2017 Draft Thread

[Regular Show]

10 years from now when somebody writes an article about Albert Almora playing in Schaumberg I can't imagine Theo will be quoted talking about how it was McCleod's pick.

 

 

 

 

I get what you're saying and getting at -- accountability. J. Hendry isn't great at admitting mistakes and being accountable, like GarPax with the current Bulls organization.

 

I'm not a Hendry supporter. He was a pretty bad GM, in retrospect. That said I took that quote as meaning he wasn't that active in the draft process and doing research and really investing time and energy into making sure you make the right selection, like Jed and Theo. I think Hendry honestly just let his scouting director do all the work and gave him autonomy to select whoever he wants. I mean that's how we got the H. Simpson debacle in 2010.

[davell]

So, with the talk of us trying to grab a top 15 talent.....I've convinced myself we're taking Schmidt. He was a top 15 guy and we won't even have to over slot him.

 

We don't let our drafted pitching do much after they sign anyway. He had the injury in April. I'm guessing he had surgery in May. There's a pretty decent chance he could be game ready by May of next year. That's not much missed time. I get that its not 100% and all that. But, the upside outweighs the downside for me.

 

Pair him with a position player or with another college pitcher. I'd be pretty damn happy.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So, with the talk of us trying to grab a top 15 talent.....I've convinced myself we're taking Schmidt. He was a top 15 guy and we won't even have to over slot him.

 

We don't let our drafted pitching do much after they sign anyway. He had the injury in April. I'm guessing he had surgery in May. There's a pretty decent chance he could be game ready by May of next year. That's not much missed time. I get that its not 100% and all that. But, the upside outweighs the downside for me.

 

Pair him with a position player or with another college pitcher. I'd be pretty damn happy.

 

He had sugery on May 3rd.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Probably time to take another college lefty mocked around the Cubs' top two picks off the draft board: Luke Heimlich sex crime surfaces as Oregon State baseball nears College World Series

 

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[CaliforniaRaisin]

I bet Minnesota/Cincinnati/San Diego/Tampa is digging Kyle Wright throwing over 120 stressful pitches in the rain against the best college baseball team in possibly decades.

[Tedward]

Probably time to take another college lefty mocked around the Cubs' top two picks off the draft board: Luke Heimlich sex crime surfaces as Oregon State baseball nears College World Series

 

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Raisin,

 

How about another Oregon State SP? Law in his final mock now has on Drew Rasmussen.

[jersey cubs fan]

So, with the talk of us trying to grab a top 15 talent.....I've convinced myself we're taking Schmidt. He was a top 15 guy and we won't even have to over slot him.

 

We don't let our drafted pitching do much after they sign anyway. He had the injury in April. I'm guessing he had surgery in May. There's a pretty decent chance he could be game ready by May of next year. That's not much missed time. I get that its not 100% and all that. But, the upside outweighs the downside for me.

 

Pair him with a position player or with another college pitcher. I'd be pretty damn happy.

 

He had sugery on May 3rd.

sweet

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Probably time to take another college lefty mocked around the Cubs' top two picks off the draft board: Luke Heimlich sex crime surfaces as Oregon State baseball nears College World Series

 

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Raisin,

 

How about another Oregon State SP? Law in his final mock now has on Drew Rasmussen.

 

I liked him a lot before he had TJS his sophomore year. He came back at the end of this year out of OSU's bullpen and was up to 98. It boils down to how confident you are with his health and recovery but I'd rather not take him in the first, though.

 

I also like Jake Thompson out of OSU as a third rounder. The Cubs drafted him out of HS.

[davell]

Law seems convinced we're under slotting the hell out of our first pick.

