Jorge Soler's Humongous Dongs

[Sammy Sofa]

#keepthemall

 

TOO LATE.

 

[David]

#keepthemall

 

Malls are at least temporarily outdated, no?

 

You guys sure are pointing out a lot of flaws for an asset you want to bring something of value of back with. The answer is keep them all, spend money and prospects on acquiring pitching.

 

Look at the non-established guys as prospects who just happen to be past rookie eligibility. The goal isn't just to graduate, but to help the Cubs dominate.

 

Seems like playing the matchups like Joe has they have helped the Cubs dominate quite a bit.

 

I don't see why there's any urgency to move away from the way the positions have been handled this year.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

 

Personally, I think his key flaws are mitigated significantly if he can be a DH, hence him ideally having decent value despite those flaws after finally a sustained stretch of hitting.

What kind of value are you getting for a DH only? Seriously asking, seems like you'd be lucky to get an Odorizzi level talent or else would have to take a gamble on a injured guy coming back with upside like Garrett Richards

 

I'm not expecting them to trade Soler straight up for another pitcher. I'd think they'd use him as a key piece in a trade.

 

Also, it's not like teams would ONLY be looking for him as a DH; I'm sure plenty of teams would assume or hope they could get him to perform tolerably in LF or at 1B.

 

Yeah, the A's traded for, and play at times in the outfield, Khris Davis.

 

I don't care if the metrics would state otherwise (too lazy to look), but Soler is not worse than Davis in the OF.

[Cubswin11]

Assuming Fowler isn't brought back, which I think is more likely than not barring another offseason nobody pays him, I don't think it will be hard to get Soler, Schwarbwr, Contreras, Baez, and Heyward all 400-500 abs next year and then Almora/backup OF/CF 200-300 given the versatility of them and lineup flexibility Joe shows to employ. And it's not like some of those guys shouldn't be shielded anyways Baez vs RHP, Schwarber/Heyward vs LHP and defense for Schwarbs, and maybe some RHP and defense for Soler and Contreras so it's likely u don't even want some of them reaching 500 or more PAs anyways.

[squally1313]

Assuming Fowler isn't brought back, which I think is more likely than not barring another offseason nobody pays him, I don't think it will be hard to get Soler, Schwarbwr, Contreras, Baez, and Heyward all 400-500 abs next year and then Almora/backup OF/CF 200-300 given the versatility of them and lineup flexibility Joe shows to employ. And it's not like some of those guys shouldn't be shielded anyways Baez vs RHP, Schwarber/Heyward vs LHP and defense for Schwarbs, and maybe some RHP and defense for Soler and Contreras so it's likely u don't even want some of them reaching 500 or more PAs anyways.

 

Super rough/simplistic, but I'm bored at work. A lot of this becomes difficult to put into practice if they don't want to trot out an outfielder with Schwarber and Soler in the corners at the same time, but here we go...(I'm only doing 600 PAs for each position to not factor in scrub time/injuries/etc, as I'm only listing like 10 guys)

 

C: Contreras 450, Montero 150

1B: Rizzo 600

2B: Zobrist 450, Baez 150

3B: Bryant 400, Baez 200

SS: Russell 550, Baez 50

LF: Schwarber 450, Bryant 50, Soler 100

CF: Heyward 350, Almora 250

RF: Heyward 200, Bryant 150, Soler 250

 

Zobrist: 450

Baez: 400

Bryant: 600

Russell: 550

Schwarber: 450

Soler: 350

Heyward: 550

Almora: 250

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't think anyone is saying they can't fit all of these guys in; some of us would just prefer to see them use some of their assets from a part of the team where they have an embarrassment of riches to improve an area of the team that has basically no depth, is pretty damn old and has been cruising pretty luckily sans any major injuries for a while. If the starting pitching FA market didn't look so barren for the foreseeable future, great, don't even think about trading anyone, but if 1-2 of these guys can be moved in a way that allows them to still have a dominant offense and really bolsters the starting pitching, hey, great.

[Tim]

I don't think anyone is saying they can't fit all of these guys in; some of us would just prefer to see them use some of their assets from a part of the team where they have an embarrassment of riches to improve an area of the team that has basically no depth, is pretty damn old and has been cruising pretty luckily sans any major injuries for a while. If the starting pitching FA market didn't look so barren for the foreseeable future, great, don't even think about trading anyone, but if 1-2 of these guys can be moved in a way that allows them to still have a dominant offense and really bolsters the starting pitching, hey, great.

So would you plan to go with a six man rotation all year? If not, who would you kick out for next season?

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't think anyone is saying they can't fit all of these guys in; some of us would just prefer to see them use some of their assets from a part of the team where they have an embarrassment of riches to improve an area of the team that has basically no depth, is pretty damn old and has been cruising pretty luckily sans any major injuries for a while. If the starting pitching FA market didn't look so barren for the foreseeable future, great, don't even think about trading anyone, but if 1-2 of these guys can be moved in a way that allows them to still have a dominant offense and really bolsters the starting pitching, hey, great.

So would you plan to go with a six man rotation all year? If not, who would you kick out for next season?

