Week 17 Chezhead McGees vs Bears

[minnesotacubsfan]

I’m not sure what to think of the defense going forward. It’s still good. It’s possibly very good still but it’s not elite anymore and given the offensive shortcomings I’m not sure how many more resources we can pour into it to keep it at its current level.

 

If anything maybe this should push us more towards a rebuild rather than trying to win with a mediocre offense/elite defense formula. But obviously they won’t do that.

 

It's a very, very mediocre defense. It had two good games in the entire second half of the season, and one of those was Jacksonville so it doesn't count.

Mack and Hicks have lost a step. Jackson is completely washed up. Smith is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is clean up plays and pad his tackle stats beyond his actual impact. Quinn was worthless this year, maybe he'll be more healthy next year or maybe not. Fuller and Johnson are ok (although Johnson's a bit overrated by Bears fans). Trevathan is the guy who makes a TFL on 2nd-and-8 then gets targeted for an easy first down on 3rd-and-9. Eddie Jackson is completely washed up and actively bad at his job. I honestly can't remember one thing some dude named Gipson who is apparently our other starting safety did all season.

 

You've already invested way too much in the defense as it is, you can't possibly justify committing a bunch more to it. Montgomery, Mooney and Kmet are what you build the team around going forward.

I agree about Mooney, Monty, maybe Kmet.

 

I totally disagree on the D secondary. Fuller/Johnson/Jackson/Smith are what you build on there, if Johnson's shoulders haven't dissolved.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So you're mad that Nagy didn't institute a gameplan that he thought would be less likely to win but more instructive for the future, in a game that was win-and-in for the playoffs?

[UMFan83]

I’m not sure what to think of the defense going forward. It’s still good. It’s possibly very good still but it’s not elite anymore and given the offensive shortcomings I’m not sure how many more resources we can pour into it to keep it at its current level.

 

If anything maybe this should push us more towards a rebuild rather than trying to win with a mediocre offense/elite defense formula. But obviously they won’t do that.

 

It's a very, very mediocre defense. It had two good games in the entire second half of the season, and one of those was Jacksonville so it doesn't count.

Mack and Hicks have lost a step. Jackson is completely washed up. Smith is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is clean up plays and pad his tackle stats beyond his actual impact. Quinn was worthless this year, maybe he'll be more healthy next year or maybe not. Fuller and Johnson are ok (although Johnson's a bit overrated by Bears fans). Trevathan is the guy who makes a TFL on 2nd-and-8 then gets targeted for an easy first down on 3rd-and-9. Eddie Jackson is completely washed up and actively bad at his job. I honestly can't remember one thing some dude named Gipson who is apparently our other starting safety did all season.

 

You've already invested way too much in the defense as it is, you can't possibly justify committing a bunch more to it. Montgomery, Mooney and Kmet are what you build the team around going forward.

 

I don’t know about very very mediocre. They were ranked 7th in the league in defensive DVOA going into this week, maybe there are better stats out there to evaluate defense, feel free to suggest. But your remarks on the individual players are valid, so maybe as a collective unit they hold their own but their individual pieces are not at the level were at 2 years ago. Still think the secondary is a strong unit but are often burdened by a lack of pass rush.

 

Jaylon Johnson has potential but for every big play he’s made, he’s countered with a glaring mistake. But he’s a rookie and I like what I’ve seen

[minnesotacubsfan]

So you're mad that Nagy didn't institute a gameplan that he thought would be less likely to win but more instructive for the future, in a game that was win-and-in for the playoffs?

I'm mad he instituted a game plan we ALLLLLL knew would be unlikely to help us win that win-and-in game.

 

And it's not just "the future" as next year, it's also about next week where he will undoubtably produce another obviously turd-o-rific game plan that leads to another massive drubbing.

[d_money]

Woohoo they backed into one more week of disappointment and failure! :yahoo:

With all this success, the Bears are sure to raise ticket prices next year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I’m not sure what to think of the defense going forward. It’s still good. It’s possibly very good still but it’s not elite anymore and given the offensive shortcomings I’m not sure how many more resources we can pour into it to keep it at its current level.

 

If anything maybe this should push us more towards a rebuild rather than trying to win with a mediocre offense/elite defense formula. But obviously they won’t do that.

 

It's a very, very mediocre defense. It had two good games in the entire second half of the season, and one of those was Jacksonville so it doesn't count.

