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[sontensei]

In August so far his line is

 

.304 Avg / .962 OPS 6BB/8K's

 

Maybe he is getting hot again!

[Little Slide Rooter]

He is going to be fine. They all are. There is no statistical evidence to back up any doubt. It's all hersay. You're making up numbers and observations. Now shut up. Lock this thread. Blow it up. Send it plummeting into the darkest depths of hell so that it may crush Adolph Hitler, Osama Bin Laden, and Anthony Lanza, so that some good may come from your lies.

[squally1313]

Yeah he's just going to be like this. Maybe without the huge swings like last month, but his average is always going to fluctuate more than other players because he puts so many less balls in play.

 

He had an absolutely brutal month, and he's still on pace for over 5 WAR his rookie season while having the same HR/FB% as Cameron Maybin (translation: incoming dongs). This is more than we could have expected.

[BigSlick]

It is ok to make a thread about how a player is playing bad when they're playing bad

[Guest]

I think it's possible he doesn't recognize change ups as well, but Bryant recognizes off speed stuff with different spin as well as anyone I've seen. I don't think that's near the top of the list of his current problems.

Aren't we back to this article?

http://www.hardballtimes.com/how-does-eye-color-affect-daynight-splits/

[Guest]

I think it's possible he doesn't recognize change ups as well, but Bryant recognizes off speed stuff with different spin as well as anyone I've seen. I don't think that's near the top of the list of his current problems.

Aren't we back to this article?

http://www.hardballtimes.com/how-does-eye-color-affect-daynight-splits/

 

Day: .211/.340/.368/.708

Night: .272/.372/.483/.855

 

This makes his Home/Road splits(.972 OPS home/.649 road) even more vexing, as he has to be seeing more day games at home. Too bad MLB.com did away with their double splits so we could see how he does in home night games.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Though not the ideal outcome, I suppose I wouldn't cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with serviceable defense. Seeing as that's Mike Olt's current ceiling, I'd probably cry a little, though.

[Guest]

Though not the ideal outcome, I suppose I wouldn't cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with serviceable defense. Seeing as that's Mike Olt's current ceiling, I'd probably cry a little, though.

 

really because I might kill myself

[UMFan83]

Though not the ideal outcome, I suppose I wouldn't cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with serviceable defense. Seeing as that's Mike Olt's current ceiling, I'd probably cry a little, though.

 

jfc, Kris Bryant in ~4 months has nearly equaled Mark Reynolds highest WAR season, which was his only season with a WAR over 1.3.

 

It would take an absolute disaster, like Bryant being stricken with polio, for him to have his career be compared to Mark Reynolds when all is said and done. And Bryant with polio might still be better than Reynolds.

[Guest]

Though not the ideal outcome, I suppose I wouldn't cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with serviceable defense. Seeing as that's Mike Olt's current ceiling, I'd probably cry a little, though.

 

jfc, Kris Bryant in ~4 months has nearly equaled Mark Reynolds highest WAR season, which was his only season with a WAR over 1.3.

 

thanks in large part to defense.

 

between the power, patience, and strikeouts, it's far from the craziest thing LLF has ever said.

[UMFan83]

Though not the ideal outcome, I suppose I wouldn't cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with serviceable defense. Seeing as that's Mike Olt's current ceiling, I'd probably cry a little, though.

 

jfc, Kris Bryant in ~4 months has nearly equaled Mark Reynolds highest WAR season, which was his only season with a WAR over 1.3.

 

thanks in large part to defense.

 

His offensive WAR this year would already be the second highest in Reynolds career. If your just looking at offensive WAR and comparing to Reynolds, expect one more season like this one from Bryant and the rest will be mediocre.

 

between the power, patience, and strikeouts, it's far from the craziest thing LLF has ever said.

 

thats not saying much

[Guest]

Though not the ideal outcome, I suppose I wouldn't cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with serviceable defense. Seeing as that's Mike Olt's current ceiling, I'd probably cry a little, though.

 

jfc, Kris Bryant in ~4 months has nearly equaled Mark Reynolds highest WAR season, which was his only season with a WAR over 1.3.

