7/29 Cubs (Cyle Hendricks) at Reds (Gray) 5:40 CT Marquee

[UMFan83]

Sucks that we pulled our best hitters there, could have really made it interesting

[Derwood]

Has Dillon Maples ever thrown a strike?

[UMFan83]

Has anyone in our bullpen ever thrown a strike?

 

Fixed that for you

[UMFan83]

Other than Carl, are maples and Underwood the most prominent bullpen arms Theo’s org has “developed”?

 

Boggles my mind how little we’ve got from homegrown pitchers

[Derwood]

I could've thrown a strike by now

[Cubswin11]

Other than Carl, are maples and Underwood the most prominent bullpen arms Theo’s org has “developed”?

 

Boggles my mind how little we’ve got from homegrown pitchers

Pedro, Hector, Marshall they all kinda developed

[UMFan83]

Super disappointed Rossy pulled him. Legitimately wanted to see how many runs Maples would have allowed before getting an out

[Derwood]

Super disappointed Rossy pulled him. Legitimately wanted to see how many runs Maples would have allowed before getting an out

 

Same

[Derwood]

Fake triple play but I'll take it

[UMFan83]

Other than Carl, are maples and Underwood the most prominent bullpen arms Theo’s org has “developed”?

 

Boggles my mind how little we’ve got from homegrown pitchers

Pedro, Hector, Marshall they all kinda developed

 

Strop had 126 MLB innings pitched over 4.5 seasons before coming to the Cubs including an all star caliber season with Baltimore in 2012

 

Am I having the ultimate brain fart on Marshall or did you mean Sean Marshall who had been with the Cubs since 2006 and was traded before he ever played a game under Theo?

 

Rondon is a good call and now that I’m thinking obviously their greatest development was getting Jake into a cy young pitcher. But overall the track record isn’t great at all imo

 

Edit: and Hendricks duh. Sometimes when I get a negative thought I block out obvious facts

[Cubswin11]

Other than Carl, are maples and Underwood the most prominent bullpen arms Theo’s org has “developed”?

 

Boggles my mind how little we’ve got from homegrown pitchers

Pedro, Hector, Marshall they all kinda developed

 

Strop had 126 MLB innings pitched over 4.5 seasons before coming to the Cubs including an all star caliber season with Baltimore in 2012

 

Am I having the ultimate brain fart on Marshall or did you mean Sean Marshall who had been with the Cubs since 2006 and was traded before he ever played a game under Theo?

 

Rondon is a good call and now that I’m thinking obviously their greatest development was getting Jake into a cy young pitcher. But overall the track record isn’t great at all imo

I thought we were just talking RPs. But yeah Jake and Hedricks too. I didn’t realize Pedro was decent for a year or two before coming over, I thought he was bad like Jake. But I guess they identified him. I meant Sean Marshall and Theo traded him, did he not? After they turned him in to a bullpen arm full time and he was successful?

 

But yeah the overall track record isn’t great but he’s always built decent pens once they tried to win starting in 2015. 2015-19 Cubs relievers have the 11 most WAR, 3rd lowest ERA, 8th lowest FIP, 7th lowest xFIP.

[itisallpartoftheplan]

Can’t believe Kris would lie like that. Haha

[UMFan83]

Pedro, Hector, Marshall they all kinda developed

 

Strop had 126 MLB innings pitched over 4.5 seasons before coming to the Cubs including an all star caliber season with Baltimore in 2012

 

Am I having the ultimate brain fart on Marshall or did you mean Sean Marshall who had been with the Cubs since 2006 and was traded before he ever played a game under Theo?

 

Rondon is a good call and now that I’m thinking obviously their greatest development was getting Jake into a cy young pitcher. But overall the track record isn’t great at all imo

I didn’t realize Pedro was decent for a year or two before coming over, I thought he was bad like Jake. But I guess they identified him. I meant Sean Marshall and Theo traded him, did he not? After they turned him in to a bullpen arm full time and he was successful?

 

But yeah the overall track record isn’t great but he’s always built decent pens once they tried to win starting in 2015. 2015-19 Cubs relievers have the 11 most WAR, 3rd lowest ERA, 8th lowest FIP, 7th lowest xFIP.