Mack and Hicks have lost a step. Jackson is completely washed up. Smith is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is clean up plays and pad his tackle stats beyond his actual impact. Quinn was worthless this year, maybe he'll be more healthy next year or maybe not. Fuller and Johnson are ok (although Johnson's a bit overrated by Bears fans). Trevathan is the guy who makes a TFL on 2nd-and-8 then gets targeted for an easy first down on 3rd-and-9. Eddie Jackson is completely washed up and actively bad at his job. I honestly can't remember one thing some dude named Gipson who is apparently our other starting safety did all season.

 

You've already invested way too much in the defense as it is, you can't possibly justify committing a bunch more to it. Montgomery, Mooney and Kmet are what you build the team around going forward.

 

I don’t know about very very mediocre. They were ranked 7th in the league in defensive DVOA going into this week, maybe there are better stats out there to evaluate defense, feel free to suggest. But your remarks on the individual players are valid, so maybe as a collective unit they hold their own but their individual pieces are not at the level were at 2 years ago. Still think the secondary is a strong unit but are often burdened by a lack of pass rush.

 

Jaylon Johnson has potential but for every big play he’s made, he’s countered with a glaring mistake. But he’s a rookie and I like what I’ve seen

 

With our season on the line, we just had to implement a gameplan based around the fact that we all knew our defense had little chance to stop our biggest rivals' offense. I don't feel comfortable calling the defense "good" under those circumstances.

[gflore34]

The worst possible outcomes to the 2020 season, limp into the playoffs, thereby, giving ownership an excuse to retain Pace and Nagy. They're not in position to draft a potential QB with Pace calling the shots on the 2021 draft. At least they didn't pull the trigger on a Trubisky extension such as the Eagles and Rams did with Wentz and Goff. I don't think they will, regardless of the QB situation, if they re-sign him, it'll probably be a one year incentive driven deal.

[jersey cubs fan]

The worst possible outcomes to the 2020 season, limp into the playoffs, thereby, giving ownership an excuse to retain Pace and Nagy. They're not in position to draft a potential QB with Pace calling the shots on the 2021 draft. At least they didn't pull the trigger on a Trubisky extension such as the Eagles and Rams did with Wentz and Goff. I don't think they will, regardless of the QB situation, if they re-sign him, it'll probably be a one year incentive driven deal.

Eh. I'm happy to see them in a playoff game. They wouldn't be better off if they came up short.

 

It's always been a good chance that Nagy/Pace will have a chance to select a QB in the 2021 draft, considering the timing of Nagy coming in after Mitch was already here. Unless Mitch takes them deep in the playoffs, they aren't going to need to give him a crazy deal. It will be something they can get out of in a year. If they show no progress in 2021 then they will be in a better position to clean house top to bottom and allow a new GM/Prez type to figure it out.

[UMFan83]

The worst possible outcomes to the 2020 season, limp into the playoffs, thereby, giving ownership an excuse to retain Pace and Nagy. They're not in position to draft a potential QB with Pace calling the shots on the 2021 draft. At least they didn't pull the trigger on a Trubisky extension such as the Eagles and Rams did with Wentz and Goff. I don't think they will, regardless of the QB situation, if they re-sign him, it'll probably be a one year incentive driven deal.

 

I think yesterday's game was such a glaring example of the fact that the Bears have glaring holes in a few important areas, its hard to ignore even if the end result was the playoffs. They finished with the same record as last year despite an easier schedule and snuck into the playoffs only due to an extra playoff spot being created. I am going to enjoy being in the playoffs but still hoping/expecting changes to be made after the season. I'll be angry about this outcome if/when its clear nothing will be done

[gflore34]

 

It's a very, very mediocre defense. It had two good games in the entire second half of the season, and one of those was Jacksonville so it doesn't count.

Mack and Hicks have lost a step. Jackson is completely washed up. Smith is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is clean up plays and pad his tackle stats beyond his actual impact. Quinn was worthless this year, maybe he'll be more healthy next year or maybe not. Fuller and Johnson are ok (although Johnson's a bit overrated by Bears fans). Trevathan is the guy who makes a TFL on 2nd-and-8 then gets targeted for an easy first down on 3rd-and-9. Eddie Jackson is completely washed up and actively bad at his job. I honestly can't remember one thing some dude named Gipson who is apparently our other starting safety did all season.

