2021 Offseason Thread

[Bertz]

 

Hmm

 

I guess this means Conforto is healthy, since who the hell else is available to reallocate those funds to?

 

I really hope Jed pulls the trigger on this though. The most obvious iteration is something like Hosmer + Hassell + Paddack for Mills and a little bit of filler. That said, the Padres still have enough on the farm that you can find worthwhile versions even if Hassell is untouchable.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Hmm

 

I guess this means Conforto is healthy, since who the hell else is available to reallocate those funds to?

 

I really hope Jed pulls the trigger on this though. The most obvious iteration is something like Hosmer + Hassell + Paddack for Mills and a little bit of filler. That said, the Padres still have enough on the farm that you can find worthwhile versions even if Hassell is untouchable.

 

Could also be money for extensions(Cronenworth, Grisham), breathing room for the deadline, or simply an ownership mandate that they have to get under 190 or so. If it were any of those I wouldn't be surprised to see someone like Ortega be the guy instead of Mills, would fit a more present need and can be optioned. There's also the possibility that this is the way to make a Contreras/Campusano deal work for all parties.

[Cubswin11]

Really does seem like there could be three way potential. Smith-Paddack swap for Mets-Padres, Hosmer (with us paying all or majority of salary) to us + prospects and us sending out something small like a Mills, Alcantara or Rivas or something or maybe even make it bigger and send Happ or something out and get Profar or McNeil back.

[Bertz]

 

This would seem like a bit of a half measure from the Padres. That said getting out from ~half of Hosmer's contract and only giving up Paddack still makes a lot of sense.

 

If the Cubs' version of a trade would look similar it becomes much less impactful, but also much less risky. I'd still like to pull the trigger. You're essentially signing Paddack to something like 3/45 (pending exactly what he'd make in arb)

[Cubswin11]

I get it’s more buying pitching but I don’t get how Hosmer fits on the Mets. Obviously have Alonso at 1B and then have a bunch of single position/DH types in Cano, Escobar, Davis, Canha as well.

[Tryptamine]

Well that's quite the missed opportunity. Paddack would have been a great get.

[Bertz]

 

?!?

[Tim]

 

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I'd really like to throw a Hosmer + Paddack + Gore for Happ with no money trading hands out to the Padres to see what they say. I've seen reports that Gore is looking much better this spring.

[Bertz]

 

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I'd really like to throw a Hosmer + Paddack + Gore for Happ with no money trading hands out to the Padres to see what they say. I've seen reports that Gore is looking much better this spring.

 

Wringing as much from Preller as possible certainly feels like the ideal. That said the Mets have pieces I'd gladly take for half of Hosmer's contract. I believe they've been pretty clear about JD Davis and Jeff McNeil being in the block. I'd LOVE McNeil on the Cubs.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wringing as much from Preller as possible certainly feels like the ideal. That said the Mets have pieces I'd gladly take for half of Hosmer's contract. I believe they've been pretty clear about JD Davis and Jeff McNeil being in the block. I'd LOVE McNeil on the Cubs.

 

Would they have Cano playing 2B then? I have a hard time seeing them trading Smith and McNeil at once, even if a Happ/Ortega was coming back. But I'm also lukewarm on McNeil, he turns 30 next week and while I get the buy low possibility and several years of control, it's the type of profile I think you try to grow rather than paying 10 million/year (including the portion of Hosmer) for in a trade.

[Cubswin11]

Wringing as much from Preller as possible certainly feels like the ideal. That said the Mets have pieces I'd gladly take for half of Hosmer's contract. I believe they've been pretty clear about JD Davis and Jeff McNeil being in the block. I'd LOVE McNeil on the Cubs.

 

Would they have Cano playing 2B then? I have a hard time seeing them trading Smith and McNeil at once, even if a Happ/Ortega was coming back. But I'm also lukewarm on McNeil, he turns 30 next week and while I get the buy low possibility and several years of control, it's the type of profile I think you try to grow rather than paying 10 million/year (including the portion of Hosmer) for in a trade.

Cano, Gulliorme or Eduardo Escobar at 2B and then Escobar/Davis at 3B. In theory we could be sending out Wisdom, Alcantara or Happ (who maybe can play some IF) in any trade as well.

[Backtobanks]

 

Hmm

That trade makes no sense for the Mets, imo, even if they need pitching. Smith can play some OF at least. Hosmer is 1B/DH only and so is Alonso and then they got Cano, Davis, Canha, McNeil who all really can’t play a lot of (if any) positions positively and probably should be DH’s.

Back2Banks this is your time to shine, bud! 3 team trade ideas needed!

 

Padres get Bote, Smith, Mills, Ortega

Mets get Paddack, Pagan

Cubs get Hosmer, Campusano, Gore, McNeil

 

No money involved.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Wringing as much from Preller as possible certainly feels like the ideal. That said the Mets have pieces I'd gladly take for half of Hosmer's contract. I believe they've been pretty clear about JD Davis and Jeff McNeil being in the block. I'd LOVE McNeil on the Cubs.

