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[Cubbie Swagger]

If alcohol is alcohol, then what is the point of aging whiskey? Is a $200 bottle the same as Jack Daniels?

Because it changes the non-alcohol components of the whiskey. What a moronic question

I suppose it was a bit of silly question, since you were specifically talking about alcohol as a chemical.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I am definitely much more hungover and have far worse headaches if I drink too much crappy beer then if I drink too much craft beer, but I always attributed that to the additives and preservatives in the crappy beer. Not the "quality of the alcohol" or whatever you are trying to say. And drunk is drunk. This isn't beer vs crack

 

I get a worse hangover on crafts.

 

I don't have a chamber maid to cleanup after me 1%

[minnesotacubsfan]

the beer before liquor axiom is definitely an issue for me. But that's usually because it means I drink 8-15 beers in some sort of pregame scenario, some whiskey, then wine at dinner and some jackass forces shots on me later.

 

Ohhh so your defenses are down and they hit you with the Cuervo. Jackasses!

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't know about you, but my body totally processes a flank steak and a ribeye COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY.

[Cubbie Swagger]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

[jersey cubs fan]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

some of it tastes better

 

 

 

but vodka is horsefeathering vodka

[Thusly Boned]

But, you can't sit here and tell me that you feel exactly the same if you drink Grey Goose or if you drink an $8 bottle.

 

Can too.

 

Yeah, it depends on the $8 bottle. Some vodka is better than others, but there is almost zero correlation with cost.

 

Sometimes the quality is commensurate with the cost, but just as often it isn't at all. All of this is just to say that going into a store and choosing a bottle of booze under the assumption that "the more it costs the better it will be" is a very poor methodology. Unless you are choosing a specific brand based on rating, you might as well grab a bottle at random. Selecting top shelf because it's top shelf might make one feel like a refined fancy pants, but that's about it.

[Cubbie Swagger]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

some of it tastes better

 

 

 

but vodka is [expletive] vodka

You could put me in a double-blind test with top shelf vodka and Skol, and I would be able to tell them apart 100% of the time. I will bet you ANY amount of money.

[Cubbie Swagger]

But, you can't sit here and tell me that you feel exactly the same if you drink Grey Goose or if you drink an $8 bottle.

 

Can too.

 

Yeah, it depends on the $8 bottle. Some vodka is better than others, but there is almost zero correlation with cost.

 

Sometimes the quality is commensurate with the cost, but just as often it isn't at all. All of this is just to say that going into a store and choosing a bottle of booze under the assumption that "the more it costs the better it will be" is a very poor methodology. Unless you are choosing a specific brand based on rating, you might as well grab a bottle at random. Selecting top shelf because it's top shelf might make one feel like a refined fancy pants, but that's about it.

I never said that I choose my alcohol based on price. I'm merely saying that there is a spectrum of quality when it comes to booze.

[jersey cubs fan]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

some of it tastes better

 

 

 

but vodka is [expletive] vodka

You could put me in a double-blind test with top shelf vodka and Skol, and I would be able to tell them apart 100% of the time. I will bet you ANY amount of money.

I'm not saying you can't tell the difference, I'm saying it's horsefeathering vodka.

 

 

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[Cubbie Swagger]

some of it tastes better

 

 

 

but vodka is [expletive] vodka

You could put me in a double-blind test with top shelf vodka and Skol, and I would be able to tell them apart 100% of the time. I will bet you ANY amount of money.

I'm not saying you can't tell the difference, I'm saying it's [expletive] vodka.

 

 

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Lmao. I got you. It all tastes like nail polish remover, no matter how good it is.

[George Hayduke]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

some of it tastes better

 

 

 

but vodka is [expletive] vodka

You could put me in a double-blind test with top shelf vodka and Skol, and I would be able to tell them apart 100% of the time. I will bet you ANY amount of money.