 

You've already invested way too much in the defense as it is, you can't possibly justify committing a bunch more to it. Montgomery, Mooney and Kmet are what you build the team around going forward.

 

I don’t know about very very mediocre. They were ranked 7th in the league in defensive DVOA going into this week, maybe there are better stats out there to evaluate defense, feel free to suggest. But your remarks on the individual players are valid, so maybe as a collective unit they hold their own but their individual pieces are not at the level were at 2 years ago. Still think the secondary is a strong unit but are often burdened by a lack of pass rush.

 

Jaylon Johnson has potential but for every big play he’s made, he’s countered with a glaring mistake. But he’s a rookie and I like what I’ve seen

 

With our season on the line, we just had to implement a gameplan based around the fact that we all knew our defense had little chance to stop our biggest rivals' offense. I don't feel comfortable calling the defense "good" under those circumstances.

 

What has happened to Mack? He was a monster in 2018 and has since, basically, disappeared most especially vs. the Packers, they blatantly held him in the 2019 opening night game, which explains his lack of impact in that game. I'd even go so far as to say it was the primary reason the Packers won that game, Bears should have had a safety either by a Mack sack or holding in the end zone, among the many other times Rodgers should have been sacked. I don't think its the Packers all of sudden learning how to stop him either, there's got to be something else, he's been a non-factor since the start of the 2019 season.

[gflore34]

The worst possible outcomes to the 2020 season, limp into the playoffs, thereby, giving ownership an excuse to retain Pace and Nagy. They're not in position to draft a potential QB with Pace calling the shots on the 2021 draft. At least they didn't pull the trigger on a Trubisky extension such as the Eagles and Rams did with Wentz and Goff. I don't think they will, regardless of the QB situation, if they re-sign him, it'll probably be a one year incentive driven deal.

 

I think yesterday's game was such a glaring example of the fact that the Bears have glaring holes in a few important areas, its hard to ignore even if the end result was the playoffs. They finished with the same record as last year despite an easier schedule and snuck into the playoffs only due to an extra playoff spot being created. I am going to enjoy being in the playoffs but still hoping/expecting changes to be made after the season. I'll be angry about this outcome if/when its clear nothing will be done

 

I guess one can view the playoffs as the Bears playing with house money, they've no reason to avoid taking chances, being aggressive. Of course, that's never worked with Mitch but, what difference does it make? Quite probably going to lose but, if they can pull some stuff on their asses with Mitch they could win. Which would be hilarious, setting up another meeting with the Packers maybe, losing to them a third time will prompt some changes.

[WrigleyField 22]

The worst possible outcomes to the 2020 season, limp into the playoffs, thereby, giving ownership an excuse to retain Pace and Nagy. They're not in position to draft a potential QB with Pace calling the shots on the 2021 draft. At least they didn't pull the trigger on a Trubisky extension such as the Eagles and Rams did with Wentz and Goff. I don't think they will, regardless of the QB situation, if they re-sign him, it'll probably be a one year incentive driven deal.

Eh. I'm happy to see them in a playoff game. They wouldn't be better off if they came up short.

 

It's always been a good chance that Nagy/Pace will have a chance to select a QB in the 2021 draft, considering the timing of Nagy coming in after Mitch was already here. Unless Mitch takes them deep in the playoffs, they aren't going to need to give him a crazy deal. It will be something they can get out of in a year. If they show no progress in 2021 then they will be in a better position to clean house top to bottom and allow a new GM/Prez type to figure it out.

I'm still not convinced they let Pace lame duck it. But a token one year extension or something seems pretty blatantly admitting he's on the hot seat as well. I think barring a collapse theyre committed to Pace and probably Nagy too. I wouldn't be shocked at a Pace multi year extension. Even if they hadn't raked out a playoff spot, I think 8-8 seasons could buy this duo quite a bit more time that the average fan would want.

 

That is unless there is any truth to the rumor about a unannounced extension and Pace already has a deal running through 22 and not 21.

 

Needless to say this offseason will be interesting though. I think we'll see a relatively big QB investment and a lot of cap deferring games so they can go for it again in 2021, even though they definitely shouldn't be doing the latter.

