Bears offseason

[Derwood]

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plz no

 

I'm kind of in the "screw pitchers" mode with drafting QB's right now. This is not the year

[davell]

He's shoving QB in the 1st down anyone's throat who will listen. I'll believe it when it happens.

 

1) Fox and Pace are (currently) tied at the hip. They need to show progress. Getting nothing from your 1st rounder doesn't make that an easy task.

 

2) If they were truly looking for a QB in the 1st, why wouldn't they have just kept Hoyer for less money, than giving what they did, to Glennon? They look like they're trying to buy time and possibly even fix QB, without spending their first on a QB now.

 

3) Some keep disputing next years QB class, saying "its always better next year". Leming being a main instigator of this crap. He says some guys will fall off.....So? Other guys will step up too lol. The bottom line is at the same stage, next years class dwarfs the current one. Last year at this time, it was just Kizer and Watson being looked at as 1st rounders and it didn't show many with potential either. Outside of the top 3 of Darnold, Rosen, and Allen- there's plenty of other guys with 1st Rd possibilities too.....Randolph, Mayfair, Jackson, Falk, McSorley, Browning, Francois, Jarrett Stidham at Auburn is making a huge impression and could wind up just being a 1 year starter....

 

And yes, you can poke holes in most of that second group. Some will end up 3rd day guys. But, the sheer numbers also dictates that next year actually IS better. Should be MUCH better.

 

Not to mention, I think the Bears taking Kizer in the 2nd makes much more sense than one of the others at 3 or slightly behind that.

[WrigleyField 22]

I haven't read much rumor mill stuff, so I don't know what to expect, but those are all bad reasons, generally, for not taking a QB and Derwood's pitcher analogy makes zero sense.

[raw]

He's shoving QB in the 1st down anyone's throat who will listen. I'll believe it when it happens.

 

1) Fox and Pace are (currently) tied at the hip. They need to show progress. Getting nothing from your 1st rounder doesn't make that an easy task.

 

2) If they were truly looking for a QB in the 1st, why wouldn't they have just kept Hoyer for less money, than giving what they did, to Glennon? They look like they're trying to buy time and possibly even fix QB, without spending their first on a QB now.

 

3) Some keep disputing next years QB class, saying "its always better next year". Leming being a main instigator of this crap. He says some guys will fall off.....So? Other guys will step up too lol. The bottom line is at the same stage, next years class dwarfs the current one. Last year at this time, it was just Kizer and Watson being looked at as 1st rounders and it didn't show many with potential either. Outside of the top 3 of Darnold, Rosen, and Allen- there's plenty of other guys with 1st Rd possibilities too.....Randolph, Mayfair, Jackson, Falk, McSorley, Browning, Francois, Jarrett Stidham at Auburn is making a huge impression and could wind up just being a 1 year starter....

 

And yes, you can poke holes in most of that second group. Some will end up 3rd day guys. But, the sheer numbers also dictates that next year actually IS better. Should be MUCH better.

 

Not to mention, I think the Bears taking Kizer in the 2nd makes much more sense than one of the others at 3 or slightly behind that.

 

The Bears didn't keep Hoyer, because Hoyer sucks, has always sucked, and will never be good enough. I personally think Glennon won't be good enough either, but at least there's a chance he is. Glennon gives Fox his veteran QB so he feels like he's not rebuilding at 60-whatever years old. But it also gives Pace a guy who could potentially win some games and be a long-term option.

 

You know there's no guarantee Kizer is there in the 2nd, right? You also know that if Kizer is the 4th or 5th QB taken in this draft, the odds are favorable that he plays like the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft class, which is to say, not very good.

 

And while the 2018 very well may be better, the Bears aren't likely to be in the same position next year. They were pretty miserable last year and still weren't good enough to get one of the 1st 2 picks. With more health, better talent on the defensive side, a more stable QB (3 guys started 5 times last year)....the Bears are likely to pick outside of the top 10 (like they did just a year ago, before they traded to 9). So, even if this class is great, you're probably not going to have the 1 or 2 pick to get Darnold or Allen unless you trade multiple 1st round picks to trade up, which we have seen doesn't turn out well. If you stay put because this class is so great, you're still looking at the 4th or 5th best QB in the draft. You know who else was the 4th and 5th best QBs? Rex Grossman and Cade McNown.