[Tryptamine]

Other than last year, this may be the first draft where I've gone into not having any kind of solid clue who it might be. At this point we're suspecting an underslot with the number of names mentioned both as the underslot and the overslot it should make tomorrow really exciting. I'd be extremely intrigued by Rooker and Romero picks at 27/30. You could probably save money on both deals while not sacrificing on talent.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Other than last year, this may be the first draft where I've gone into not having any kind of solid clue who it might be. At this point we're suspecting an underslot with the number of names mentioned both as the underslot and the overslot it should make tomorrow really exciting. I'd be extremely intrigued by Rooker and Romero picks at 27/30. You could probably save money on both deals while not sacrificing on talent.

 

Rooker seems to be widely considered a second round talent so it does seem like they're sacrificing some talent picking him at 27/30.

[davell]

I doubt you're getting Romero at a savings. I'm sure there's teams that are going to be saving money in the 1st, that are drafting higher than us, that'll have extra money to throw at him with their second pick. Plus, I think he's a Boras guy. You're getting a top 15 talent to begin with. Even with his issues, he's already cost himself 1.2 mill from being drafted at 15, if he takes slot at 27. With the lack of talent in this draft, I really don't think he's got to take a sub slot deal at 27 or 30. Someone will ante up and give him 2 mill, at least, is my honest guess.

[davell]

I'm still in favor of finding an under slot guy at 27, if you're confident at what you're going to have available at 30, or later on. Seeing Rasmussen from Law is intriguing. Not because of the pitcher himself(who is fine) but because of what taking him at 27 means.

 

Surely, you'd get him for 1.5 or maybe even less. I'd prefer Jake Thompson or Morgan Cooper, if we do that myself. But, it maybe allows us to spend pretty big on Carlson, Rogers, or maybe take a few high upside HS kids in 2-4.....

 

No idea what they've got planned, but its great to see tons of different scenarios for the way they spend the entire budget.

[Regular Show]

I think we're definitely interested in HS SS N. Allen, but I don't think he'll get to our pick now.

 

On the pitching side I'd say college pitchers we're interested in: T. Houck, G. Canning, C. Schmidt and D. Peterson. HS pitchers: S. Carlson, T. Rogers, B. Enlow and maybe H. Danner.

 

I don't know how much interest the Cubs have in JC pitchers N. Pearson and B. Little. I like both of them a lot, but I haven't heard any rumors of them showing interest. Might be too unrefined for their taste.

 

I really wonder what the new metrics or characteristics they're looking for in pitching prospects. IS it a combination of these things: Spin rate, perceived velocity/good extension for the pitcher, arm angle and release point, crossfire vs. online w/ plate, etc.?

 

I have no clue :dontknow: ...

[davell]

I think we're definitely interested in HS SS N. Allen, but I don't think he'll get to our pick now.

 

On the pitching side I'd say college pitchers we're interested in: T. Houck, G. Canning, C. Schmidt and D. Peterson. HS pitchers: S. Carlson, T. Rogers, B. Enlow and maybe H. Danner.

 

I don't know how much interest the Cubs have in JC pitchers N. Pearson and B. Little. I like both of them a lot, but I haven't heard any rumors of them showing interest. Might be too unrefined for their taste.

 

I really wonder what the new metrics or characteristics they're looking for in pitching prospects. IS it a combination of these things: Spin rate, perceived velocity/good extension for the pitcher, arm angle and release point, crossfire vs. online w/ plate, etc.?

 

I have no clue :dontknow: ...

 

No idea. But, I saw a quote somewhere from McLeod that made me think we were going to take a chance on college closers and turn them into starters. Its probably a throwaway line that I read into too much, but its in the back of my mind, especially on Day 2.

[cubfro]

I'm sure with our draft position McLeod and the guys have multiple plans for our picks. I think plan A is to take Allen at slot at 27 and another player that will take slot at 30 maybe a college pitcher like Houck or Lange or another high school bat like Romero. I think plan B is to take someone like Varsho or Gonzalez for a huge discount at 27 and pay up for a high school pitcher like Carlson or that guy committed to Stanford at 30.

 

I'm a little worried the plan A is to take a varsho or Gonzales type at a discount and the spend the extra on Allen(who I like at slot for 27 but not more than that).

