Week 17 Chezhead McGees vs Bears

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

horsefeathers that, I want to win

[Wilson A2000]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

That last 4th and inches call will put a damper on what was a fairly decent game plan. That was ugly as a call.

 

Then things spiraled in minutes, mainly because they had no choice but to try and let Mitch win it.

 

Sounds like Nagy was really mad at the execution of that play. Guessing the blame was on Graham.

[raw]

Well, if you're one of those people that wanted the Bears to fail so a clean sweep was made in the organization...today was probably the best case scenario of your worst case scenario.

 

Mitch didn't dominate or come close to beating the team this franchise needs to find a way to beat consistently. He didn't create a scenario where the Bears are forced to franchise tag him or sign him to a long-term contract and "run it back" with the same group. Whether you think Mitch was bad because of the playcalling or the playcalling was limited because of the QB, it's still pretty clear that Mitch isn't the ideal QB for Matt Nagy's offense. While Foles wasn't ideal either, calling into question if Nagy's offense even has any potential to be good, Nagy is going to be back next year. If he's back, there's probably at least a decent chance he doesn't want Mitch back if he has any say. And while they don't have the money or draft picks to do any better than Mitch, they can certainly do "different", which at least could yield different results. For better or worse 8-8 and a 1-and-done playoff berth isn't an ideal outcome.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

That last 4th and inches call will put a damper on what was a fairly decent game plan. That was ugly as a call.

 

Then things spiraled in minutes, mainly because they had no choice but to try and let Mitch win it.

Moose seemed to imply that he thinks Graham blew his route and was supposed to pick Robinson's defender. Play call looks a lot better if that's the case.

Yes, Graham should have picked

[Brian707]

Bears open as +8.5 Dogs vs NO according to Fanduel

 

85-1 to win the SB

Edited January 4, 2021 by Brian707

[mul21]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

That last 4th and inches call will put a damper on what was a fairly decent game plan. That was ugly as a call.

 

Then things spiraled in minutes, mainly because they had no choice but to try and let Mitch win it.

 

I don't tend to get too caught up in the individual play calls. Every playcall looks terrible when it doesn't work and brilliant when it does. They went 4-for-5 on 4th and short. Sometimes the defense just wins.

 

Generally I'd agree with you, but that play had no chance from the outset. 2 receivers bunched to one side with a rollout that way and nobody going downfield on that side to clear any defenders. They'd crammed it down their throat several times already and gotten them with a spread formation. Why they didn't go with some variation o f what had already been successful I have no idea. Give it to Monty and have him get you a yard or have Mitch sneak it again. That's too pivotal a moment in the game to do something gimmicky like they did.

[WrigleyField 22]

That last 4th and inches call will put a damper on what was a fairly decent game plan. That was ugly as a call.

 

Then things spiraled in minutes, mainly because they had no choice but to try and let Mitch win it.

 

I don't tend to get too caught up in the individual play calls. Every playcall looks terrible when it doesn't work and brilliant when it does. They went 4-for-5 on 4th and short. Sometimes the defense just wins.

 

Generally I'd agree with you, but that play had no chance from the outset. 2 receivers bunched to one side with a rollout that way and nobody going downfield on that side to clear any defenders. They'd crammed it down their throat several times already and gotten them with a spread formation. Why they didn't go with some variation o f what had already been successful I have no idea. Give it to Monty and have him get you a yard or have Mitch sneak it again. That's too pivotal a moment in the game to do something gimmicky like they did.

I'm okay with doing something different, but that didn't seem to be it, even if there was a missed pick.

[UMFan83]

Bears open as +8.5 Dogs vs NO according to Fanduel

 

85-1 to win the SB

 

8.5 seems...low? Should see that go up

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Today’s gameplay did not scream “we want to bring this QB back in free agency.”

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

horsefeathers that, I want to win

 

Then you need way better players

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I don't tend to get too caught up in the individual play calls. Every playcall looks terrible when it doesn't work and brilliant when it does. They went 4-for-5 on 4th and short. Sometimes the defense just wins.

