Bears offseason

[Butterscup]

 

so now we have a QB who can't move without a strong RT to protect him. A+ offseason so far, Pace and friends.

[BigbadB]

I've been a Cutler apologist as long as you have, but he's now about as popular as ketchup on a hot dog on the Fourth of July in Chicago.

I could not care less about this theory.

 

 

If Pace gets the opportunity to move forward after his disappointing early results, he should do so only with the eye toward improvement, not appeasing idiots who can't stand Cutler and would be happy to suck w/o Cutler just as long as they do it w/o Cutler.

 

Glennon is a plan designed for failure, but because you convince everybody a stopgap is a thing, then failure is accepted and he will not only live through that failure but also get to live through a prolonged development of the guy that replaces Glennon.

 

Cutting Cutler and signing Glennon is a PR move, not a football one. It's a buffer that does nothing to make the team better.

 

 

Jay's time has come and gone. He's also pretty injury prone at this point. Its conceivable Glennon IS a better QB in 2017 than Jay will be.

 

I would almost bet that the decision to move on from Cutler could have come from higher up than Pace. Seems like the entire organization is ready to move on.

[UMFan83]

I hope we can at least end up with Gilmore...

[David]

I've talked myself into being OK with the Glennon thing. Highest PFF rated FA QB (other than Cousins), and I know that's damning with faint praise, but he's a competent player there. I liked him a couple years ago when he was starting for the Bucs, and then they had Winston fall in their laps.

[David]

I've been a Cutler apologist as long as you have, but he's now about as popular as ketchup on a hot dog on the Fourth of July in Chicago.

I could not care less about this theory.

 

 

If Pace gets the opportunity to move forward after his disappointing early results, he should do so only with the eye toward improvement, not appeasing idiots who can't stand Cutler and would be happy to suck w/o Cutler just as long as they do it w/o Cutler.

 

Glennon is a plan designed for failure, but because you convince everybody a stopgap is a thing, then failure is accepted and he will not only live through that failure but also get to live through a prolonged development of the guy that replaces Glennon.

 

Cutting Cutler and signing Glennon is a PR move, not a football one. It's a buffer that does nothing to make the team better.

 

 

Jay's time has come and gone. He's also pretty injury prone at this point. Its conceivable Glennon IS a better QB in 2017 than Jay will be.

 

Yeah, I think he probably is. Especially with Cutler's rotator cuff thing being a big question mark. It makes the one elite skill he has very questionable.

[David]

 

so now we have a QB who can't move without a strong RT to protect him. A+ offseason so far, Pace and friends.

 

Contrary to what many believe, the offensive line, as presently constructed, is far from terrible. It's pretty decent.

[BigbadB]

I've talked myself into being OK with the Glennon thing. Highest PFF rated FA QB (other than Cousins), and I know that's damning with faint praise, but he's a competent player there. I liked him a couple years ago when he was starting for the Bucs, and then they had Winston fall in their laps.

 

In 2013, Glennon only had Vincent Jackson as a threat to throw to since Mike Williams got hurt 3 games into taking over as a starter. After Jackson, it was a hot pile of garbage. That's not an endorsement, but it could help explain why he gave off such a "game manager" profile. Doug Martin was hurt, also.

[David]

I've talked myself into being OK with the Glennon thing. Highest PFF rated FA QB (other than Cousins), and I know that's damning with faint praise, but he's a competent player there. I liked him a couple years ago when he was starting for the Bucs, and then they had Winston fall in their laps.

 

In 2013, Glennon only had Vincent Jackson as a threat to throw to since Mike Williams got hurt 3 games into taking over as a starter. After Jackson, it was a hot pile of garbage. That's not an endorsement, but it could help explain why he gave off such a "game manager" profile. Doug Martin was hurt, also.

 

Yeah. My approval also hinges on what the contract is and with the talk of his market coming down, I'm encouraged. If it ends up being too much of our cap space, I reserve the right to change my mind.

[UMFan83]

I've talked myself into being OK with the Glennon thing. Highest PFF rated FA QB (other than Cousins), and I know that's damning with faint praise, but he's a competent player there. I liked him a couple years ago when he was starting for the Bucs, and then they had Winston fall in their laps.