 

Maybe nobody. Pitching depth is a thing, plus 3/5th's of the rotation are likely gone after next season. What, is it crazy to suggest they trade for a pitcher who *GASP* maybe doesn't start the 2017 season in the starting rotation?

[Aaron_Kennelly]

#keepthemall

 

I don't understand this need to trade away our good young players. SIgn FA starting pitching. Trade guys in the minors. Don't trade our big league guys.

 

http://i.imgur.com/ThQ0nxT.gif

 

Seriously, don't trade away any of my babies. Roll with these starters we have now until they are broke. And then buy some more. Augment our future rotation options with trades. We don't need any of our minor league position players. (I'd like to keep Eloy, since I love him.) But, you can trade all those scrubs away. You can get something. I don't care much what it is. But, don't trade my babies.

[Tim]

I don't think anyone is saying they can't fit all of these guys in; some of us would just prefer to see them use some of their assets from a part of the team where they have an embarrassment of riches to improve an area of the team that has basically no depth, is pretty damn old and has been cruising pretty luckily sans any major injuries for a while. If the starting pitching FA market didn't look so barren for the foreseeable future, great, don't even think about trading anyone, but if 1-2 of these guys can be moved in a way that allows them to still have a dominant offense and really bolsters the starting pitching, hey, great.

So would you plan to go with a six man rotation all year? If not, who would you kick out for next season?

 

Maybe nobody. Pitching depth is a thing, plus 3/5th's of the rotation are likely gone after next season. What, is it crazy to suggest they trade for a pitcher who *GASP* maybe doesn't start the 2017 season in the starting rotation?

So you're going to trade Soler for a minor leaguer? Better be a damn good one. Or two.

[Sammy Sofa]

So would you plan to go with a six man rotation all year? If not, who would you kick out for next season?

 

Maybe nobody. Pitching depth is a thing, plus 3/5th's of the rotation are likely gone after next season. What, is it crazy to suggest they trade for a pitcher who *GASP* maybe doesn't start the 2017 season in the starting rotation?

So you're going to trade Soler for a minor leaguer? Better be a damn good one. Or two.

 

Or it's someone they trade for and send to the minors until someone gets hurt or pitches terribly for a while or until their contracts are up after 2016. It's not a terrible idea to want to see the Cubs look to keep the starting pitching awesomeness going down the line when their internal options and the FA options to do so are so scant, and when what they have right now is so old and basically has no real sustained backup of any kind.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The FA options for SP this offseason *at the top of the market* are guys like Cashner, Hellickson, and Brett Anderson's arm fragments. Also there may not be a ton of cash to float around, Lester/Heyward style.

 

That said, I bet you could get some teams pretty interested in trading a good SP, with something like Soler/Baez, Lackey/Hammel to backfill their rotation(if a contender), a prospect like Candelario, etc.

[Tim]

I'd be all for trading Candelario, Almora, Happ, etc (not Eloy) for some pitching. But given the attrition rate of SP, I do not at all like the idea of trading a potentially very good major league hitter for a "just in case" pitcher or someone we hope stays healthy and effective for 2018.

[Sammy Sofa]

I'd be all for trading Candelario, Almora, Happ, etc (not Eloy) for some pitching. But given the attrition rate of SP, I do not at all like the idea of trading a potentially very good major league hitter for a "just in case" pitcher or someone we hope stays healthy and effective for 2018.

 

And I'm not saying that the only reason to trade Soler (or, say, Baez) is for a pitcher; it's just A option, and it's not a bad one despite you all but insisting that the Cubs only trade players like that for someone they can immediately slide into action on the big league team.

 

The whole "horsefeathers pitchers/keep everyone" thing is cute, but it's not always going to be realistic, and it's not bonkers think the Cubs are maybe going to have to address their starting rotation sooner rather than later.

[imb]

Since being called up Aug. 5

 

.298/.349.614/.963

[Sammy Sofa]

He is also still the most handsome person in the organization besides Clark.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

He is also still the most handsome person in the organization besides Clark.

you mean in the world duh

[Sammy Sofa]

He is also still the most handsome person in the organization besides Clark.

you mean in the world duh

 

Uh, have you SEEN Derwood's sig?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

no, what's a sig?

[Sammy Sofa]

Jesus, upgrade your Wang already.

[Omar]

He is also still the most handsome person in the organization besides Clark.

you mean in the world duh

 

Uh, have you SEEN Derwood's sig?

 

only when im on my iPad and not logged in

 

greatest sig on this site.

[Banedon]

He is also still the most handsome person in the organization besides Clark.

you mean in the world duh

 

Uh, have you SEEN Derwood's sig?

 

I have sigs turned off....I'm afraid to look.

 

EDIT: That went downhill fast.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wouldn't even know how to go about finding a Derwood post so I can look for myself

[Tracer Bullet]

you mean in the world duh

 

Uh, have you SEEN Derwood's sig?

 

I have sigs turned off....I'm afraid to look.

 

EDIT: That went downhill fast.

 

that's like lou pearlman's personal hell

[Sammy Sofa]

 

Uh, have you SEEN Derwood's sig?

 

I have sigs turned off....I'm afraid to look.

 

EDIT: That went downhill fast.

 

that's like lou pearlman's personal hell

 

Oh, this is good.