Jordan/Bulls Doc Release Pushed Up To April 19th

[David]

that was horsefeathering great i want more right now

[Old Style]

After watching the first two episodes I’m bummed there are only 8 more. Can we get a 25 episode Director’s Cut please??????

[David]

 

i have never felt someone else's thought more

[Regular Show]

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[imb]

god it was so horsefeathering good i could barely stand it

[BigbadB]

I thought I might wait until all 10 episodes are recorded, but I don't think I can wait that long. I graduated from high school in Central Illinois in 1982, so I was right there for all of his amazing career. Just didn't get as many televised games in the Peoria area. No one will ever be better than him in my eyes.

[UMFan83]

Was really good. Not really a ton of new info so far (for me at least, I was probably too obsessed during the last half of that run) but absolutely in love with the behind the scenes videos especially of MJ in college, Pippen's college highlights, and the behind the scenes stuff in Paris. Since these 2 episodes were largely setting up the stakes going into the final season, I expect a lot more behind the scenes stuff in the subsequent episodes.

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a million bonus points for using "i ain't no joke" by eric b. and rakim as well as "i'm bad" by ll cool j. both songs absolutely fit the scenes they were in.

[ConstableRabbit]

Is it just me or is Reinsdorf going to be completely let off the hook in all of this? He couldn't have just fired Krause if he was causing so many issues with the team?

[WrigleyField 22]

Is it just me or is Reinsdorf going to be completely let off the hook in all of this? He couldn't have just fired Krause if he was causing so many issues with the team?

We'll see. 8 more hours for any new bombs to drop. At this point in the documentary we already know the happy outcome of 1998. Will be interesting to see how much the fallout post 6th ring and the start of 1999 gets covered. Hopefully at least one or two new bombshells.

[imb]

Is it just me or is Reinsdorf going to be completely let off the hook in all of this? He couldn't have just fired Krause if he was causing so many issues with the team?

 

that's what i was thinking last night. It's just unfathomable how this went down. If horsefeathering fat horsefeathers jerry krause is saying hey guys this winning championships thing is great but what about drafting eddy curry instead, don't you just say get the horsefeathers out of here, idiot. I mean you already have michael and scottie, someone else can't sign bill wennington and steve kerr?

[Brian]

I did fast research a couple of months ago in the Bulls thread and it appears that Jerry Reinsdorf has in about 40 years of owning two sports franchises never fired a GM or similar executive... maybe 1 early on (and now Gar).

 

Krause was GM for 5 years after '98 before retiring to be a baseball scout again, and then Jerry brought him back to the White Sox a couple of years later.

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[WrigleyField 22]

Is it just me or is Reinsdorf going to be completely let off the hook in all of this? He couldn't have just fired Krause if he was causing so many issues with the team?

 

that's what i was thinking last night. It's just unfathomable how this went down. If horsefeathering fat horsefeathers jerry krause is saying hey guys this winning championships thing is great but what about drafting eddy curry instead, don't you just say get the horsefeathers out of here, idiot. I mean you already have michael and scottie, someone else can't sign bill wennington and steve kerr?

Well Krause did go get Scottie too. And Grant during the first 3 peat.

 

Not sure everyone appreciated a sharpshooting specialist like Kerr as much as he would obviously be highly valued today. Krause had his share of clunkers, but he did do a nice job building around Michael.

 

I don't know if he was necessarily wrong to want to want to get out of the downside of an aging Pippen. The Jackson tension was a little different obviously and more egregiously his ego getting in the way it seems. If he threads the needle though, MJ could have carried a good team into his late 30s while you rebuilt around him on the fly. As it was he basically lost that battle in 97 and JR forced all the chips go in for 98, then Krause just got to do his rebuild with whatever he could get out of Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc and the rest walking. But there were a lot of other forces aiming towards that breakup, Krause just wanted to light a match on that kindling asap.

[imb]

Is it just me or is Reinsdorf going to be completely let off the hook in all of this? He couldn't have just fired Krause if he was causing so many issues with the team?

 

that's what i was thinking last night. It's just unfathomable how this went down. If horsefeathering fat horsefeathers jerry krause is saying hey guys this winning championships thing is great but what about drafting eddy curry instead, don't you just say get the horsefeathers out of here, idiot. I mean you already have michael and scottie, someone else can't sign bill wennington and steve kerr?

Well Krause did go get Scottie too. And Grant during the first 3 peat.

 

Not sure everyone appreciated a sharpshooting specialist like Kerr as much as he would obviously be highly valued today. Krause had his share of clunkers, but he did do a nice job building around Michael.