[Tryptamine]

Other than last year, this may be the first draft where I've gone into not having any kind of solid clue who it might be. At this point we're suspecting an underslot with the number of names mentioned both as the underslot and the overslot it should make tomorrow really exciting. I'd be extremely intrigued by Rooker and Romero picks at 27/30. You could probably save money on both deals while not sacrificing on talent.

 

Rooker seems to be widely considered a second round talent so it does seem like they're sacrificing some talent picking him at 27/30.

 

Isn't Rooker only a 2nd round talent based on age though? It's not a limitation of any of his tools or production. I'm willing to gamble on that.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Other than last year, this may be the first draft where I've gone into not having any kind of solid clue who it might be. At this point we're suspecting an underslot with the number of names mentioned both as the underslot and the overslot it should make tomorrow really exciting. I'd be extremely intrigued by Rooker and Romero picks at 27/30. You could probably save money on both deals while not sacrificing on talent.

 

Rooker seems to be widely considered a second round talent so it does seem like they're sacrificing some talent picking him at 27/30.

 

Isn't Rooker only a 2nd round talent based on age though? It's not a limitation of any of his tools or production. I'm willing to gamble on that.

 

He's also a 1B/LF who likely doesn't have the normal power for those positions.

[Regular Show]

 

Rooker seems to be widely considered a second round talent so it does seem like they're sacrificing some talent picking him at 27/30.

 

Isn't Rooker only a 2nd round talent based on age though? It's not a limitation of any of his tools or production. I'm willing to gamble on that.

 

He's also a 1B/LF who likely doesn't have the normal power for those positions.

 

Yeah he's also kinda old. He mashed no doubt, but there are questions about his bat and where he can play. If he's only capable of playing 1B then he's got to hit and hit for some power. I'm not sure if Rooker can play RF/LF. Plus he bats righthanded, which teams and scouts hate if you're only capable of playing 1B. Most teams want a LHH at 1B.

 

I like Rooker, but as a target for the 2nd round. I'd rather gamble on L. Gonzalez or someone else if we really want to sign someone to an underslot deal.

[davell]

I'm sure with our draft position McLeod and the guys have multiple plans for our picks. I think plan A is to take Allen at slot at 27 and another player that will take slot at 30 maybe a college pitcher like Houck or Lange or another high school bat like Romero. I think plan B is to take someone like Varsho or Gonzalez for a huge discount at 27 and pay up for a high school pitcher like Carlson or that guy committed to Stanford at 30.

 

I'm a little worried the plan A is to take a varsho or Gonzales type at a discount and the spend the extra on Allen(who I like at slot for 27 but not more than that).

 

 

Yeah, that's crossed my mind too. It'd be a letdown(maybe unfairly), if Allen WAS the guy we over slotted.

[davell]

 

Both mocks have some odd things going on, which is actually more apt to happen, than the typical chalk mocks we've seen mostly....

 

Mayo has us with Allen/Carlson, Callis has us with Houck/Rasmussen.

[Regular Show]

Not sure if someone posted this article from Baseball America. Good stuff. Wish there was more info...

 

http://www.baseballamerica.com/draft/draft-notebook-prep-outfielders-rising/#tUib0SwLhybwRgky.97

[davell]

 

BA's Monday morning mock. And WOW, at how many teams are cutting deals. Has us with Schmidt at 27 and Allen at 30. Implying a slight discount on Schmidt and over slotting Allen a bit.

 

I'd take Schmidt and Allen and be ecstatic.

[Tim]

Yes, please.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

 

BA's Monday morning mock. And WOW, at how many teams are cutting deals. Has us with Schmidt at 27 and Allen at 30. Implying a slight discount on Schmidt and over slotting Allen a bit.

 

I'd take Schmidt and Allen and be ecstatic.

 

I like that and I like the idea of getting Schmidt at a slight discount when you think he's a likely top 15 pick.