[raw]

The worst possible outcomes to the 2020 season, limp into the playoffs, thereby, giving ownership an excuse to retain Pace and Nagy. They're not in position to draft a potential QB with Pace calling the shots on the 2021 draft. At least they didn't pull the trigger on a Trubisky extension such as the Eagles and Rams did with Wentz and Goff. I don't think they will, regardless of the QB situation, if they re-sign him, it'll probably be a one year incentive driven deal.

Eh. I'm happy to see them in a playoff game. They wouldn't be better off if they came up short.

 

It's always been a good chance that Nagy/Pace will have a chance to select a QB in the 2021 draft, considering the timing of Nagy coming in after Mitch was already here. Unless Mitch takes them deep in the playoffs, they aren't going to need to give him a crazy deal. It will be something they can get out of in a year. If they show no progress in 2021 then they will be in a better position to clean house top to bottom and allow a new GM/Prez type to figure it out.

I'm still not convinced they let Pace lame duck it. But a token one year extension or something seems pretty blatantly admitting he's on the hot seat as well. I think barring a collapse theyre committed to Pace and probably Nagy too. I wouldn't be shocked at a Pace multi year extension. Even if they hadn't raked out a playoff spot, I think 8-8 seasons could buy this duo quite a bit more time that the average fan would want.

 

That is unless there is any truth to the rumor about a unannounced extension and Pace already has a deal running through 22 and not 21.

 

Needless to say this offseason will be interesting though. I think we'll see a relatively big QB investment and a lot of cap deferring games so they can go for it again in 2021, even though they definitely shouldn't be doing the latter.

 

I'm pretty confident they extended him quietly to have his contract end w/ Nagy's. It's just a rumor and I have no inside information or anything, but it seems pretty logical.

[gflore34]

The worst possible outcomes to the 2020 season, limp into the playoffs, thereby, giving ownership an excuse to retain Pace and Nagy. They're not in position to draft a potential QB with Pace calling the shots on the 2021 draft. At least they didn't pull the trigger on a Trubisky extension such as the Eagles and Rams did with Wentz and Goff. I don't think they will, regardless of the QB situation, if they re-sign him, it'll probably be a one year incentive driven deal.

Eh. I'm happy to see them in a playoff game. They wouldn't be better off if they came up short.

 

It's always been a good chance that Nagy/Pace will have a chance to select a QB in the 2021 draft, considering the timing of Nagy coming in after Mitch was already here. Unless Mitch takes them deep in the playoffs, they aren't going to need to give him a crazy deal. It will be something they can get out of in a year. If they show no progress in 2021 then they will be in a better position to clean house top to bottom and allow a new GM/Prez type to figure it out.

I'm still not convinced they let Pace lame duck it. But a token one year extension or something seems pretty blatantly admitting he's on the hot seat as well. I think barring a collapse theyre committed to Pace and probably Nagy too. I wouldn't be shocked at a Pace multi year extension. Even if they hadn't raked out a playoff spot, I think 8-8 seasons could buy this duo quite a bit more time that the average fan would want.

 

That is unless there is any truth to the rumor about a unannounced extension and Pace already has a deal running through 22 and not 21.

 

Needless to say this offseason will be interesting though. I think we'll see a relatively big QB investment and a lot of cap deferring games so they can go for it again in 2021, even though they definitely shouldn't be doing the latter.

 

If a QB is drafted does anyone trust Pace? I could see him taking Jones or Mond who, from what I understand, are Mitch 2.0. Maybe, with Nagy' input this time they can get it right, don't trust they'll hit on the correct pick but, they've not had chance so, we don't know.

[raw]

I’m not sure what to think of the defense going forward. It’s still good. It’s possibly very good still but it’s not elite anymore and given the offensive shortcomings I’m not sure how many more resources we can pour into it to keep it at its current level.

 

If anything maybe this should push us more towards a rebuild rather than trying to win with a mediocre offense/elite defense formula. But obviously they won’t do that.

 

It's a very, very mediocre defense. It had two good games in the entire second half of the season, and one of those was Jacksonville so it doesn't count.

Mack and Hicks have lost a step. Jackson is completely washed up. Smith is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is clean up plays and pad his tackle stats beyond his actual impact. Quinn was worthless this year, maybe he'll be more healthy next year or maybe not. Fuller and Johnson are ok (although Johnson's a bit overrated by Bears fans). Trevathan is the guy who makes a TFL on 2nd-and-8 then gets targeted for an easy first down on 3rd-and-9. Eddie Jackson is completely washed up and actively bad at his job. I honestly can't remember one thing some dude named Gipson who is apparently our other starting safety did all season.

