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Odor was not halfway down the line when the ump clearly called timeout. Runner should be at 3B.

 

Man, WHAT are you watching...he is actually about 3/4 of the way down the line by the time the ump waves for time. You must have some heartfelt sympathy toward the Blue Jays or something.

Um, no.

 

He was about halfway, but my point is that it doesn't matter because the umps can't award home plate after a time out. It's like an inadvertant whistle in football. If a ref blows a play dead, a team could pick up a fumble and run it back for a TD and it wouldn't matter. A dead ball is a dead ball.

 

Where are you getting that rule from? This is not football. How can an ump call 'time' in the middle of a live ball? If a batter hits a double to the wall, and is 3/4 of the way to second the ump cannot just call 'time' and tell the runner to go back to first base. Even if the second baseman has fallen and broke his leg the ball can't just be dead in the middle of live action when a runner is 3/4 of the way to a base without any valid interference to make to ball dead.

 

You're arguing for nothing. The umps called the run as scored -- and no doubt backed up by the league when they reviewed. You're up against the league's call on this.

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Not sure if baseball has the same rule as football- play is over with the whistle. In football, this rule exists largely to protect players who can seriously injure each other if they continue playing through a whistle.

Umpire discretion. It's like a ball hit down the line that's called foul but on replay it hit the line. The umps determine where they beleive the runner would have ended up.

 

Umpire discretion via replay was literally added with the advent of replay. The default has always been when play is ruled dead, anything that was potentially in progress is dead, regardless of intent, spirit, etc.

Exactly. And to the foul ball analogy, if the umpire had called a foul and blown it dead incorrectly, it doesn't matter if the batter ran for a triple. It's a strike at that point.

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The Bautista bat flip, home run staredown is the best non-Cubs baseball thing I've ever witnessed.

 

Yeah, that was terrific. He pimped that about as hard as you possibly can. I mean, the runner from third scored as he left the batter's box.

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Not sure if baseball has the same rule as football- play is over with the whistle. In football, this rule exists largely to protect players who can seriously injure each other if they continue playing through a whistle.

Umpire discretion. It's like a ball hit down the line that's called foul but on replay it hit the line. The umps determine where they beleive the runner would have ended up.

 

Umpire discretion via replay was literally added with the advent of replay. The default has always been when play is ruled dead, anything that was potentially in progress is dead, regardless of intent, spirit, etc.

Exactly. And to the foul ball analogy, if the umpire had called a foul and blown it dead incorrectly, it doesn't matter if the batter ran for a triple. It's a strike at that point.

No

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Not sure if baseball has the same rule as football- play is over with the whistle. In football, this rule exists largely to protect players who can seriously injure each other if they continue playing through a whistle.

Umpire discretion. It's like a ball hit down the line that's called foul but on replay it hit the line. The umps determine where they beleive the runner would have ended up.

 

Umpire discretion via replay was literally added with the advent of replay. The default has always been when play is ruled dead, anything that was potentially in progress is dead, regardless of intent, spirit, etc.

Exactly. And to the foul ball analogy, if the umpire had called a foul and blown it dead incorrectly, it doesn't matter if the batter ran for a triple. It's a strike at that point.

No

 

Before replay review, if a batted ball was ruled foul, the umpires could not congregate and change their mind and then award bases as they saw fit. The same thing applies here.

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Not sure if baseball has the same rule as football- play is over with the whistle. In football, this rule exists largely to protect players who can seriously injure each other if they continue playing through a whistle.

Umpire discretion. It's like a ball hit down the line that's called foul but on replay it hit the line. The umps determine where they beleive the runner would have ended up.

 

Umpire discretion via replay was literally added with the advent of replay. The default has always been when play is ruled dead, anything that was potentially in progress is dead, regardless of intent, spirit, etc.

Exactly. And to the foul ball analogy, if the umpire had called a foul and blown it dead incorrectly, it doesn't matter if the batter ran for a triple. It's a strike at that point.

No

Ok, ok, I went too far with that one. :blush:

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They absolutely could congregate and change a call.

 

Not when they had previously ruled the play dead. I mean, the rule on the books(as silly as I think it is) was correct for Odor to score there, so the end result isn't super unjust, but umpire calling a play dead killing everything that's ongoing is not a fact that it's in doubt. Unless you have a replay review, the umpire's ruling is an eraser to anything that could be considered in progress.

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I kinda want this to end with Texas brawling the Blue Jays as they try to celebrate. Assuming more crazy [expletive] doesn't happen, I want this to be the craziest game in sports now.

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