 

Generally I'd agree with you, but that play had no chance from the outset. 2 receivers bunched to one side with a rollout that way and nobody going downfield on that side to clear any defenders. They'd crammed it down their throat several times already and gotten them with a spread formation. Why they didn't go with some variation o f what had already been successful I have no idea. Give it to Monty and have him get you a yard or have Mitch sneak it again. That's too pivotal a moment in the game to do something gimmicky like they did.

I'm okay with doing something different, but that didn't seem to be it, even if there was a missed pick.

QB sneak or Monty would have been better choices then a horsefeathering play your TE doesn't even understand

[Brian707]

Bears open as +8.5 Dogs vs NO according to Fanduel

 

85-1 to win the SB

 

8.5 seems...low? Should see that go up

 

8.5, 85, New Orleans the stars have aligned for this team to finally win the SB again.

 

Kidding aside, yes I would think it gets beyond 10 by next Sunday.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

horsefeathers that, I want to win

 

Then you need way better players

How can you tell? Repeated Inside dives haven't worked since the 80's

[Hairyducked Idiot]

horsefeathers that, I want to win

 

Then you need way better players

How can you tell? Repeated Inside dives haven't worked since the 80's

 

Repeated dives to the inside didn't cause them to give up 35 points, and the moment they tried to open it up Trubisky threw a terrible interception.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Then you need way better players

How can you tell? Repeated Inside dives haven't worked since the 80's

 

Repeated dives to the inside didn't cause them to give up 35 points, and the moment they tried to open it up Trubisky threw a terrible interception.

Horrible take.

 

1) Johnson and Skrine were out, and this D has had issues coming up big all season.

2) opening up the offense Nagy Style isn't what I'm talking about. Nagy only opens up the offense when he has to, when he's down

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

 

It’s hurt them more than it’s helped them these last 3 seasons. Perhaps aggressive playcalling turns 2 of those FGs on 4th and 2 into TDs and they are up 3 instead of down 5.

 

I’m not suggesting the bears start slinging it down the field the whole game but throwing 90% of your passes to within 3 yards of the LOS is not done because you are trying to slow the game down, it’s because you don’t trust your QB to throw anywhere farther even when the situation requires it.

 

Same thing. You're trying to slow the game down because they have a HOF MVP QB and you have Mitch Trubisky. If the game hinges on which QB can throw more TDs, you lose.

[raw]

 

I like Leming, but I absolutely hate when people say stuff like this. He doesn't know Nagy, he has no idea about his "ego". He doesn't even know if he was actually calling the plays today. People said the same thing when he wouldn't give up playcalling. People said Pace had too much of an ego to admit his mistake and cut Shaheen or whatever the hell.

 

Plus he's the head coach. The blame will fall on him either way. Why shouldn't he be willing to actually get the blame for something he's doing instead of getting blamed for something someone else did wrong?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How can you tell? Repeated Inside dives haven't worked since the 80's

 

Repeated dives to the inside didn't cause them to give up 35 points, and the moment they tried to open it up Trubisky threw a terrible interception.

Horrible take.

 

1) Johnson and Skrine were out, and this D has had issues coming up big all season.

2) opening up the offense Nagy Style isn't what I'm talking about. Nagy only opens up the offense when he has to, when he's down

 

In this game, only opening up the offense when you have to was 100% the right play.

[Sosa21MVP]

Woohoo they backed into one more week of disappointment and failure! :yahoo:

[UMFan83]

Nagy's game plan had them within a score, with the ball, inside the opponent's half of the field, in the fourth quarter, against a vastly superior team. If that's his ego, I want more of it.

 

It’s hurt them more than it’s helped them these last 3 seasons. Perhaps aggressive playcalling turns 2 of those FGs on 4th and 2 into TDs and they are up 3 instead of down 5.

 

I’m not suggesting the bears start slinging it down the field the whole game but throwing 90% of your passes to within 3 yards of the LOS is not done because you are trying to slow the game down, it’s because you don’t trust your QB to throw anywhere farther even when the situation requires it.

 

Same thing. You're trying to slow the game down because they have a HOF MVP QB and you have Mitch Trubisky. If the game hinges on which QB can throw more TDs, you lose.

 

And again I’m not saying he should be a gunslinger but at some point you have to run an offense more complex than 2 yard dump offs and runs up the middle. The gameplan to slow the game down and limit possessions was fine, i even said that earlier in this thread during the 1st quarter. But at some point you need to start going down field. It’s unfortunate he threw an INT right away but that was after this conservative game plan had them down 12 points. Should have done it earlier when they managed to stop the Packers 2 drives in a row.