 

You've already invested way too much in the defense as it is, you can't possibly justify committing a bunch more to it. Montgomery, Mooney and Kmet are what you build the team around going forward.

 

I don’t know about very very mediocre. They were ranked 7th in the league in defensive DVOA going into this week, maybe there are better stats out there to evaluate defense, feel free to suggest. But your remarks on the individual players are valid, so maybe as a collective unit they hold their own but their individual pieces are not at the level were at 2 years ago. Still think the secondary is a strong unit but are often burdened by a lack of pass rush.

 

Jaylon Johnson has potential but for every big play he’s made, he’s countered with a glaring mistake. But he’s a rookie and I like what I’ve seen

 

The defense is fine. The NFL is not catered to defenses carrying teams, and hasn't been for a while, hence why the Bears have made the playoffs like 5 times in 25 years. Every 5 years or so they find the needle in the haystack that is an offense carried to the playoffs by an elite defense.

 

Roquan is great. Goldman is coming back. Johnson and Nichols are solid building blocks. Fuller is solid and should be extended for a lower cap hit. For next year, gotta hope for better health for guys like Mack and Quinn. And you gotta hope a change in scheme (new DC) brings back whatever has happened to Eddie Jackson. I'm sure they'll keep Hicks around since everyone else is coming back (I'd probably release him and get 10.5M in cap space), but then after 2021 you can get out the Hicks, Quinn, and Trevathan deals.

 

Either way, they should be a top 12 unit in DVOA again next year. Maybe a new DC and health gets them back to rushing the passer and creating turnovers more consistently, and they get back to a top 5 unit. But even if not, they should be good enough to win games if they get a halfway decent offense.

[WrigleyField 22]

Eh. I'm happy to see them in a playoff game. They wouldn't be better off if they came up short.

 

It's always been a good chance that Nagy/Pace will have a chance to select a QB in the 2021 draft, considering the timing of Nagy coming in after Mitch was already here. Unless Mitch takes them deep in the playoffs, they aren't going to need to give him a crazy deal. It will be something they can get out of in a year. If they show no progress in 2021 then they will be in a better position to clean house top to bottom and allow a new GM/Prez type to figure it out.

I'm still not convinced they let Pace lame duck it. But a token one year extension or something seems pretty blatantly admitting he's on the hot seat as well. I think barring a collapse theyre committed to Pace and probably Nagy too. I wouldn't be shocked at a Pace multi year extension. Even if they hadn't raked out a playoff spot, I think 8-8 seasons could buy this duo quite a bit more time that the average fan would want.

 

That is unless there is any truth to the rumor about a unannounced extension and Pace already has a deal running through 22 and not 21.

 

Needless to say this offseason will be interesting though. I think we'll see a relatively big QB investment and a lot of cap deferring games so they can go for it again in 2021, even though they definitely shouldn't be doing the latter.

 

If a QB is drafted does anyone trust Pace? I could see him taking Jones or Mond who, from what I understand, are Mitch 2.0. Maybe, with Nagy' input this time they can get it right, don't trust they'll hit on the correct pick but, they've not had chance so, we don't know.

I don't necessarily distrust him I guess? I think people put way too much stock into relatively small samples to say a GM can or can't evaluate a position. Fact is I'd expect a bad hit rate on QBs. If you count Trubisky, Glennon, and Foles as his major QB decisions, that's a pretty small sample for a position where most guys are pretty bad.

 

Anyways there's likely a huge difference between a Jones or Mond investment. Jones may require a 1st round investment, probably at least 2nd rounder. Mond may be a day 3 pick. I would definitely like Mond as a early day 3 prospect. Hell, double up on the position, IMO.

 

The most interesting prospect outside the top 4 consensus guys may be Ridder from Cincinnati. Seems to have as much potential as any guy in this draft. Not sure where he'll go, but I'm sure the pre-draft process will be big for him, but he could rise fast.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

It's a very, very mediocre defense. It had two good games in the entire second half of the season, and one of those was Jacksonville so it doesn't count.