 

The issue is, do you see him as your long term solution, and if not will Glennon starting prevent the Bears from acquiring and giving playing time to the guy you do see as long term (most likely via the draft)?

[jersey cubs fan]

Contrary to what many believe, the offensive line, as presently constructed, is far from terrible. It's pretty decent.

The line is fine, by itself.

 

But with a garbage QB and what may end up being a garbage receiver group if Alshon leaves, an offensive line that is "pretty decent" is not good enough.

 

If you are going to purposefully start a season with a guy like Glennon at QB, you sure as horsefeathers better have a great offensive line.

[David]

I've talked myself into being OK with the Glennon thing. Highest PFF rated FA QB (other than Cousins), and I know that's damning with faint praise, but he's a competent player there. I liked him a couple years ago when he was starting for the Bucs, and then they had Winston fall in their laps.

 

The issue is, do you see him as your long term solution, and if not will Glennon starting prevent the Bears from acquiring and giving playing time to the guy you do see as long term (most likely via the draft)?

 

I think there's a non-zero chance he might be. And, if he's not, I don't necessarily think a rookie should just be thrown in, especially if it's a round 2 or later guy.

[jersey cubs fan]

I've talked myself into being OK with the Glennon thing. Highest PFF rated FA QB (other than Cousins), and I know that's damning with faint praise, but he's a competent player there. I liked him a couple years ago when he was starting for the Bucs, and then they had Winston fall in their laps.

 

The issue is, do you see him as your long term solution, and if not will Glennon starting prevent the Bears from acquiring and giving playing time to the guy you do see as long term (most likely via the draft)?

 

I think there's a non-zero chance he might be. And, if he's not, I don't necessarily think a rookie should just be thrown in, especially if it's a round 2 or later guy.

You already qualified it with the worthless "non-zero" designation, why the need to go further with "might".

[Guest]

depressing

[David]

 

The issue is, do you see him as your long term solution, and if not will Glennon starting prevent the Bears from acquiring and giving playing time to the guy you do see as long term (most likely via the draft)?

 

I think there's a non-zero chance he might be. And, if he's not, I don't necessarily think a rookie should just be thrown in, especially if it's a round 2 or later guy.

You already qualified it with the worthless "non-zero" designation, why the need to go further with "might".

 

You love to parse words so much.

 

I think Glennon can be a competent starting QB and there's value in holding onto that long term. If we find a guy in the draft who we feel better about, then he's not. But I also think it's a reasonable possibility that Glennon plays well enough that we don't have to look elsewhere going forward.

 

I think the term "long term solution" is kind of worthless. Unless you have one of a handful of elite guys, you're always in kind of "keep this guy around unless you happen upon someone better" mode. Yeah, I think it's conceivable Glennon is our starting QB for 5 years. I also think it's possible we draft someone and hand him the starting job after Glennon starts for 2 years. It all depends on just how well he plays. I'm not into pretending I can scout or predict those things. I'm just saying I think he's a good enough player that it's conceivable.

[David]

Theo Epstein is the greatest thing to ever happen to Ryan Pace.

 

 

If he can convince management that in year 3 John Fox as HC and Mike Glennon at QB is good enough for him to have a job..., boy howdy.

Pretty dead on

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[Thrilho]

Ok then, so I read that Cutler is the solution.

 

So then you are illiterate.

Right on. I can read well enough to see that the only two QB names you typed out were Cutler and Glennon. What was your solution again?

I'm still trying to figure out what all these letters and spaces mean. Did you come up with an alternate solution in here and I missed it?

[David]

 

So then you are illiterate.

Right on. I can read well enough to see that the only two QB names you typed out were Cutler and Glennon. What was your solution again?

I'm still trying to figure out what all these letters and spaces mean. Did you come up with an alternate solution in here and I missed it?

 

Does he really need to? He's not the GM. He can dislike a move without having to come up with a better one himself.

[Thrilho]

Right on. I can read well enough to see that the only two QB names you typed out were Cutler and Glennon. What was your solution again?

I'm still trying to figure out what all these letters and spaces mean. Did you come up with an alternate solution in here and I missed it?