They have literally done this exact double blind test many times and shown that for the majority of people, this simply isn't true. And for the ones who can tell a slight difference, it is only on the first drink, if taken neat, when their taste buds are sharpest, and if they're comparing a top shelf to the absolute lowest of the low quality. After one vodka, or if the vodka is mixed with anything at all, or if it's served cold, or if you're comparing to more middling brands...the results are the same as it would be with random guessing. I've drunk about 9 million gallons of vodka in my life, and I would absolutely agree. Get yourself a $15 bottle of vodka. It's just as good and you'll save a lot of money.

[RammyFanny]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

I don't really drink too much hard stuff so I can't comment, but I'm with you on the beer. Definitely different types of buzzes for different beers, and I'd like to think it's more than just the ABV. For me, Hopslam would give me the most different buzz from anything I've tried (compared to like, an imperial stout with the same ABV). And although it's not my cup of tea, hard cider gives a different winey type of buzz as well.

 

I mean, enough of anything will get you drunk though. But I notice difference between mellow buzzes and energetic buzzes.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Did any of you ever see the episode of Penn & Teller "[expletive]!" where they were serving water to people at a restaurant? They brought out all these fancy bottles and claimed that these different waters were from France or Switzerland or wherever. Then, at the end, they reveal that all of the bottles of water were filled with water from the hose in the alley behind the restaurant.

[Sammy Sofa]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

I don't really drink too much hard stuff so I can't comment, but I'm with you on the beer. Definitely different types of buzzes for different beers, and I'd like to think it's more than just the ABV. For me, Hopslam would give me the most different buzz from anything I've tried (compared to like, an imperial stout with the same ABV). And although it's not my cup of tea, hard cider gives a different winey type of buzz as well.

 

I mean, enough of anything will get you drunk though. But I notice difference between mellow buzzes and energetic buzzes.

 

That has everything to do with the other ingredients, or what else you're eating and drinking then or throughout the day. The only variation in the alcohol itself is in how much is in the respective beers.

[Cubbie Swagger]

some of it tastes better

 

 

 

but vodka is [expletive] vodka

You could put me in a double-blind test with top shelf vodka and Skol, and I would be able to tell them apart 100% of the time. I will bet you ANY amount of money.

They have literally done this exact double blind test many times and shown that for the majority of people, this simply isn't true. And for the ones who can tell a slight difference, it is only on the first drink, if taken neat, when their taste buds are sharpest, and if they're comparing a top shelf to the absolute lowest of the low quality. After one vodka, or if the vodka is mixed with anything at all, or if it's served cold, or if you're comparing to more middling brands...the results are the same as it would be with random guessing. I've drunk about 9 million gallons of vodka in my life, and I would absolutely agree. Get yourself a $15 bottle of vodka. It's just as good and you'll save a lot of money.

I'm telling you with certainty that I could I could tell the difference on my 1st, 3rd, or 18th drink. While I'm eating an italian beef.

 

I will admit that I could only do this when comparing top shelf to bottom shelf, though. I'm not going to claim that I can tell the difference between Belvidere and Grey Goose with 100% accuracy.

Edited April 7, 2016 by Cubbie Swagger

[Cubbie Swagger]

I mean, enough of anything will get you drunk though. But I notice difference between mellow buzzes and energetic buzzes.

In general, clear liquor gives you a more energetic buzz, whereas dark liquor gives you a more mellow buzz. Not sure why.

[mul21]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

I don't really drink too much hard stuff so I can't comment, but I'm with you on the beer. Definitely different types of buzzes for different beers, and I'd like to think it's more than just the ABV. For me, Hopslam would give me the most different buzz from anything I've tried (compared to like, an imperial stout with the same ABV). And although it's not my cup of tea, hard cider gives a different winey type of buzz as well.

 

I mean, enough of anything will get you drunk though. But I notice difference between mellow buzzes and energetic buzzes.

 

Again, and I hate to agree with Careless, all completely due to the adjuncts in each type of booze and not the actual alcohol.

[George Hayduke]

You could put me in a double-blind test with top shelf vodka and Skol, and I would be able to tell them apart 100% of the time. I will bet you ANY amount of money.

