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I SAID DEUCE UPSIDE YA HEAD

 

More than a little Iniesta in Pulisic.

 

Duece can play till he's 40 right? Pulisic is the motm so far.

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Wonder how many cards Espinoza will have deserved by the end of this one. I count about 2 so far.

[wolf stansson]

So if Dortmund wanted to sell Pulisic, how much could they get?

40? 50? Tough to tell because the potential revenue generation for the first American megastar is still the great, soccer marketing unknown.

 

What I do know is this goal features the best parts of Clint and Pulisic's games. Vision and skill in the pass, balls and instinct on the finish. My favorite soccer thing since the Jermaine Jones goal in the world cup. Well, other than Jurgen getting axed.

 

 

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Wow

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I love soccer again, you guys. So much.

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unbelievable

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I am legit emotional right now. Clint and Pulisic's peaking together 16 years apart. Bless them boys.

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*cackling intensifies*

[wolf stansson]

this is a god dream

 

 

 

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[soccer10k]

Well that was a fun game to be at.

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2-0 vs Panama was a blast for me. Can't even imagine what last night was like considering the circumstances as well.

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It's hard to overstate how good Pulisic, Dempsey and Altidore were last night. Honduras played most of the night with 5 defenders and 3 defensive mids and the 3 of them just carved them up whenever they tried to press high.

 

Villafana-Nagbe on the left side was also really solid.

 

Honduras attacked the right side all night and got probably more good chances than they should have, but losing Lletget early plus a less than 100% Cameron was a factor there. Gonzalez was fine, some terrible passing decisions though.

 

Bradley sat back mostly after the first half. Some passing issues in the first half, he was better in the second, but there wasn't much good possession in the midfield (though being 6-0, playing keepaway in the back isn't really a bad play).

 

Howard was solid for the 1-2 tough saves he had to make, and Brooks was great until he had to go off for what is hopefully just some dehydration.

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Apparently Brooks' dehydration/sinus infection is enough to keep him out, he was sent home along with Lletget, Morris, and Orozco. Arriola the only new addition brought in. I guess they'll go Zusi-Cameron-Gonzalez-Villafana across the back?

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Every Pulisic touch in the game Friday:

 

[wolf stansson]

In which the 86 year old dean of American soccer writing, Paul Gardner, takes a flamethrower to the [expletive] king, Jurgen Klinsmann (and briefly touches on the manager worship that makes the premier league so very, very stupid these days).

 

https://www.socceramerica.com/article/72798/the-triumphant-return-of-bruce-arena.html

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So if Dortmund wanted to sell Pulisic, how much could they get?

40? 50? Tough to tell because the potential revenue generation for the first American megastar is still the great, soccer marketing unknown.

 

 

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I think Liverpool would make a run at him. But they paid around that for Sadio Mane. Hard for me to believe that pulisic could command a similar fee as mane.

 

I hope he does go to the EPL so we can see him play more often and in that context.

[wolf stansson]

I think Liverpool would make a run at him. But they paid around that for Sadio Mane. Hard for me to believe that pulisic could command a similar fee as mane.

 

I hope he does go to the EPL so we can see him play more often and in that context.

He's 5 years younger than Mane. Mane couldn't get a game at Metz when he was Pulisic's age. CP is playing at a club on par with Liverpool. Mane doesn't move the needle in American merch sales. Pulisic is so valuable from a marketing perspective that I think there's only a handful of clubs in the world that he could realistically leave Dortmund for.

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I think Liverpool would make a run at him. But they paid around that for Sadio Mane. Hard for me to believe that pulisic could command a similar fee as mane.

 

I hope he does go to the EPL so we can see him play more often and in that context.

He's 5 years younger than Mane. Mane couldn't get a game at Metz when he was Pulisic's age. CP is playing at a club on par with Liverpool. Mane doesn't move the needle in American merch sales. Pulisic is so valuable from a marketing perspective that I think there's only a handful of clubs in the world that he could realistically leave Dortmund for.

 

Not sure how revenue from merchandise is handled in the EPL. But assuming the club owns that, what kind of bump does Pulisic give an English club here in the states?

 

you can look at all the transfer fees and anybody in the 40-50mil range is generally an enourmous star talent. Pulisic is in this conversation only because he happens to be American. There are lots of other really young talented players (Dortmund has a few) that don't command huge transfer fees.

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Not sure how revenue from merchandise is handled in the EPL. But assuming the club owns that, what kind of bump does Pulisic give an English club here in the states?

 

You may find this an interesting read: Analyzing the importance of shirt sales to a football club

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It's not about shirts. It's about giving your brand a reason for a new or neutral fan to become a lifelong source of revenue. Why should a 12 year old kid from San Francisco pick Manchester City instead of PSG? Why should a 22 year old in Shanghai pick Bayern Munich over Barcelona? How do you target wide swaths of a huge market with plenty of upside left when so many other properties are vying for their lifelong allegiance/dollars/viewership?

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Argentina struggling mightily in qualification. They will get in surely but still they sit 5th with Ecuador with 4 games and it all to play for. Also will have to do it without messi (not that they really need him with aguero Higuain and dybala available.

 

The Dutch are really in trouble.

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Argentina struggling mightily in qualification. They will get in surely but still they sit 5th with Ecuador with 4 games and it all to play for. Also will have to do it without messi (not that they really need him with aguero Higuain and dybala available.

 

The Dutch are really in trouble.

 

Argentina should be fine. They have at Uruguay, home to Peru, home to Venezuela, at Ecuador. Win the two home games against 8th and 10th gives them 28 points. Ecuador is at Brazil, home to Peru, at Chile and home to Argentina. So they'd have to beat Peru, Argentina and one of Brazil/Chile to get to 29. Paraguay has at Brazil, at Chile, home to Uruguay, at Columbia, home to Venezuela. They're only on 18 so they'd need 4 wins.

 

Netherlands needs to hold serve at home against Sweden and Bulgaria. Do that and they should be fine but they don't have much margin for error.

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Argentina struggling mightily in qualification. They will get in surely but still they sit 5th with Ecuador with 4 games and it all to play for. Also will have to do it without messi (not that they really need him with aguero Higuain and dybala available.

 

The Dutch are really in trouble.

 

Argentina should be fine. They have at Uruguay, home to Peru, home to Venezuela, at Ecuador. Win the two home games against 8th and 10th gives them 28 points. Ecuador is at Brazil, home to Peru, at Chile and home to Argentina. So they'd have to beat Peru, Argentina and one of Brazil/Chile to get to 29. Paraguay has at Brazil, at Chile, home to Uruguay, at Columbia, home to Venezuela. They're only on 18 so they'd need 4 wins.

 

Netherlands needs to hold serve at home against Sweden and Bulgaria. Do that and they should be fine but they don't have much margin for error.

 

I think conmebol is a two game agreggate for who gets in for 5th and 6th place after qualifying games. So if you describe happens then they would probably still need to maybe get a result at 10,000ft in Ecuador (after getting rolled at altitude v Bolivia). Obviously they should pass chile, Uruguay or Columbia but it doesn't look like they will based on their form. So this is not a dream scenario.