 

No Marshall was traded in 2011, the offseason that Theo took over, so he never actually played under Theo.

 

You are right though about the overall success of the pen. It just seems like we have so many guys that come up from the minors and have horrific troubles throwing strikes.

[gflore34]

Underwood with a scoreless inning? Is that allowed of Cub' pen?

[gflore34]

 

Strop had 126 MLB innings pitched over 4.5 seasons before coming to the Cubs including an all star caliber season with Baltimore in 2012

 

Am I having the ultimate brain fart on Marshall or did you mean Sean Marshall who had been with the Cubs since 2006 and was traded before he ever played a game under Theo?

 

Rondon is a good call and now that I’m thinking obviously their greatest development was getting Jake into a cy young pitcher. But overall the track record isn’t great at all imo

I didn’t realize Pedro was decent for a year or two before coming over, I thought he was bad like Jake. But I guess they identified him. I meant Sean Marshall and Theo traded him, did he not? After they turned him in to a bullpen arm full time and he was successful?

 

But yeah the overall track record isn’t great but he’s always built decent pens once they tried to win starting in 2015. 2015-19 Cubs relievers have the 11 most WAR, 3rd lowest ERA, 8th lowest FIP, 7th lowest xFIP.

 

No Marshall was traded in 2011, the offseason that Theo took over, so he never actually played under Theo.

 

You are right though about the overall success of the pen. It just seems like we have so many guys that come up from the minors and have horrific troubles throwing strikes.

 

To bad about Maples, if only he could harness his stuff, would be a shutdown closer.

[17 Seconds]

that intentional walk in the 5th was so very stupid

[Derwood]

That was a winnable game

[Cubswin11]

Win tomorrow, idiots. 3 out of 4 this series isn’t insignificant in putting some distance between us and the Reds.

[mias_tisg]

I wonder if Theo was taking a wait and see approach to the pen, hoping that a few arms would emerge either on the team or in the minors. If not, they could either play the waiver wire or trade market. Plan is kind of shot because I don’t think a lot of impact arms will be available at the deadline so improvement has to come from within

That definitely was the plan and over 162 things probably would’ve been sorted out with a few arms internally and 1-3 acquired arms that a solid pen is formed. In 60 games/not having a full spring, it’s tough and basically impossible to go with that plan unless a few guys just catch heaters.

Wonder what a trade deadline is going to look like, gonna assume it's not much with over half the league making the playoffs. Even the Marlins might not be out by then given their week off here.

[Bertz]

I wonder if Theo was taking a wait and see approach to the pen, hoping that a few arms would emerge either on the team or in the minors. If not, they could either play the waiver wire or trade market. Plan is kind of shot because I don’t think a lot of impact arms will be available at the deadline so improvement has to come from within

That definitely was the plan and over 162 things probably would’ve been sorted out with a few arms internally and 1-3 acquired arms that a solid pen is formed. In 60 games/not having a full spring, it’s tough and basically impossible to go with that plan unless a few guys just catch heaters.

Wonder what a trade deadline is going to look like, gonna assume it's not much with over half the league making the playoffs. Even the Marlins might not be out by then given their week off here.

 

It's going to be weird. I imagine there will be a good bit of activity, but very little money changing hands. Also, unless the expanded Arizona Fall League is able to move forward, any notable prospects traded will have to be players to be named later. Pro scouts aren't allowed to attend the alternate sites, so teams would have to be comfortable seeing on video and via statcast if prospects they liked pre-pandemic still have the qualities they like today.

[Cubswin11]

I wonder if Theo was taking a wait and see approach to the pen, hoping that a few arms would emerge either on the team or in the minors. If not, they could either play the waiver wire or trade market. Plan is kind of shot because I don’t think a lot of impact arms will be available at the deadline so improvement has to come from within

That definitely was the plan and over 162 things probably would’ve been sorted out with a few arms internally and 1-3 acquired arms that a solid pen is formed. In 60 games/not having a full spring, it’s tough and basically impossible to go with that plan unless a few guys just catch heaters.

Wonder what a trade deadline is going to look like, gonna assume it's not much with over half the league making the playoffs. Even the Marlins might not be out by then given their week off here.

Ian Kennedy is one of my main bullpen targets, I’d imagine he’s available for the right piece(s).