They have literally done this exact double blind test many times and shown that for the majority of people, this simply isn't true. And for the ones who can tell a slight difference, it is only on the first drink, if taken neat, when their taste buds are sharpest, and if they're comparing a top shelf to the absolute lowest of the low quality. After one vodka, or if the vodka is mixed with anything at all, or if it's served cold, or if you're comparing to more middling brands...the results are the same as it would be with random guessing. I've drunk about 9 million gallons of vodka in my life, and I would absolutely agree. Get yourself a $15 bottle of vodka. It's just as good and you'll save a lot of money.

I'm telling you with certainty that I could I could tell the difference on my 1st, 3rd, or 18th drink. While I'm eating an italian beef.

Then you have the sharpest, most well-refined palate on earth. And that may be so, I don't know you at all. I'm just saying, if we were making an actual bet and all I had to go on were your claims vs. the pile of scientific evidence to the contrary, I think the smart money would be on you not being able to tell them apart.

[Splendid Splinter]

So... I learned a couple new things today.

 

Alcohol is somehow not alcohol. You can get a different kind of buzz/drunk with certain alcohol.

 

 

While we're on this subject, cheap gin is the worst.

[Cubbie Swagger]

Then you have the sharpest, most well-refined palate on earth. And that may be so, I don't know you at all. I'm just saying, if we were making an actual bet and all I had to go on were your claims vs. the pile of scientific evidence to the contrary, I think the smart money would be on you not being able to tell them apart.

I am known for having extremely sharp senses. I've actually wondered if I might be a "supertaster" or whatever. If you think I'm snobby when it comes to booze, don't even get me started on food.

[Thusly Boned]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

I don't really drink too much hard stuff so I can't comment, but I'm with you on the beer. Definitely different types of buzzes for different beers, and I'd like to think it's more than just the ABV. For me, Hopslam would give me the most different buzz from anything I've tried (compared to like, an imperial stout with the same ABV). And although it's not my cup of tea, hard cider gives a different winey type of buzz as well.

 

I mean, enough of anything will get you drunk though. But I notice difference between mellow buzzes and energetic buzzes.

 

Again, and I hate to agree with Careless, all completely due to the adjuncts in each type of booze and not the actual alcohol.

 

There's no evidence that it's even that. Adjuncts, impurities and byproducts may influence hangover type effects, but there's no evidence that they impact your "buzz" at all. What research has been done on the subject strongly indicates that psychological factors are the overriding factor in the quality of your drunken state.

[RammyFanny]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

I don't really drink too much hard stuff so I can't comment, but I'm with you on the beer. Definitely different types of buzzes for different beers, and I'd like to think it's more than just the ABV. For me, Hopslam would give me the most different buzz from anything I've tried (compared to like, an imperial stout with the same ABV). And although it's not my cup of tea, hard cider gives a different winey type of buzz as well.

 

I mean, enough of anything will get you drunk though. But I notice difference between mellow buzzes and energetic buzzes.

 

Again, and I hate to agree with Careless, all completely due to the adjuncts in each type of booze and not the actual alcohol.

Yeah, I just kind of jumped in here. I already assumed it was the adjuncts. Since I mostly drink unfiltered, I always assumed the type of yeast plays a role since some beers wreck my stomach and others are fine.

[BigbadB]

So... I learned a couple new things today.

 

Alcohol is somehow not alcohol. You can get a different kind of buzz/drunk with certain alcohol.

 

 

While we're on this subject, cheap gin is the worst.

 

Cheap gin is good for one thing. It cleans glass amazingly.

[David]

So are you folks at least in agreement with me that top shelf tastes better and gives you less severe hangovers? Seems like the "quality of the buzz" issue is the only thing we are hung up on.

 

This is how I tend to see it, though it's possible I'm completely operating on bias as far as the severity of hangover stuff.

 

Usually if I hydrate well, I avoid bad hangovers. If I don't, I get bad hangovers. How much of a role the quality of it plays I can't really say much on beyond my anecdotal belief that it might be better with good liquor.