 

I don't understand why if you acknowledge the Bears need a QB, why you are intentionally willing to hope to have a shot at the 4th best guy when you are in the prime position to take the top QB in the draft. I understand BPA and all that, but this isn't DE vs. CB. This is by far the most important position in any sport.

[davell]

I think Kizer may be better than the 4th-5th guy personally. And in a weak to average class, I seriously doubt teams have this group ranked the same. I AM starting to believe that he's sliding though. I do think he's there in the 2nd.

 

Honestly, I don't see us finishing outside the top 10 picks. Granted, that likely means Glennon failed. Which I do kind of expect, since we don't even really have him a solid group of receivers.

 

But, at any rate, if we have a losing year, Fox is probably gone. If Pace has enough support to survive, he obviously can't survive another bad hire. Pigeonholing yourself with a 1st round QB that's probably getting little time in 2017, may cost you a few guys in your coaching search. Because they'll want their own guy. Plus, the young QB is going to be switching systems after a year, which sucks. And hurts his development obviously.

 

If you get one in the 2nd, my total GUESS is that it wouldn't preclude us from taking one again next year, if the opportunity was there.

 

I get that we need one. But, this group isn't worth anything near the 3rd pick, in my eyes.(I know our views are different on this). If we can trade down multiple times, gain a bunch of picks.....Fine. Give me a QB with our 1st. I don't think it plays out that way though.

 

Fascinating to watch play out. Nothing will surprise me. We may see 5 QB's go in the 1st. We may just see Trubisky and Mahomes. Or any other combo.

 

My guess? Trubisky goes 10 to Buffalo. Cleveland trades for Garoppolo. Mahomes goes 25 to Houston. Pittsburgh takes Watson at 30. We trade BACK in the 2nd and STILL get Kizer, as the Jets pass on him and Arizona takes Webb.

[davell]

I think this is the silliest I've ever seen a silly season get.....There are literally rumors of the Bears doing EVERYTHING. Trade up to 2 for their QB. Antsy to trade down. Dead set on taking a QB. Not in love with any of the QB's.....I get this stuff happens, but I definitely think its amplified this year.

 

I think I've made my peace, if they do decide to take a QB at 3, or even with a trade back. Because, while I disagree, at least it'd be the death blow to this regime, if it failed. So, while I kind of like Pace, a failed QB in the 1st, would probably do him in. On the opposite end, if he hits, I guess things could move quicker too, towards being good again.

 

But the rumors.....Jets(Jets also rumored to move down lol), Bills, and Browns, plus the Texans all looking to move up for their QB. Chargers, Redskins, and Steelers also looking at QB's.

 

Kizer now not only behind Webb, but behind Peterson now too? Wtf has he done to be dropping like this? In non-QB news, Lattimore's hamstrings may put Conley ahead of him. McCaffrey may go top 10 now.....

 

Here's my current top 10.....

 

1) Cleveland- Edge Myles Garrett

2) Jets(from San Fran) QB Mitch Trubisky( give up pick 38 and 2nd next year)

3) Panthers(from Chicago) RB Leonard Fournette ( give up picks 40 and 64, get pick 111)

4) Jacksonville- DL Solomon Thomas

5) Cleveland( from Tennessee) QB Deshaun Watson ( give up pick 33 and 108)

6) Cincy(from San Fran) DL Jonathan Allen (give up pick 73)

7) Chargers LB Reuben Foster

8) Chicago S Jamal Adams

9) Houston(from San Fran) QB Pat Mahomes( give up 57 and 1st next year, get 66 this year)

10) Buffalo- S Malik Hooker

 

Other Bears picks

 

Trade 36 to New England for 96 and 2nd, 3rd next year

40) QB Deshone Kizer

64) WR Curtis Samuel

67) CB Cordrea Tankersley

96) TE Jake Butt

117) DL Jaleel Johnson

147) Edge Garrett Sickles

221) OT Will Holden

[jersey cubs fan]

I think I've made my peace, if they do decide to take a QB at 3, or even with a trade back. Because, while I disagree, at least it'd be the death blow to this regime, if it failed. So, while I kind of like Pace, a failed QB in the 1st, would probably do him in. On the opposite end, if he hits, I guess things could move quicker too, towards being good again.

