The Multi Inning Reliever Thread

[davell]

No idea where to put this, if it even goes in Transactions or not..... But I think teams are going to start trying guys out in this role more often, after the [expletive] racist Brewer and even seeing teams using it more often in the postseason.......

 

Personally, I love the idea. The question I've got is if Maddon can be trusted to use a guy in this role correctly. Let's assume they figure this part out somehow.....

 

I think it fits with treating each game more seriously too. And while you're using this guy for over an inning, maybe over 2, you're also saving others at the same time obviously. I figure this guy is a once a series type basically. And probably a guy we can get 75-100 innings out of. So, he's got to be good, is the first thing lol. Might as well check out our own roster first, to see if we can unearth one......

 

Do we have a guy on the roster or in the system to try in this role?

 

Major League Options

 

Chatwood- I mean, he's got good stuff. If the control suddenly goes back to normal(bad, not shitty), maybe he's an option? Because we've got 5 starters. If healthy, we've got Lester, Quintana, Hendricks, Darvish, and Hamels.

 

Smyly- This is the guy I think is our best shot to fill this role, as far as guys expected to be on our Opening Day roster. But, I'm assuming he adds at least a bit of velo by being used this way......

 

Montgomery- Probably a long shot? He's honestly seemed better as a starter than out of the pen, to me. But, if we try this role, I guess we've got to try him out in it.....

 

Minor League Options

 

Alzolay- They've acted like he's pretty close to being ready. If that's true, the role is perfect for him. Gets him a decent amount of innings and eases him into the majors. He's definitely got the stuff to fill the role too. He may be a dark horse candidate, but he's my personal favorite in-house option.......

 

Webster- He's got nasty stuff, this role seems like it could be a fit for him too. Hes used to starters innings, I figure he'd get consideration. In fact, I like him more than anyone outside of Alzolay, for the role.....

 

The Best Option We're Familiar With.......

 

Gotta be Chavez, right? I have questions as to whether or not he can keep up what he did in 2018 obviously. But, he's got to be brought back and given a chance at this role, right? If so, then he becomes our odds on favorite to fill it.......

 

Trade Options

 

Raisel Iglesias- Not sure if Cincy, who thinks they're opening their window, would deal him inside the division..... Not sure if we'd deal Schwarber or Happ, guys with Cincy ties, to them either.......

 

A bunch of Atlanta youngsters- A place where Schwarber or Happ COULD be dealt to. And a guy like Max Tried or Touki Toussaint, in particular, seem like great fits for this role, to me.

 

Free Agents

 

Nathan Eovaldi- Yeah, he's going to cost a bunch. Especially for a role like this. He may just want to start anyway. But, he could be a legit stud in this type of role too. But, can we afford to give him 4/60 or whatever it takes to get him?(only asking because I'm expecting Bryce, a SS or UT guy, and one more pen guy) But, he's got crazy good stuff and I think he could be as good as anyone, in this role. Even the Milwaukee horsefeathers.

 

Tyson Ross- Worth a shot? Might keep him healthier. He's always had good stuff, maybe in a role like this, he adds back some velo he's lost over the injury history? If we don't bring back Chavez and Eovaldi is too expensive, I kind of like trying this with him......

 

Andrew Miller- He's signing a short term deal. MAYBE he's got one more year in him? I'm not sure how comfortable I'd be with him, but every damn FA I think this role fits, has plenty of injury history(other than maybe Chavez? Don't even know lol)

 

 

Anyway, anyone got any other options for the role? Or if you think there's no chance we go down this path yet?

[Bote McBoteface]

Give me Andrew Miller one year deal and between him, Chatwood and Smyly I think we’re good.

[Bear Cub]

Start with re-signing Mr. Chavez.

[sneakypower]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

[Banedon]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

 

He could do it physically, imo. He just has to figure out the metal side of it. The guy has to be more consistent before you can trust him in that kind of role.

[Cubswin11]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

 

He could do it physically, imo. He just has to figure out the metal side of it. The guy has to be more consistent before you can trust him in that kind of role.

Wasn’t he literally turned in to a relief pitcher because he kept getting hurt as a starter?

[Banedon]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

 

He could do it physically, imo. He just has to figure out the metal side of it. The guy has to be more consistent before you can trust him in that kind of role.

Wasn’t he literally turned in to a relief pitcher because he kept getting hurt as a starter?

 

He had a shoulder injury, but I don't know if the move was entirely due to that.

 

“Part of it was durability or endurance,” Maddon said. “Plus, I think people just potentially see a dynamic relief pitcher right there. I do, too. I like it.”

 

Edwards had been Baseball America’s No. 38 overall prospect heading into last season. The Cubs didn’t push him too hard after a strained right shoulder limited him to 48 innings in 2014.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/chicago-cubs/cubs-see-carl-edwards-jrs-future-bullpen

[Transmogrified Tiger]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

 

I think in the abstract that makes sense, but I also have a sneaking suspicion that 2019 is the year Edwards blows his arm out.

[Bull]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

 

I think in the abstract that makes sense, but I also have a sneaking suspicion that 2019 is the year Edwards blows his arm out.

 

I think it has already happened and he's been pitching through the pain. I have absolutely no evidence behind this but think that it happens significantly more often than we (and teams) are led to believe.

[Regular Show]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

 

I think in the abstract that makes sense, but I also have a sneaking suspicion that 2019 is the year Edwards blows his arm out.

 

He doesn't have the control or command to be a starter. Come on guys.

