NFL Week 11

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

You'll be able to watch the CBS late game:

https://506sports.com/nfl.php?yr=2020&wk=12

Dude, I’m watching the Saints v Broncos. It would be nice for the Bears to help the Saints tonight, though.

Well, Chiefs/Bucs is probably going to be higher-scoring and have more fantasy implications, so as a non Broncos fan, I'd love to have the option to flip to other stuff as you do. Which was obviously my point.

[WrigleyField 22]

Speaking of the Lions, they kind of have to see what they can get for Stafford this offseason don't they? Age 33 season next year, new coach coming in. They have a whopping 21 free agents on the team, including all of their top 3 WRs. The trading team would have a 24.5Mil cap hit or so and would have an out after the year with most of his guaranteed money already paid. I can see a team like the Patriots, Broncos or Colts going for him. I think they all project to have a bunch of cap space and a surrounding team that shouldn't be too far off from competing (assuming no Patriot opt outs next year). The Lions aren't in the best position to draft a QB as they won't have a top 5 pick, but they are the perfect team to tank a year in hopes for the top pick in 2022.

 

How exactly does the cap hit work when trading? Does the players cap hit simply transfer from one team to the next? At one point in time I thought that the pro-rated signing bonus accelerated into the season that the player was acquired. This would make high salary/signing bonus guys impossible to trade, though I guess any trade could have a restructure built into it.

The old team immediately takes any dead money hit in the form of prorated signing bonuses, all accelerated.

The new teams gets all base salary cap hits, both guaranteed or unguaranteed.

 

So for Stafford:

The Lions would take a dead cap hit of 19M for prorated salary. I'm not exactly sure what happens with his roster bonus though. It's due March 17 in 2021 and 2022 ($10M each year) so he might have to be traded before then for the Lions to not pick that up. But with a 33M cap hit the Lions still would end up net positive to trade him in that scenario. So certainly not impossible. And IMO the dead cap part is overblown. It's dead cap for a reason, it's a sunk cost. The savings is the annual salary that you get out of. And you can almost always move around other salaries to offset for the acceleration aspect of that contract.

 

And yea any restructure could happen as part of the trade, though only on unguaranteed portions I believe.

[Soul]

Can we flex to the Broncos game please?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Keep in mind that the Broncos cancelled practice Friday and had only a light practice Saturday to prepare.

*** Placeholder for an awesome Tim Tebow joke ***

[Soul]

I you’re a Vikings fan and just got back from a bathroom break, I’ve got news for you.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I you’re a Vikings fan and just got back from a bathroom break, I’ve got news for you.

Oh yeah?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This turned into a crazy game.

[Andy]

Carolina scores on back-to-back Minnesota snaps, and still manages to lose. Pretty impressive, really.

[NOLA]

This Saints vs Broncos game:

 

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

 

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

 

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.

[sweetpeteman]

This Saints vs Broncos game:

 

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

 

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

 

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.

 

 

In the 2nd quarter, and the Broncos are currently ahead in passing yards, 0 to -8.

[OleMissCub]

This Saints vs Broncos game:

 

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

 

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

 

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.

 

Agreed. Winston needs to be in.

[NOLA]

This Saints vs Broncos game:

 

Taysom may go undefeated until Brees returns but no way is that guy the future at QB. Free Jameis.

 

Sean Payton threw nearly every down last week. I would not be at all surprised if he goes all run today just to be a dick.

 

This game will be under 2.5 hours long.

 

 

In the 2nd quarter, and the Broncos are currently ahead in passing yards, 0 to -8.

I really hope Payton isn’t so stubborn as to not put in Winston.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/11/29/nfl-declined-broncos-request-to-let-assistant-coaches-suit-up-and-play-qb/

[Derwood]

The KC offense is kinda good

[raw]

This Denver dude has thrown a more recent TD pass than Taysom Hill.

[NOLA]

This Denver dude has thrown a more recent TD pass than Taysom Hill.

He might throw an NFL touchdown before Taysom Hill.

[OleMissCub]

OMFG Tyreek Hill has 203 yards receiving and there is still 9 mins left in 2nd quarter

[Derwood]

OMFG Tyreek Hill has 203 yards receiving and there is still 9 mins left in 2nd quarter

 

That was all in the first quarter.

 

Plus he backflipped into the end zone on one of his TDs

[OleMissCub]

Plus he backflipped into the end zone on one of his TDs

 

Someone needs to do a health check on Brian McCann.

[UMFan83]

OMFG Tyreek Hill has 203 yards receiving and there is still 9 mins left in 2nd quarter

 

He has 57 fantasy points in my league and there’s still 5 mins left in the 3rd.

[OleMissCub]

Broncos had more interceptions than completions. Best part about that stat: last time that happened....Ryan Leaf with the Chargers

[raw]

I was watching the ESPN NFL Countdown this morning and all the people on the show picked the Rams today. One of the analyst's reason was "Goff has played really well the last 2 weeks". So I say to my son, "Goff has played well 2 weeks in a row? Well that means a bad game today, because he is terrible every 3rd game".

