Cubs trading Soler to KC for Wade Davis

[sneakypower]

royals fans seem to hate the trade

can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, any good cook will tell you that

[Ding Dong Johnson]

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instagram ain't tweets son

 

force of habit. fixed it.

just paste the url and let Tim's elves do the rest

[David]

 

instagram ain't tweets son

 

force of habit. fixed it.

just paste the url and let Tim's elves do the rest

 

I used to do that with Tweets but people got all pissy so I stopped

[Ding Dong Johnson]

horsefeathers those people. do it for me!

[javy knows my name]

royals fans seem to hate the trade

can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs, any good cook will tell you that

 

BUT LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE COOK

[Bull]

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Davis, Rondon, Strop, Edwards, Grimm, Duensing, and 2nd LHP(Zastryzny/Montgomery) makes a full pen. Edwards and Zastryzny are the only optionable players. Have a hard time seeing too much sense in adding a significant bullpen piece unless it's really a SP in disguise, or they do something more decisive like trade Grimm or Rondon.

 

But Duensing is nothing to hang your hat on and that 2nd LHP is a big question. So I see 5 solid spots, three of them being injury concerns that may need the occasional preventive 10 day DL stint, plus these guys are not afraid of an 8 man pen.

 

I think you want to go into spring training with Edwards and Zastryzny slotted for Iowa, fully expecting one or both to be on the ML roster (25 or 26?) by April 1. Too much potential for injury there. I think adding either another starter or another lefty 'pen arm is a must.

[davell]

There are a bunch of solid bullpen arms left. My guess is we'll wind up with one of Blevins, Logan, or Wood. Probably Wood, because he'll come cheapest and because he's kind of considered a glue guy type, which we value, on some level.....

 

Current Pen Locks

 

Davis, Rondon, Strop, Edwards, Grimm

 

Fighting for spots

 

Duensing, Zastryzny, Pena, Leathersich, others not worth mentioning

 

So, if we DO sign a Ross or trade for a SP that definitely pushes Monty to the pen, it literally puts us down to one open spot, if we go with a 12 man rotation.

 

Which tells me we're looking at a 13 man staff for most of the year, especially with our positional player versatility. Only fight would be Seal Boy versus Szczur(who may still be dealt) for the 12th spot, if no injuries.....

 

It also kind of makes me think Rob Z is beginning the year in AAA as a starter, for depth. Along with whatever else we acquire for rotational depth.

 

There are a BUNCH of RHRP's still out there and musical chairs will leave more than a handful without jobs. I could see us getting a Matt Belisle type(just an example) as an NRI, that makes the team.

 

At any rate, our pen is in pretty damn good shape and another move or two is great.

 

The starter depth is the most interesting thing out there for us, as far as I'm concerned.....

[Cubswin11]

 

I think you want to go into spring training with Edwards and Zastryzny slotted for Iowa, fully expecting one or both to be on the ML roster (25 or 26?) by April 1. Too much potential for injury there. I think adding either another starter or another lefty 'pen arm is a must.

Edwards starting in AAA, What!?!?!!!! No. He was our second best relief pitcher for a good chunk of the year behind Chapman and they brought him in Game 7 of the WS to save it ahead of Rondon and Strop. Short of an injury he's gonna be in the major league pen all year. Zas I agree starts in AAA as SP depth/development

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think you want to go into spring training with Edwards and Zastryzny slotted for Iowa, fully expecting one or both to be on the ML roster (25 or 26?) by April 1. Too much potential for injury there. I think adding either another starter or another lefty 'pen arm is a must.

 

To be honest I'll be outright furious if a healthy Edwards misses the opening day roster.

[David]

Holy crap Edwards in Iowa?! What in the hell?

[Bull]

Read it again. I don't think there's any chance he is there by opening day, but with the injury history of this bullpen you have to have so many options that on paper you open spring training with Edwards off the 25 man.

 

To put it another way, I don't think theres any way that all four of Rondon, Strop, Davis and Duensing are on the opening day roster.

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[David]

Read it again. I don't think there's any chance he is there by opening day, but with the injury history of this bullpen you have so many options that on paper you open spring training with Edwards off the 25 man.

 

But, no, you don't because he's likely one of their best 2-3 relievers.

[Bull]

Read it again. I don't think there's any chance he is there by opening day, but with the injury history of this bullpen you have so many options that on paper you open spring training with Edwards off the 25 man.

 

But, no, you don't because he's likely one of their best 2-3 relievers.

 

I'm talking theory/roster juggling, not practice.

 

Of course, someone would be cut or develop a phantom injury, but I'm saying there is so much likelihood of there being a real injury you have to have more bullpen options than you can fit.

 

Take Edwards' name out of it if it makes you feel better.

 

Counting Edwards, you have to have one too many bullpen guys walking in. That's all I'm saying.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Bull

[Cubswin11]

Read it again. I don't think there's any chance he is there by opening day, but with the injury history of this bullpen you have so many options that on paper you open spring training with Edwards off the 25 man.

 

To put it another way, I don't think theres any way that all four of Rondon, Strop, Davis and Duensing are on the opening day roster.

What are you even saying then? So many options Edwards may be in Iowa for depth but then 1 of those 4 other guys also isn't on the OD roster?

[David]

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[Bull]

Read it again. I don't think there's any chance he is there by opening day, but with the injury history of this bullpen you have so many options that on paper you open spring training with Edwards off the 25 man.

 

To put it another way, I don't think theres any way that all four of Rondon, Strop, Davis and Duensing are on the opening day roster.

What are you even saying then? So many options Edwards may be in Iowa for depth but then 1 of those 4 other guys also isn't on the OD roster?

 

I'm saying add until there's one too many guys walking into spring training, so that OSTENSIBLY, Edwards, being the one with options, would APPEAR to be just off the depth chart.

 

And then somebody has a real tight forearm at the beginning of ST or a fake tight oblique at the end of it, and, voila, he's needed.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Bull

[weis21]

but presumably the cubs would want their best pitchers to be part of their mlb team unless they're hurt. you don't stash CEJ in AAA so that some other inferior pitcher has a spot on opening day.

[Bull]

but presumably the cubs would want their best pitchers to be part of their mlb team unless they're hurt. you don't stash CEJ in AAA so that some other inferior pitcher has a spot on opening day.

Again, he never actually goes to AAA. I'm just saying there is no such thing as too much bullpen depth, especially with the RECENT injury history of Davis, Rondon, Strop and Duensing.

Edited December 7, 2016 by Bull

[javy knows my name]

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omg I love him

[davell]

[Elrhino]

I'm still holding onto my "Pierce Johnson can be a valuable bullpen arm" dream. Too sentimental about Pierce Johnson Days following the minor league threads of yore.

[Bull]

I'm still holding onto my "Pierce Johnson can be a valuable bullpen arm" dream. Too sentimental about Pierce Johnson Days following the minor league threads of yore.

I was the same way with Andy Sisco. Sisco is everything that is wrong with the rule 5 draft. He's now playing in China.

[Tracer Bullet]

we are the whitest team in baseball (probably not true)

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really not thrilled adding a guy with his injury history for 1 season. But whatever.