 

Does he really need to? He's not the GM. He can dislike a move without having to come up with a better one himself.

Nah I'm just trying to figure out the part where my literacy wasn't good enough to find the non-Cutler option in that post.

[Thrilho]

Also I don't understand the point of getting pissed off at a move without a better option. Seems like the "we need to build a good team immediately" argument with the Cubs a few years ago. So which guy do you want, Fielder or Pujols? Well neither, but they should be doing everything they can to get better!

 

Different sports whatever...but if we're debating the best possible option for now it doesn't make sense to me to just get angry about the past. I say draft a QB and use a stopgap because that seems like the best plausible option.

[SpongeWorthy]

The thin tail positive outcome is Glennon becomes a guy you can build a contender around. Every other outcome dictates drafting a QB early this season and next. Look at Houston going after Romo despite that awful Osweiler deal. Glennon only blocks a young draft pick by being great.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I would almost bet that the decision to move on from Cutler could have come from higher up than Pace. Seems like the entire organization is ready to move on.

I kind of doubt that. McCaskey has always been a big Cutler fan.

 

I'm kind of where David is at. I don't view Glennon as a mere stop gap. I think he could conceivably adequately fill the roll for a few years. And being younger than Cutler, there is a past/future argument thst could be made. With Taylor not hitting the market, he is also probably the best vet option for this team.

 

That said, it is critical that the Bears stop treating the position as one that only requires major investment once a decade. If for some reason Glennon precludes a serious investment in a young signal caller (whereas say Hoyer wouldn't have) I'd be very upset.

 

Would I have loved to keep Cutler? Yes, because I love Cutler, but I suppose I just accepted long ago he wasnt going to be back.

 

Contract will be interesting to see. Sounds like 3/45 or so. If I was a betting man, I'll say its heavily front loaded with a 2017 roster bonus and can be walked away from without much pain after year one. 3/42 with up to 6M in incentives and 18M guaranteed. I'll take that hypothetical deal over Hoyer at any cost FWIW.

[SpongeWorthy]

The likeliest outcome to me is Glennon is middling andwe have a young, drafted QB that gets some spot work next season. Then you're picking in the top half of the first round next year and aggressively in on Darnold, Rosen, Allen, and whoever emerges next season in college. Those guys will probably grade out higher than any QB in this draft.

[WrigleyField 22]

The thin tail positive outcome is Glennon becomes a guy you can build a contender around. Every other outcome dictates drafting a QB early this season and next. Look at Houston going after Romo despite that awful Osweiler deal. Glennon only blocks a young draft pick by being great.

There is no outcome on the bell curve where you can build around Glennon. Theres like 6 QBs in the game like that. The optimistic end is that he is a borderline top 1/3 QB, and can go far with him and a talented D and good supporting cast.... like a prime Flacco.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm still trying to figure out what all these letters and spaces mean. Did you come up with an alternate solution in here and I missed it?

 

Does he really need to? He's not the GM. He can dislike a move without having to come up with a better one himself.

Nah I'm just trying to figure out the part where my literacy wasn't good enough to find the non-Cutler option in that post.

You decided to add the word solution for no good reason.

 

I hate the idea of cutting Cutler and his currently team friendly contract that can be released at any moment only to turn around and give Glennon the same money and what is inevitably going to be some sort of guarantee.

 

Sign all the garbage QBs you want, just give them the tiny contracts they deserve and draft as many QBs as you want at the same time. Paying Glennon $15m to be the "made up term" is just paying him for the sake of paying him.

 

And it's an ass covering move since you pretty much sell to the public "it's okay if we lose with this $15m QB because we are supposed to lose with this $15m QB while we wait for the next guy."

[jersey cubs fan]

The thin tail positive outcome is Glennon becomes a guy you can build a contender around. Every other outcome dictates drafting a QB early this season and next. Look at Houston going after Romo despite that awful Osweiler deal. Glennon only blocks a young draft pick by being great.

There is no outcome on the bell curve where you can build around Glennon. Theres like 6 QBs in the game like that. The optimistic end is that he is a borderline top 1/3 QB, and can go far with him and a talented D and good supporting cast.... like a prime Flacco.

 

so he can or cannot be elite?