 

I don't know if he was necessarily wrong to want to want to get out of the downside of an aging Pippen. The Jackson tension was a little different obviously and more egregiously his ego getting in the way it seems. If he threads the needle though, MJ could have carried a good team into his late 30s while you rebuilt around him on the fly. As it was he basically lost that battle in 97 and JR forced all the chips go in for 98, then Krause just got to do his rebuild with whatever he could get out of Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc and the rest walking. But there were a lot of other forces aiming towards that breakup, Krause just wanted to light a match on that kindling asap.

 

the minute your horsefeathers GM says hey lets do this move that alienates the best player of all time and makes him retire you fire him on the spot.

[17 Seconds]

story- when I was a kid (in sarasota), my friend down the street came home one day and was telling me how he saw michael jordan in his car and got an autograph. this kid was a spoiled brat and he made up stuff a lot. I just brushed it off and assumed he was lying. later that night I saw him on the news. a paparazzi caught it on film. he got out of his dad's car in the middle of traffic and went up to jordan's car for an autograph. the kid ended up being on good morning america. I completely forgot about this for 20 years.

 

so I'm watching the jordan doc and THERE HE IS. 4 minutes into the first episode, there's my dumbass friend.

 

bumping my awesome story for the 2nd page because it is cool and I am cool

[17 Seconds]

michael has come off as surprisingly likeable so far, outside of not having pippen's back when he was holding out

 

also it was kind of weird for reinsdorf to talk about how he thought it was a bad contract for scottie to sign

[David]

michael has come off as surprisingly likeable so far, outside of not having pippen's back when he was holding out

 

also it was kind of weird for reinsdorf to talk about how he thought it was a bad contract for scottie to sign

 

he said that back then (that he advised scottie not to sign such a long term deal) and he has always maintained it when the subject comes up.

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I guess that's why "no tippin pippen" exists

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that's what i was thinking last night. It's just unfathomable how this went down. If horsefeathering fat horsefeathers jerry krause is saying hey guys this winning championships thing is great but what about drafting eddy curry instead, don't you just say get the horsefeathers out of here, idiot. I mean you already have michael and scottie, someone else can't sign bill wennington and steve kerr?

Well Krause did go get Scottie too. And Grant during the first 3 peat.

 

Not sure everyone appreciated a sharpshooting specialist like Kerr as much as he would obviously be highly valued today. Krause had his share of clunkers, but he did do a nice job building around Michael.

 

I don't know if he was necessarily wrong to want to want to get out of the downside of an aging Pippen. The Jackson tension was a little different obviously and more egregiously his ego getting in the way it seems. If he threads the needle though, MJ could have carried a good team into his late 30s while you rebuilt around him on the fly. As it was he basically lost that battle in 97 and JR forced all the chips go in for 98, then Krause just got to do his rebuild with whatever he could get out of Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc and the rest walking. But there were a lot of other forces aiming towards that breakup, Krause just wanted to light a match on that kindling asap.

 

the minute your horsefeathers GM says hey lets do this move that alienates the best player of all time and makes him retire you fire him on the spot.

Should a fired him when he traded Oakley!

[WrigleyField 22]

I guess that's why "no tippin pippen" exists

No I think he was just a dick.

[raw]

After watching the first two episodes I’m bummed there are only 8 more. Can we get a 25 episode Director’s Cut please??????

 

I want footage of Scottie berating Krause on the team bus. And I know it's there because there was bus footage.

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Is it just me or is Reinsdorf going to be completely let off the hook in all of this? He couldn't have just fired Krause if he was causing so many issues with the team?

 

that's what i was thinking last night. It's just unfathomable how this went down. If horsefeathering fat horsefeathers jerry krause is saying hey guys this winning championships thing is great but what about drafting eddy curry instead, don't you just say get the horsefeathers out of here, idiot. I mean you already have michael and scottie, someone else can't sign bill wennington and steve kerr?

Well Krause did go get Scottie too. And Grant during the first 3 peat.

 

Not sure everyone appreciated a sharpshooting specialist like Kerr as much as he would obviously be highly valued today. Krause had his share of clunkers, but he did do a nice job building around Michael.

 

I don't know if he was necessarily wrong to want to want to get out of the downside of an aging Pippen. The Jackson tension was a little different obviously and more egregiously his ego getting in the way it seems. If he threads the needle though, MJ could have carried a good team into his late 30s while you rebuilt around him on the fly. As it was he basically lost that battle in 97 and JR forced all the chips go in for 98, then Krause just got to do his rebuild with whatever he could get out of Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc and the rest walking. But there were a lot of other forces aiming towards that breakup, Krause just wanted to light a match on that kindling asap.

 

Honestly, the dynasty was probably close to being done anyway. Like was said, that Pacers series was brutal. The Jazz were right there most of the games and were kind of a tough matchup.