 

But if it's a failure, we won't "know" it for a couple years at least. Glennon would be the cover-up to the first round QB being a bust, because they can say the young guy will be the backup until Glennon makes it impossible to start him. So that could buy them all of 2017 and then give the rookie all of 2018 and suddenly we're into 2019 before a new regime takes over.

 

That would suck, and I'm really not at peace with that timeline.

[davell]

I think I've made my peace, if they do decide to take a QB at 3, or even with a trade back. Because, while I disagree, at least it'd be the death blow to this regime, if it failed. So, while I kind of like Pace, a failed QB in the 1st, would probably do him in. On the opposite end, if he hits, I guess things could move quicker too, towards being good again.

 

But if it's a failure, we won't "know" it for a couple years at least. Glennon would be the cover-up to the first round QB being a bust, because they can say the young guy will be the backup until Glennon makes it impossible to start him. So that could buy them all of 2017 and then give the rookie all of 2018 and suddenly we're into 2019 before a new regime takes over.

 

That would suck, and I'm really not at peace with that timeline.

 

That's when Fox and his contracts are up. I don't think Pace leaves under any circumstance before then. In this situation, it very well may mean we're stuck with Fox for his entire 4 years too.

 

It just doesn't seem to me that we can let Pace fire Fox, without extending Pace. And he's done nothing to warrant an extension.

 

From a "preserve my job" standpoint, Pace trading back multiple times, into the 20's, acquiring an extra 1st next year in that, COULD save HIS job. Especially if he convinced everyone the next coach needs to have his choice of QB's....I could see that scenario play out, Fox hanging himself with a 6 or less win year and Pace still thumping his chest about being close.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think I've made my peace, if they do decide to take a QB at 3, or even with a trade back. Because, while I disagree, at least it'd be the death blow to this regime, if it failed. So, while I kind of like Pace, a failed QB in the 1st, would probably do him in. On the opposite end, if he hits, I guess things could move quicker too, towards being good again.

 

But if it's a failure, we won't "know" it for a couple years at least. Glennon would be the cover-up to the first round QB being a bust, because they can say the young guy will be the backup until Glennon makes it impossible to start him. So that could buy them all of 2017 and then give the rookie all of 2018 and suddenly we're into 2019 before a new regime takes over.

 

That would suck, and I'm really not at peace with that timeline.

 

That's when Fox and his contracts are up. I don't think Pace leaves under any circumstance before then. In this situation, it very well may mean we're stuck with Fox for his entire 4 years too.

 

It just doesn't seem to me that we can let Pace fire Fox, without extending Pace. And he's done nothing to warrant an extension.

 

From a "preserve my job" standpoint, Pace trading back multiple times, into the 20's, acquiring an extra 1st next year in that, COULD save HIS job. Especially if he convinced everyone the next coach needs to have his choice of QB's....I could see that scenario play out, Fox hanging himself with a 6 or less win year and Pace still thumping his chest about being close.

 

But are they really going to to into a season with a HC and GM in the final year of their respective contracts? Most guys are either extended before it gets to that point or fired before that final year.

[davell]

 

But if it's a failure, we won't "know" it for a couple years at least. Glennon would be the cover-up to the first round QB being a bust, because they can say the young guy will be the backup until Glennon makes it impossible to start him. So that could buy them all of 2017 and then give the rookie all of 2018 and suddenly we're into 2019 before a new regime takes over.

 

That would suck, and I'm really not at peace with that timeline.

 

That's when Fox and his contracts are up. I don't think Pace leaves under any circumstance before then. In this situation, it very well may mean we're stuck with Fox for his entire 4 years too.

 

It just doesn't seem to me that we can let Pace fire Fox, without extending Pace. And he's done nothing to warrant an extension.

 

From a "preserve my job" standpoint, Pace trading back multiple times, into the 20's, acquiring an extra 1st next year in that, COULD save HIS job. Especially if he convinced everyone the next coach needs to have his choice of QB's....I could see that scenario play out, Fox hanging himself with a 6 or less win year and Pace still thumping his chest about being close.