 

thanks in large part to defense.

 

between the power, patience, and strikeouts, it's far from the craziest thing LLF has ever said.

 

What? Bryant has a +5 UZR, but the bulk of his value has come from his offense.

[Sammy Sofa]

David has been picking some weird sides lately.

[Guest]

Though not the ideal outcome, I suppose I wouldn't cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with serviceable defense. Seeing as that's Mike Olt's current ceiling, I'd probably cry a little, though.

 

jfc, Kris Bryant in ~4 months has nearly equaled Mark Reynolds highest WAR season, which was his only season with a WAR over 1.3.

 

thanks in large part to defense.

 

between the power, patience, and strikeouts, it's far from the craziest thing LLF has ever said.

 

What? Bryant has a +5 UZR, but the bulk of his value has come from his offense.

 

he said bryant in 4 months has nearly equaled mark reynolds highest WAR season

 

that was largely because Reynolds was -11.9 that year and Bryant is +4.2 on defense (oh, and the baserunning too of course - although reynolds wasn't bad that season either)

 

offensively, bryant is putting up a 124 wRC+ this year, and reynolds put up a 127 wRC+ that year. reynolds with 33.7% K rate and 11.5% BB rate in 662 PA, bryant with a 30.3% k rate and 13.5% BB rate in 436 PA

[Guest]

David has been picking some weird sides lately.

 

UMFan attacked him like he's a lunatic when what he said (a low end for bryant might be reynolds except with decent defense at 3B) was far from deserving of such a response

[Gilby]

No, it's a weird comparison to make when Bryant is on pace to be worth over 5 wins his rookie season.

 

Look, he may not be a total beast offensively right away like some of the projections were saying, but his better-than-advertised defense has more than made up for it (though he still has a higher wRC+ than Longoria, Frazier, and Arenado, and his elite raw power hasn't really shown yet). Being concerned that the strikeouts won't make him a star is SO beginning of 2014. Embrace the awesomeness of Kris Bryant, David.

[Guest]

No, it's a weird comparison to make when Bryant is on pace to be worth over 5 wins his rookie season.

 

Something Reynolds didn't approach in the season UMFan referred to LARGELY BECAUSE OF DEFENSE, which was where LLF implied he'd add more value.

 

 

Look, he may not be a total beast offensively right away like some of the projections were saying, but his better-than-advertised defense has more than made up for it (though he still has a higher wRC+ than Longoria, Frazier, and Arenado, and his elite raw power hasn't really shown yet). Being concerned that the strikeouts won't make him a star is SO beginning of 2014. Embrace the awesomeness of Kris Bryant, David.

Holy [expletive].

 

 

What are you responding to?

[Gilby]

No, it's a weird comparison to make when Bryant is on pace to be worth over 5 wins his rookie season.

 

Look, he may not be a total beast offensively right away like some of the projections were saying, but his better-than-advertised defense has more than made up for it (though he still has a higher wRC+ than Longoria, Frazier, and Arenado, and his elite raw power hasn't really shown yet). Being concerned that the strikeouts won't make him a star is SO beginning of 2014. Embrace the awesomeness of Kris Bryant, David.

 

Holy [expletive].

 

 

What are you responding to?

 

You saying it wasn't a crazy comparison and overall being weary of KB.

 

It's a bad comparison because you have to completely ignore a HUGE difference between the two players and what makes one great and the other average at his very best.

[UMFan83]

David has been picking some weird sides lately.

 

UMFan attacked him like he's a lunatic when what he said (a low end for bryant might be reynolds except with decent defense at 3B) was far from deserving of such a response

 

he said that he wouldnt cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with defense. Mark Reynolds had one really good offensive season, one slightly less good offensive season and a bunch of average ones (1-2 wins over replacement level). If that's how Bryant's career goes with non-disasterous defense, that's a disappointing career.

 

LLF is overvaluing Reynolds IMO

[Guest]

No, it's a weird comparison to make when Bryant is on pace to be worth over 5 wins his rookie season.