 

I dunno you may ultimately be right but there has to be a middle ground between what we saw against the terrible defenses and today when I can only remember 1 pass that traveled more than 5 yards down field until garbage time. It’s hard to suggest where that line is given the dramatic difference between the Packers defense and the Texans but for starters what happened to rolling Mitch out? Buy him some time to get the ball downfield. Maybe give him something different to run than a run up the middle on 3rd and 1 when it failed the previous 2 times on the drive.

 

I’m rambling. But either way, if this is the game plan against defenses with a pulse I think it says all you need to say about whether to invest in Mitch beyond this year. They might sign him as a bridge for 1-2 years but he can’t be the long term QB answer

[UMFan83]

I’m not sure what to think of the defense going forward. It’s still good. It’s possibly very good still but it’s not elite anymore and given the offensive shortcomings I’m not sure how many more resources we can pour into it to keep it at its current level.

 

If anything maybe this should push us more towards a rebuild rather than trying to win with a mediocre offense/elite defense formula. But obviously they won’t do that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Repeated dives to the inside didn't cause them to give up 35 points, and the moment they tried to open it up Trubisky threw a terrible interception.

Horrible take.

 

1) Johnson and Skrine were out, and this D has had issues coming up big all season.

2) opening up the offense Nagy Style isn't what I'm talking about. Nagy only opens up the offense when he has to, when he's down

 

In this game, only opening up the offense when you have to was 100% the right play.

 

 

How so? The lost 35-16.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Horrible take.

 

1) Johnson and Skrine were out, and this D has had issues coming up big all season.

2) opening up the offense Nagy Style isn't what I'm talking about. Nagy only opens up the offense when he has to, when he's down

 

In this game, only opening up the offense when you have to was 100% the right play.

 

 

How so? The lost 35-16.

 

They were within one score, in the 4th quarter, with the ball in Packers' territory. did you think that was likely going into the week?

 

Once they fell behind and had to play real football, the score got out of hand. If they had tried to play more open from the beginning, they would have lost 53-16 instead.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I’m not sure what to think of the defense going forward. It’s still good. It’s possibly very good still but it’s not elite anymore and given the offensive shortcomings I’m not sure how many more resources we can pour into it to keep it at its current level.

 

If anything maybe this should push us more towards a rebuild rather than trying to win with a mediocre offense/elite defense formula. But obviously they won’t do that.

 

It's a very, very mediocre defense. It had two good games in the entire second half of the season, and one of those was Jacksonville so it doesn't count.

Mack and Hicks have lost a step. Jackson is completely washed up. Smith is pretty good at what he does, but what he does is clean up plays and pad his tackle stats beyond his actual impact. Quinn was worthless this year, maybe he'll be more healthy next year or maybe not. Fuller and Johnson are ok (although Johnson's a bit overrated by Bears fans). Trevathan is the guy who makes a TFL on 2nd-and-8 then gets targeted for an easy first down on 3rd-and-9. Eddie Jackson is completely washed up and actively bad at his job. I honestly can't remember one thing some dude named Gipson who is apparently our other starting safety did all season.

 

You've already invested way too much in the defense as it is, you can't possibly justify committing a bunch more to it. Montgomery, Mooney and Kmet are what you build the team around going forward.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

In this game, only opening up the offense when you have to was 100% the right play.

 

 

How so? The lost 35-16.

 

They were within one score, in the 4th quarter, with the ball in Packers' territory. did you think that was likely going into the week?

 

Once they fell behind and had to play real football, the score got out of hand. If they had tried to play more open from the beginning, they would have lost 53-16 instead.

They were within one score in the 4th but only because the D somehow woke up for two series. The offense as a whole was still plodding towards their demise.

 

 

They lost 35-16 and we all knew it was a likely loss weeks ago, but it would have been helpful to see if what they did against bad D's could work against GB. What's the worst thing that would happen? They'd lose big and still squeak into the playoffs to face another great team with a likely embarrassing loss and further forcing them down the draft board because, as it turns out, they actually made it into the playoffs? Well, that happened anyway.