the top.

 

Honestly, is it Nagy's full part? The Bears couldn't get a consistently good offense with Lovie Smith. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with Matt Trestman. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with John Fox (lol). They haven't been able to get a consistently good offense with Nagy.

 

Talent acquisition has to be a huge part of the problem here.

 

Agreed a large part of the blame is on Pace as well, that's why they both should be shown the door after this season.

[champaignchris]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

 

There's a large body of evidence to suggest a big offensive leap coinciding with an improving Fields is never going to happen with Nagy. Today' NFL is all about offense, seems 3/4 of league with various weaknesses and strengths can still move the ball and score points at will, it starts at the top.

 

Honestly, is it Nagy's full part? The Bears couldn't get a consistently good offense with Lovie Smith. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with Marc Trestman. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with John Fox (lol). They haven't been able to get a consistently good offense with Nagy.

 

Talent acquisition has to be a huge part of the problem here.

 

The Bears were top half of the League in offensive yards from scrimmage in every season under Ditka except his first. In the 28 seasons since then, they’ve only managed it 5 times, while being bottom 5 in the League 7 times. This season is looking like a strong bid to be the 8th time in 29 seasons the Bears are in the bottom 5 in offensive yards.

 

In those 30 years, the Bears can’t seem to acquire a franchise qb, essentially refuse to draft and develop offensive linemen, and have failed to develop the wide receivers they’ve drafted into impact players.

[UMFan83]

I don't think Nagy's fate is sealed, nor do I think it should be. The most important thing is seeing improvement from Fields and feeling secure he's on the right path by the end of the season. Everything else is icing on the cake.

 

If Fields looks pretty damn competent and confident by the end of the season I think Nagy keeps his job (and justifiably so!)

 

There's a large body of evidence to suggest a big offensive leap coinciding with an improving Fields is never going to happen with Nagy. Today' NFL is all about offense, seems 3/4 of league with various weaknesses and strengths can still move the ball and score points at will, it starts at the top.

 

Honestly, is it Nagy's full part? The Bears couldn't get a consistently good offense with Lovie Smith. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with Marc Trestman. They couldn't get a consistently good offense with John Fox (lol). They haven't been able to get a consistently good offense with Nagy.

 

Talent acquisition has to be a huge part of the problem here.

 

The difference is that Trestman and Nagy are the only 2 that you mention that came in as offensive minded head coaches. Trestman managed to put a legitimately good offense on the field in his first season, possibly better than any other Bears offense since the early 90s plus his defense was bottom of the league so its not like they were scoring because the defense was putting them in good positions (though I guess you could say the defense being a sieve allowed them to have more offensive possessions to score their points). Nagy had one average offensive year which was largely aided by an elite defense that forced a crapload of turnovers and then its been worse every season.