 

But are they really going to to into a season with a HC and GM in the final year of their respective contracts? Most guys are either extended before it gets to that point or fired before that final year.

 

Good point, considering they supposedly had blowback from some FA this year about coming in to a lame duck coaching situation. Maybe Fox retires after this season? Would make things slightly easier, I guess?

 

Pace needs a home run this draft though, for him to be extended, prior to the 2018 season.

 

 

Some VERY interesting stuff on the draft. Makes it seem like Watson IS our guy, with a trade back into the 1st. Allen being our guy at 3.

[Brian707]

Per Brad Biggs

 

2017 Bears schedule

 

Sept 10 Falcons

Sept 17 at Bucs

Sept 24 Steelers

Sept 28 at Packers

Oct. 9 Vikings

Oct. 15 at Ravens

Oct. 22 Panthers

Oct. 29 at Saints

Nov. 5 bye

Nov. 12 Packers

Nov. 19 Lions

Nov. 26 at Eagles

Dec. 3 49ers

Dec. 10 at Bengals

Dec. 16 at Lions

Dec. 24 Browns

Dec. 31 at Vikings

[WrigleyField 22]

Whos coming out Christmas Eve to watch that game with huge playoff implications between the CHICAGO BEARS and CLEVELAND BROWNS?

[Cubswin11]

Didn't realize there's Christmas Eve games again this year, nice. Also New Years Eve games. I like it.

[davell]

Whos coming out Christmas Eve to watch that game with huge playoff implications between the CHICAGO BEARS and CLEVELAND BROWNS?

 

 

That's the Sam Darnold Bowl.

[jumbo]

My bet is 3 wins

[minnesotacubsfan]

My bet is 3 wins

 

We can only hope

[Guest]

The Bears' top pick has to be a QB, at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears' top pick has to be a QB, at this point.

Why?

[Derwood]

The Bears' top pick has to be a QB, at this point.

 

Uh, no.

[David]

apparently greg gabriel, moon mullin, and leming all think the bears very much like and will draft watson if available

[davell]

apparently greg gabriel, moon mullin, and leming all think the bears very much like and will draft watson if available

 

I am so horsefeathering sick of hearing about this shitty group of QB's. Take one at 3 Pace. Do it. At least you'll get fired quicker.

 

Honest guess is we can trade back into the 20's and get Watson. Hopefully that's what happens if we get him.

[Guest]

apparently greg gabriel, moon mullin, and leming all think the bears very much like and will draft watson if available

 

I am so horsefeathering sick of hearing about this horsefeathers group of QB's. Take one at 3 Pace. Do it. At least you'll get fired quicker.

 

Honest guess is we can trade back into the 20's and get Watson. Hopefully that's what happens if we get him.

 

It's more likely that they trade up from their second pick.

[davell]

apparently greg gabriel, moon mullin, and leming all think the bears very much like and will draft watson if available

 

I am so horsefeathering sick of hearing about this horsefeathers group of QB's. Take one at 3 Pace. Do it. At least you'll get fired quicker.

 

Honest guess is we can trade back into the 20's and get Watson. Hopefully that's what happens if we get him.

 

It's more likely that they trade up from their second pick.

 

Doesn't seem like it, but that's what I meant there. Trade back into the 1st, using our 2nd+ to get into the 20's.

[Cubswin11]

I don't know if they'd do a trade because of stupid rivalry reasons, if they are smart FO's they should if it's mutually beneficial, but I was listening to some Wisconsin sports radio today (I had to drive a lot for work to different meetings) and a lot of the Packers reporters/radio dudes think a trade down is in play with their first round pick to a team looking to come in late 1st to get a QB to get the 5th year of control. The Packers have a lot of holes to fill and their areas of need are the relative strengths of this draft (secondary players, edge rushers, RB) so they'd be fine adding 1-2 additional picks for dropping out of the first, was their thinking/predictions.

 

I am kinda fan of Watson, at least like him the most of the "top" QBs in this class, but taking him or any of the other ones at 3 would be really dumb. IMO.

[benzona79]

Brett Kolman is the best football voice on youtube IMO. He teaches me so much about football...and about myself. He makes me want to be a better person.

 

Here is his mock draft I've been waiting two weeks for:

 

Definitely worth checking out all his individual breakdowns as well.