 

Right on cue, Goff is 19-31, 198 yards and 2 INTs. And I just looked it up, he really is bad ever 3rd game. He did have a streak of 4 games of 100+ QB rating in a row this season, but sandwiched around those were two in the 70s. In 11 games he has 7 good and now 4 bad games.

[jumbo]

Speaking of the Lions, they kind of have to see what they can get for Stafford this offseason don't they? Age 33 season next year, new coach coming in. They have a whopping 21 free agents on the team, including all of their top 3 WRs. The trading team would have a 24.5Mil cap hit or so and would have an out after the year with most of his guaranteed money already paid. I can see a team like the Patriots, Broncos or Colts going for him. I think they all project to have a bunch of cap space and a surrounding team that shouldn't be too far off from competing (assuming no Patriot opt outs next year). The Lions aren't in the best position to draft a QB as they won't have a top 5 pick, but they are the perfect team to tank a year in hopes for the top pick in 2022.

 

How exactly does the cap hit work when trading? Does the players cap hit simply transfer from one team to the next? At one point in time I thought that the pro-rated signing bonus accelerated into the season that the player was acquired. This would make high salary/signing bonus guys impossible to trade, though I guess any trade could have a restructure built into it.

The old team immediately takes any dead money hit in the form of prorated signing bonuses, all accelerated.

The new teams gets all base salary cap hits, both guaranteed or unguaranteed.

 

So for Stafford:

The Lions would take a dead cap hit of 19M for prorated salary. I'm not exactly sure what happens with his roster bonus though. It's due March 17 in 2021 and 2022 ($10M each year) so he might have to be traded before then for the Lions to not pick that up. But with a 33M cap hit the Lions still would end up net positive to trade him in that scenario. So certainly not impossible. And IMO the dead cap part is overblown. It's dead cap for a reason, it's a sunk cost. The savings is the annual salary that you get out of. And you can almost always move around other salaries to offset for the acceleration aspect of that contract.

 

And yea any restructure could happen as part of the trade, though only on unguaranteed portions I believe.

 

Awesome, thanks. I keep reading people saying "trade ____, cut _____" and I'm trying to figure out who they could trade with the cap effects. I thought it was more complex for some reason. The low cap next year is going to be crazy - players will get cut to get the team under cap, then there may be a ton of players available with no cap space to pay them. I'm trying to game out how it will work but a lot of teams (Bears included) are way over that figure and will have a hard time signing anyone. Bears will be in purgatory for another year, unable to spend their way out with quick fixes

 

Question - if the Bears traded Robert Quinn (humor me on this), his dead cap hits the 2021 cap, and the new team has him with no future dead cap liability? He could be a one year rental and then cut before 2022 and whatever cap hit he would have had was already eaten by the Bears?

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Question - if the Bears traded Robert Quinn (humor me on this), his dead cap hits the 2021 cap, and the new team has him with no future dead cap liability? He could be a one year rental and then cut before 2022 and whatever cap hit he would have had was already eaten by the Bears?

Yep. That's exactly right. I don't see him having value, but let's just say you could trade him for a conditional 7th rounder with the condition being he wins MVP- whatever outrageous condition where you're just giving him away and the receiving team basically has a 11.5M 1 year deal with options (effectively) and no dead cap.

 

I'm still skepitkal you could find someone so I think you're now at the point of attaching something of value to him like a draft pick. But in theory it works for both teams, 11.5m total net savings for the Bears (spread out over 2 years for cap purposes). Free trial for the receiving team.

[jumbo]

 

Question - if the Bears traded Robert Quinn (humor me on this), his dead cap hits the 2021 cap, and the new team has him with no future dead cap liability? He could be a one year rental and then cut before 2022 and whatever cap hit he would have had was already eaten by the Bears?

Yep. That's exactly right. I don't see him having value, but let's just say you could trade him for a conditional 7th rounder with the condition being he wins MVP- whatever outrageous condition where you're just giving him away and the receiving team basically has a 11.5M 1 year deal with options (effectively) and no dead cap.

 

I'm still skepitkal you could find someone so I think you're now at the point of attaching something of value to him like a draft pick. But in theory it works for both teams, 11.5m total net savings for the Bears (spread out over 2 years for cap purposes). Free trial for the receiving team.

 

 

Yeah, I agree he is not an attractive trade target for any teams out there, but I knew his contract status off the top of my head. It is pretty nice for an acquiring team to have the luxury of no dead cap.

 

Why does his 11.5 spread over two years? I was thinking the dead cap for a trade is exactly like a cut, and there is a provision where a team can designate a player as a post-June cut so that they can look for a new job early and the cutting team can spread the cap hit over two years instead of one.