 

Also, I could see Edwards wearing down and there's a much greater chance of him getting hurt if you made him a starter. Dude just can't fill out and get stronger. I'm not sure about "blowing out his arm" because honestly he doesn't overexert himself on the mound. His pitching mechanics are fine (like in terms of staying healthy; maybe not the best for good command/control). He's a good athlete and has a good delivery.

 

Every pitcher can get hurt and blow out their UCL, but Hendricks and Edwards are two pitchers I'd put near the bottom of the list. I'd put good money on them never getting a TJS in their careers.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No one is talking about making Edwards a starter, the thought is that since he was a starter through most of his minor league career and he wasn't converted because he failed at it, that he might be a good fit to be a multi-inning fireman.

 

As far as injuries go, Edwards missed time with a shoulder injury this year and his command deteriorated dramatically over the course of the year. Could be nothing, but it would be very unsurprising that it turns out to be a harbinger of a significant injury.

[Cubswin11]

No one is talking about making Edwards a starter, the thought is that since he was a starter through most of his minor league career and he wasn't converted because he failed at it, that he might be a good fit to be a multi-inning fireman.

 

As far as injuries go, Edwards missed time with a shoulder injury this year and his command deteriorated dramatically over the course of the year. Could be nothing, but it would be very unsurprising that it turns out to be a harbinger of a significant injury.

He ended the year with a forearm thing too and his velo and movement was down. This likely stemmed from the shoulder thing because our idiot medical staff probably didn’t diagnose or treat it right. He was awful and then hurt again after he came back from that.

[treebird]

there was always the thought Edwards Jr. had the stuff to be a starter, is it just not possible he could withstand this type of role?

 

even still his health can't be less dependable than some names listed like Chatwood, Smyly, Eovaldi

 

I think in the abstract that makes sense, but I also have a sneaking suspicion that 2019 is the year Edwards blows his arm out.

 

He doesn't have the control or command to be a starter. Come on guys.

 

Also, I could see Edwards wearing down and there's a much greater chance of him getting hurt if you made him a starter. Dude just can't fill out and get stronger. I'm not sure about "blowing out his arm" because honestly he doesn't overexert himself on the mound. His pitching mechanics are fine (like in terms of staying healthy; maybe not the best for good command/control). He's a good athlete and has a good delivery.

 

Every pitcher can get hurt and blow out their UCL, but Hendricks and Edwards are two pitchers I'd put near the bottom of the list. I'd put good money on them never getting a TJS in their careers.

 

if c. edwards tears his u. collateral ligament and has to have t. john surgery next season it is your fault

[Regular Show]

No one is talking about making Edwards a starter, the thought is that since he was a starter through most of his minor league career and he wasn't converted because he failed at it, that he might be a good fit to be a multi-inning fireman.

 

Oh okay. Ah, so I don't think he has good enough command to be a multi-inning fireman either. He definitely has the stuff for that role.

 

Maybe if his control/command improves? During his bad stretches he just struggles to throw strikes so the chances of having a bad inning/outing would only increase in a multi-inning role.

[Regular Show]

I think if we want someone in this multi-inning role we should look to Tampa Bay and what they've been doing. They have a lot of interesting relievers.

 

I like Ryne Stanek, but it's going to be hard to acquire him.

 

Also, Eovaldi will be signed as a starter and the Cubs should stay far away from him. I think he's getting hurt again and I think signing him for more than a 1-year deal (plus an option or multiple options) is stupid. Great stuff, but a terrible delivery/arm action.

[davell]

Sharma's article today mentioned we're wanting to use most of our funds on hitting obviously. Mentioned we don't have it in the budget to sign a Miller or Britton. Said our dream guy is Doolittle, to pair with Morrow late in games. Also mentioned Will Smith and Tony Watson, as guys we're interested in. Also brought up we're interested in bringing back both Chavez and Delarosa.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Are there rumors Doolittle is available? Or is that an assumption that if they miss out on Harper they'll play for 2020 and beyond?

[Cubswin11]

Sharma's article today mentioned we're wanting to use most of our funds on hitting obviously. Mentioned we don't have it in the budget to sign a Miller or Britton. Said our dream guy is Doolittle, to pair with Morrow late in games. Also mentioned Will Smith and Tony Watson, as guys we're interested in. Also brought up we're interested in bringing back both Chavez and Delarosa.

I’d love one of Doolittle or Smith. I also like Chavez back for real cheap and I guess JDLR on a minor league deal with a call up date type deal would be fine.

[Cubswin11]

Brandon Maurer on a MiL deal could end up looking shrewd. He’s one of those guys with a profile mix I’d be willing to dumpster dive on in hopes of catching lightning in a bottle - power stuff, healthy and major arm surgery free, still young at 29 next year, came up with legitimate SP prospects (check out his AA season at age 21 including 4 HRs ew in 137 IP), some ML success

I’ve always had an irrational like for him as a RP option, the stuff and tools seem there. But he’s always sucked. I still wouldn’t mind a minor league deal.

[davell]

From the "they suck, but I've kind of always liked them" pile of poop, Martin Perez and Matt Moore both had their options declined today.

[Cubswin11]

From the "they suck, but I've kind of always liked them" pile of poop, Martin Perez and Matt Moore both had their options declined today.

Wouldn’t mind reuniting Hickey and Moore in the right circumstance (probably not a major league deal) and try him as a RP/swingman

[Post Count Padder]

Moore on a minor league deal would be ok.

 

Remember when the Rangers wouldn't include Perez in the Garza deal?