 

That being said, I would have loved to seen them let Phil go and let the rest of the team make a run just to see how it ended. Scottie's contract made that tough, but if Jordan was there I think he would have been. The strike shortened season is whatever. The Knicks team that won the East as an 8 seed was the same the Bulls used to beat up on. Them against the twin towers of the Spurs would have been interesting. But I would love to have seen the Bulls, slightly retooled with role players vs. Phil Jackson and the 99-00 Lakers. Jordan and Pippen in the twilight against a prime Shaq and young Kobe, with Phil as the coach.

 

If not for Jordan getting his dad killed and Krause's ego, the Bulls could have legitimately threatened the Celtics 11 rings in 13 years with 11 straight.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

that's what i was thinking last night. It's just unfathomable how this went down. If horsefeathering fat horsefeathers jerry krause is saying hey guys this winning championships thing is great but what about drafting eddy curry instead, don't you just say get the horsefeathers out of here, idiot. I mean you already have michael and scottie, someone else can't sign bill wennington and steve kerr?

Well Krause did go get Scottie too. And Grant during the first 3 peat.

 

Not sure everyone appreciated a sharpshooting specialist like Kerr as much as he would obviously be highly valued today. Krause had his share of clunkers, but he did do a nice job building around Michael.

 

I don't know if he was necessarily wrong to want to want to get out of the downside of an aging Pippen. The Jackson tension was a little different obviously and more egregiously his ego getting in the way it seems. If he threads the needle though, MJ could have carried a good team into his late 30s while you rebuilt around him on the fly. As it was he basically lost that battle in 97 and JR forced all the chips go in for 98, then Krause just got to do his rebuild with whatever he could get out of Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc and the rest walking. But there were a lot of other forces aiming towards that breakup, Krause just wanted to light a match on that kindling asap.

 

Honestly, the dynasty was probably close to being done anyway. Like was said, that Pacers series was brutal. The Jazz were right there most of the games and were kind of a tough matchup.

 

That being said, I would have loved to seen them let Phil go and let the rest of the team make a run just to see how it ended. Scottie's contract made that tough, but if Jordan was there I think he would have been. The strike shortened season is whatever. The Knicks team that won the East as an 8 seed was the same the Bulls used to beat up on. Them against the twin towers of the Spurs would have been interesting. But I would love to have seen the Bulls, slightly retooled with role players vs. Phil Jackson and the 99-00 Lakers. Jordan and Pippen in the twilight against a prime Shaq and young Kobe, with Phil as the coach.

 

If not for Jordan getting his dad killed and Krause's ego, the Bulls could have legitimately threatened the Celtics 11 rings in 13 years with 11 straight.

Watching Pippen and Jordan age would have been one thing. Watching an aging MJ with a young McGrady would have been pretty interesting as well though. But Phil would have probably bailed and if MJ was serious about not playing for anyone, but Phil, that wasn't gonna happen either.

 

So the hypothetical becomes if you would possibly trade the 6th championship for building around McGrady in 97/98 if that trade happens.

[imb]

Well Krause did go get Scottie too. And Grant during the first 3 peat.

 

Not sure everyone appreciated a sharpshooting specialist like Kerr as much as he would obviously be highly valued today. Krause had his share of clunkers, but he did do a nice job building around Michael.

 

I don't know if he was necessarily wrong to want to want to get out of the downside of an aging Pippen. The Jackson tension was a little different obviously and more egregiously his ego getting in the way it seems. If he threads the needle though, MJ could have carried a good team into his late 30s while you rebuilt around him on the fly. As it was he basically lost that battle in 97 and JR forced all the chips go in for 98, then Krause just got to do his rebuild with whatever he could get out of Kukoc, Kerr, Longley, etc and the rest walking. But there were a lot of other forces aiming towards that breakup, Krause just wanted to light a match on that kindling asap.

 

Honestly, the dynasty was probably close to being done anyway. Like was said, that Pacers series was brutal. The Jazz were right there most of the games and were kind of a tough matchup.

 

That being said, I would have loved to seen them let Phil go and let the rest of the team make a run just to see how it ended. Scottie's contract made that tough, but if Jordan was there I think he would have been. The strike shortened season is whatever. The Knicks team that won the East as an 8 seed was the same the Bulls used to beat up on. Them against the twin towers of the Spurs would have been interesting. But I would love to have seen the Bulls, slightly retooled with role players vs. Phil Jackson and the 99-00 Lakers. Jordan and Pippen in the twilight against a prime Shaq and young Kobe, with Phil as the coach.

 

If not for Jordan getting his dad killed and Krause's ego, the Bulls could have legitimately threatened the Celtics 11 rings in 13 years with 11 straight.

Watching Pippen and Jordan age would have been one thing. Watching an aging MJ with a young McGrady would have been pretty interesting as well though. But Phil would have probably bailed and if MJ was serious about not playing for anyone, but Phil, that wasn't gonna happen either.

 

So the hypothetical becomes if you would possibly trade the 6th championship for building around McGrady in 97/98 if that trade happens.

 

the answer to this is not yes