Mack and Hicks have lost a step. Jackson is completely washed up. Smith is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is clean up plays and pad his tackle stats beyond his actual impact. Quinn was worthless this year, maybe he'll be more healthy next year or maybe not. Fuller and Johnson are ok (although Johnson's a bit overrated by Bears fans). Trevathan is the guy who makes a TFL on 2nd-and-8 then gets targeted for an easy first down on 3rd-and-9. Eddie Jackson is completely washed up and actively bad at his job. I honestly can't remember one thing some dude named Gipson who is apparently our other starting safety did all season.

 

You've already invested way too much in the defense as it is, you can't possibly justify committing a bunch more to it. Montgomery, Mooney and Kmet are what you build the team around going forward.

 

I don’t know about very very mediocre. They were ranked 7th in the league in defensive DVOA going into this week, maybe there are better stats out there to evaluate defense, feel free to suggest. But your remarks on the individual players are valid, so maybe as a collective unit they hold their own but their individual pieces are not at the level were at 2 years ago. Still think the secondary is a strong unit but are often burdened by a lack of pass rush.

 

Jaylon Johnson has potential but for every big play he’s made, he’s countered with a glaring mistake. But he’s a rookie and I like what I’ve seen

 

The defense is fine. The NFL is not catered to defenses carrying teams, and hasn't been for a while, hence why the Bears have made the playoffs like 5 times in 25 years. Every 5 years or so they find the needle in the haystack that is an offense carried to the playoffs by an elite defense.

 

Roquan is great. Goldman is coming back. Johnson and Nichols are solid building blocks. Fuller is solid and should be extended for a lower cap hit. For next year, gotta hope for better health for guys like Mack and Quinn. And you gotta hope a change in scheme (new DC) brings back whatever has happened to Eddie Jackson. I'm sure they'll keep Hicks around since everyone else is coming back (I'd probably release him and get 10.5M in cap space), but then after 2021 you can get out the Hicks, Quinn, and Trevathan deals.

 

Either way, they should be a top 12 unit in DVOA again next year. Maybe a new DC and health gets them back to rushing the passer and creating turnovers more consistently, and they get back to a top 5 unit. But even if not, they should be good enough to win games if they get a halfway decent offense.

If they do make a change in the D, I just want to get out ahead and say it should be a broad search and it can be a 3-4 or 4-3 guy. I think a few guys like Mack and Quinn may actually be better in a 4-3 and most of their rotation guys are FA anyways even if they were scheme dependent.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

If a QB is drafted does anyone trust Pace? I could see him taking Jones or Mond who, from what I understand, are Mitch 2.0. Maybe, with Nagy' input this time they can get it right, don't trust they'll hit on the correct pick but, they've not had chance so, we don't know.

 

not sure who Mond is, but Jones is nothing like Trubisky. Trubisky had an arm but very very little playing time. Jones is almost the complete opposite.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I don’t know about very very mediocre. They were ranked 7th in the league in defensive DVOA going into this week, maybe there are better stats out there to evaluate defense, feel free to suggest. But your remarks on the individual players are valid, so maybe as a collective unit they hold their own but their individual pieces are not at the level were at 2 years ago. Still think the secondary is a strong unit but are often burdened by a lack of pass rush.

 

Jaylon Johnson has potential but for every big play he’s made, he’s countered with a glaring mistake. But he’s a rookie and I like what I’ve seen

 

The defense is fine. The NFL is not catered to defenses carrying teams, and hasn't been for a while, hence why the Bears have made the playoffs like 5 times in 25 years. Every 5 years or so they find the needle in the haystack that is an offense carried to the playoffs by an elite defense.

 

Roquan is great. Goldman is coming back. Johnson and Nichols are solid building blocks. Fuller is solid and should be extended for a lower cap hit. For next year, gotta hope for better health for guys like Mack and Quinn. And you gotta hope a change in scheme (new DC) brings back whatever has happened to Eddie Jackson. I'm sure they'll keep Hicks around since everyone else is coming back (I'd probably release him and get 10.5M in cap space), but then after 2021 you can get out the Hicks, Quinn, and Trevathan deals.

 

Either way, they should be a top 12 unit in DVOA again next year. Maybe a new DC and health gets them back to rushing the passer and creating turnovers more consistently, and they get back to a top 5 unit. But even if not, they should be good enough to win games if they get a halfway decent offense.

If they do make a change in the D, I just want to get out ahead and say it should be a broad search and it can be a 3-4 or 4-3 guy. I think a few guys like Mack and Quinn may actually be better in a 4-3 and most of their rotation guys are FA anyways even if they were scheme dependent.