 

Would they have Cano playing 2B then? I have a hard time seeing them trading Smith and McNeil at once, even if a Happ/Ortega was coming back. But I'm also lukewarm on McNeil, he turns 30 next week and while I get the buy low possibility and several years of control, it's the type of profile I think you try to grow rather than paying 10 million/year (including the portion of Hosmer) for in a trade.

Cano, Gulliorme or Eduardo Escobar at 2B and then Escobar/Davis at 3B. In theory we could be sending out Wisdom, Alcantara or Happ (who maybe can play some IF) in any trade as well.

 

Feels like a 'to what end?' type of thing for the Mets, like yeah I can maybe shuffle it to not have a gaping chasm, but a few days before the season why would they rush to that outcome? Also Alcantara was traded to Arizona after his DFA, Happ has barely played on the IF the last few years(on top of currently rehabbing during ST), and Wisdom would be our own version of 'to what end?'.

[Bertz]

 

Would they have Cano playing 2B then? I have a hard time seeing them trading Smith and McNeil at once, even if a Happ/Ortega was coming back. But I'm also lukewarm on McNeil, he turns 30 next week and while I get the buy low possibility and several years of control, it's the type of profile I think you try to grow rather than paying 10 million/year (including the portion of Hosmer) for in a trade.

Cano, Gulliorme or Eduardo Escobar at 2B and then Escobar/Davis at 3B. In theory we could be sending out Wisdom, Alcantara or Happ (who maybe can play some IF) in any trade as well.

 

Feels like a 'to what end?' type of thing for the Mets, like yeah I can maybe shuffle it to not have a gaping chasm, but a few days before the season why would they rush to that outcome? Also Alcantara was traded to Arizona after his DFA, Happ has barely played on the IF the last few years(on top of currently rehabbing during ST), and Wisdom would be our own version of 'to what end?'.

 

I mean I think the end would be reinforcing their suddenly ailing rotation. Here in the first week of April, their options for adding someone of consequence are the Padres and the A's. The A's guys are likely going to take pretty significant prospect capital to acquire, while in this scenario they're getting Paddack for some of the IF depth they've been dangling all winter anyway.

[Bertz]

 

I guess it's another day on Hosmer watch? Manaea's $9M salary matches up pretty perfectly with dumping half of Hosmer's $18M.

 

That said I kind of wonder if this was actually a fallback plan to bringing in a higher priced OFer. If Preller's financial goal is just to stay under the tax, he can do that in far easier ways than a Hosmer deal. Also upgrading from Paddack to Manaea would not nearly be worth all the contortions.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

That trade makes no sense for the Mets, imo, even if they need pitching. Smith can play some OF at least. Hosmer is 1B/DH only and so is Alonso and then they got Cano, Davis, Canha, McNeil who all really can’t play a lot of (if any) positions positively and probably should be DH’s.

Back2Banks this is your time to shine, bud! 3 team trade ideas needed!

 

Padres get Bote, Smith, Mills, Ortega

Mets get Paddack, Pagan

Cubs get Hosmer, Campusano, Gore, McNeil

 

No money involved.

[Backtobanks]

Back2Banks this is your time to shine, bud! 3 team trade ideas needed!

 

Padres get Bote, Smith, Mills, Ortega

Mets get Paddack, Pagan

Cubs get Hosmer, Campusano, Gore, McNeil

 

No money involved.

 

Somebody has to help out poor Jed.

[Backtobanks]

 

Paddack still seems very attainable. His last ST game was a 62 pitch relief appearance, they're 9 deep on the SP depth chart, seem to want cap space, and there's some worry he's only a two pitch guy

 

Paddack, Hosmer, Campusano, and Gore for Bote, Mills, Ortega, and Strumpf. We pay all of Hosmer's contract.

[CubinNY]

Lol, Albert will DH and barf 5th on opening day.

[Tryptamine]

Nothing confirmed, but there was a rumor that Paddack's medicals were the reason the Hosmer deal fell through.

[Cubswin11]

[Backtobanks]

 

Maybe, Jed can find 2 or 3 players to put in the starting lineup.

[We Got The Whole 9]

We could have gotten Austin Meadows?!

 

Meadows (quadriceps) was traded to the Tigers on Monday in exchange for Isaac Paredes and a 2022 draft pick, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports. (4/4/2022)

[Cubswin11]

We could have gotten Austin Meadows?!

 

Meadows (quadriceps) was traded to the Tigers on Monday in exchange for Isaac Paredes and a 2022 draft pick, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports. (4/4/2022)

Never trade with the Rays

[Thusly Boned]

We could have gotten Austin Meadows?!

 

Meadows (quadriceps) was traded to the Tigers on Monday in exchange for Isaac Paredes and a 2022 draft pick, Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports. (4/4/2022)

Never trade with the Rays

 

It's one of the classic blunders