 

Look, he may not be a total beast offensively right away like some of the projections were saying, but his better-than-advertised defense has more than made up for it (though he still has a higher wRC+ than Longoria, Frazier, and Arenado, and his elite raw power hasn't really shown yet). Being concerned that the strikeouts won't make him a star is SO beginning of 2014. Embrace the awesomeness of Kris Bryant, David.

 

Holy [expletive].

 

 

What are you responding to?

 

You saying it wasn't a crazy comparison and overall being weary of KB.

 

A - Most of what you said was acknowledged by me already.

 

B - I'm was only weary of KB's slump, which appears to be over. I was and will remain wary of Bryant's problems making contact in general. That doesn't mean I think he's going to be terrible or even not good (though it's much more of a possibility than you are letting on).

[Guest]

David has been picking some weird sides lately.

 

UMFan attacked him like he's a lunatic when what he said (a low end for bryant might be reynolds except with decent defense at 3B) was far from deserving of such a response

 

he said that he wouldnt cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with defense. Mark Reynolds had one really good offensive season, one slightly less good offensive season and a bunch of average ones (1-2 wins over replacement level). If that's how Bryant's career goes with non-disasterous defense, that's a disappointing career.

 

LLF is overvaluing Reynolds IMO

 

well wouldn't cry too hard implies he'd cry, so that's obviously disappointing, duh

[Gilby]

No, it's a weird comparison to make when Bryant is on pace to be worth over 5 wins his rookie season.

 

Look, he may not be a total beast offensively right away like some of the projections were saying, but his better-than-advertised defense has more than made up for it (though he still has a higher wRC+ than Longoria, Frazier, and Arenado, and his elite raw power hasn't really shown yet). Being concerned that the strikeouts won't make him a star is SO beginning of 2014. Embrace the awesomeness of Kris Bryant, David.

 

Holy [expletive].

 

 

What are you responding to?

 

You saying it wasn't a crazy comparison and overall being weary of KB.

 

A - Most of what you said was acknowledged by me already.

 

B - I'm was only weary of KB's slump, which appears to be over. I was and will remain wary of Bryant's problems making contact in general. That doesn't mean I think he's going to be terrible or even not good (though it's much more of a possibility than you are letting on).

 

And I think even the contact problems are overstated. He's showing that he's EXACTLY the type of player that can be a star with a 30% K rate. He's sustaining an elite walk rate and playing good defense at a difficult position, while hitting for some power that hasn't fully shown itself yet. I guess I don't see why we should be concerned over his contact problems when it's only the difference between him being a regular star instead of an elite player. It's not like it's causing him to be bad or only pretty good.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

Kris Bryant has been worth more BsR than everyone in baseball, excluding Billy Hamilton.

 

Don't forget that, too. He is Mark Reynolds, with positive defensive value, and top-of-the-line speed and base running instinct.

[Guest]

And I think even the contact problems are overstated. He's showing that he's EXACTLY the type of player that can be a star with a 30% K rate. He's sustaining an elite walk rate and playing good defense at a difficult position, while hitting for some power that hasn't fully shown itself yet. I guess I don't see why we should be concerned over his contact problems when it's only the difference between him being a regular star instead of an elite player. It's not like it's causing him to be bad or only pretty good.

 

 

So you think his floor at this point is "regular star" or would that be putting words in your mouth?

 

I'd love for you to be right.

Edited August 11, 2015 by David

[UMFan83]

David has been picking some weird sides lately.

 

UMFan attacked him like he's a lunatic when what he said (a low end for bryant might be reynolds except with decent defense at 3B) was far from deserving of such a response

 

he said that he wouldnt cry too hard if he ended up Mark Reynolds with defense. Mark Reynolds had one really good offensive season, one slightly less good offensive season and a bunch of average ones (1-2 wins over replacement level). If that's how Bryant's career goes with non-disasterous defense, that's a disappointing career.

 

LLF is overvaluing Reynolds IMO

 

well wouldn't cry too hard implies he'd cry, so that's obviously disappointing, duh

 

I took it as slightly disapponting but something he could live with. It would be very disappointing if he was mark Reynolds with passable defense, especially because he's already shown to be a better offensive player than every Reynolds season but one and has enough time left this year to surpass that one too