 

 

Get rid of Pagano, first of all. As for the 3-4 vs 4-3, they currently have the one guy you need to make a 3-4 work: Eddie Goldman. In fact, his absence is probably bigger then anyone else on the D this year outside of Hicks. Might as well stay with that.

 

Also, I loved seeing Vildor break on the ball in the flat. I know he was otherwise toyed with throughout the game, but he could end up developing into a solid nickel.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

If a QB is drafted does anyone trust Pace? I could see him taking Jones or Mond who, from what I understand, are Mitch 2.0. Maybe, with Nagy' input this time they can get it right, don't trust they'll hit on the correct pick but, they've not had chance so, we don't know.

 

not sure who Mond is, but Jones is nothing like Trubisky. Trubisky had an arm but very very little playing time. Jones is almost the complete opposite.

I think he meant Mond only was Trubisky 2.0.

 

Hes a 4 year starter (I think, maybe 3) from Texas A&M. I think he's a tad less athletic that Trubisky, but above average. His biggest knock has been consistency and decision making. I've seen some Prescott comps for him, never seen a Trubisky comp.

[gflore34]

 

If a QB is drafted does anyone trust Pace? I could see him taking Jones or Mond who, from what I understand, are Mitch 2.0. Maybe, with Nagy' input this time they can get it right, don't trust they'll hit on the correct pick but, they've not had chance so, we don't know.

 

not sure who Mond is, but Jones is nothing like Trubisky. Trubisky had an arm but very very little playing time. Jones is almost the complete opposite.

 

 

Mond QB at Texas A&M.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

The defense is fine. The NFL is not catered to defenses carrying teams, and hasn't been for a while, hence why the Bears have made the playoffs like 5 times in 25 years. Every 5 years or so they find the needle in the haystack that is an offense carried to the playoffs by an elite defense.

 

Roquan is great. Goldman is coming back. Johnson and Nichols are solid building blocks. Fuller is solid and should be extended for a lower cap hit. For next year, gotta hope for better health for guys like Mack and Quinn. And you gotta hope a change in scheme (new DC) brings back whatever has happened to Eddie Jackson. I'm sure they'll keep Hicks around since everyone else is coming back (I'd probably release him and get 10.5M in cap space), but then after 2021 you can get out the Hicks, Quinn, and Trevathan deals.

 

Either way, they should be a top 12 unit in DVOA again next year. Maybe a new DC and health gets them back to rushing the passer and creating turnovers more consistently, and they get back to a top 5 unit. But even if not, they should be good enough to win games if they get a halfway decent offense.

If they do make a change in the D, I just want to get out ahead and say it should be a broad search and it can be a 3-4 or 4-3 guy. I think a few guys like Mack and Quinn may actually be better in a 4-3 and most of their rotation guys are FA anyways even if they were scheme dependent.

 

 

Get rid of Pagano, first of all. As for the 3-4 vs 4-3, they currently have the one guy you need to make a 3-4 work: Eddie Goldman. In fact, his absence is probably bigger then anyone else on the D this year outside of Hicks. Might as well stay with that.

 

Also, I loved seeing Vildor break on the ball in the flat. I know he was otherwise toyed with throughout the game, but he could end up developing into a solid nickel.

Yea at this point Vildor looks more promising than Shelley as a cheap nickel replacement if they cut Skrine. Kind of hope they get to see him in the WC game to get some more snaps on tape.

 

As for Goldman, sure, but I think he'd be a great NT in a 4 man front. There's increasingly less and less difference between a 3 or 4 man front anyways, but to the extent it matters its usually you're edge guys that matter most, and Quinn and Mack both had their most success as 4-3 DE.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Quinn and Mack both had their most success as 4-3 DE.

 

this is true. Lovie for DC?

[WrigleyField 22]

Quinn and Mack both had their most success as 4-3 DE.

 

this is true. Lovie for DC?

Lol. Maybe Marinelli, I think he'll be available again.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Quinn and Mack both had their most success as 4-3 DE.

 

this is true. Lovie for DC?

Lol. Maybe Marinelli, I think he'll be available again.

 

 

another thought I had about this, is there a difference in CB play between the two systems? I always thought the 4-3 meant a lot more zone/press coverage while the 3-4 meant a lot more man-to-man/off man coverage. Do the DB's we have make sense for a 4-3, or is there just not that much of a dif?