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They're dead. After Billy's drunken splurge last summer, my guess is that he's going to go into sell mode sooner than later. And he has two pieces in particular that I have my eye on:

 

Josh Reddick is killing it this year. He's 28 with one more year under team control. Tyler Clippard's always put up strong numbers, and this year's no different. 30 and a free agent after this year.

 

So what does it cost? No, Billy, you're not getting Addison back.

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I don't know how I missed how far out of it the A's have fallen. They'll almost certainly wait another 6 weeks to see if they can claw back in the race(they're 6 games under their Pythag and 8 under their BaseRuns W/L), but that's a tough hill to climb.

 

Reddick would be ideal, some writer already suggested without knowledge that Kazmir might make sense too. No one in the rotation that's quite the Reddick ideal though.

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CF Fowler (S)

3B Bryant ®

1B Rizzo (L)

RF Soler ®

LF Reddick (L)

SS Castro ®

C Montero (L)

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2B Russell ®

 

oh good lord that's good once Soler rights himself.

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Would Torres, McKinney, and like Edwards/Underwood come close to getting Reddick and Gray?

 

You're talking Billy Beane here, not Amaro.

 

I said come close. That's 3 top-100 prospects, 2 maybe top-50. Maybe I'm underestimating Reddick's trade value.

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Would Torres, McKinney, and like Edwards/Underwood come close to getting Reddick and Gray?

 

You're talking Billy Beane here, not Amaro.

 

This is kind of ironic given Beane's weird ass trades recently and the heist we pulled on him last year compared to Amaro's allegedly huge Hamels demands.

 

So basically I wasn't sure if your post meant that was too much or too little.

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Would Torres, McKinney, and like Edwards/Underwood come close to getting Reddick and Gray?

 

You're talking Billy Beane here, not Amaro.

 

This is kind of ironic given Beane's weird ass trades recently and the heist we pulled on him last year compared to Amaro's allegedly huge Hamels demands.

 

So basically I wasn't sure if your post meant that was too much or too little.

 

Last summer in general was as uncharacteristic of Billy Beane as could be. But if there's one thing Billy can do, it's rebuild in a hurry. Like that Marcus Semien he got for Shark; he has a 1.4 WAR, and a .303/.348/.510 line to go with it. And he may have been one of the Sox top prospects, but a fringe top 100 guy, certainly not a guy one would have expected to bring back a front end starting pitcher.

 

My point is that Billy's willing to do business without demanding you to empty the piggy bank.

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Yes, I agree.

 

So, Torres + McKinney + Edwards/Underwood is ____?

 

If not enough, how much do you think would need to be added?

 

I have no idea. I'm bad at trades so I just pretend they don't exist until they're rumored/happen.

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In a hypothetical trade w/ the A's for Reddick, I'd prefer to not move Torres. I know, he's an 18 y.o. MIF & much can happen over the next couple of years in his development. However, I think he's the kind of guy you hang onto as long as possible. His trade value/stock, IMO,is not even close to being maxxed-out.

 

I'd try to start by offering Vogelbach + McKinney + Edwards and see where that gets us.

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Yes, I agree.

 

So, Torres + McKinney + Edwards/Underwood is ____?

 

If not enough, how much do you think would need to be added?

 

I have no idea. I'm bad at trades so I just pretend they don't exist until they're rumored/happen.

 

Fair. My thought process was pretty much that it's too much for just Gray, maybe enough with Reddick, although you probably need to add another piece from the Cubs, but I didn't think anything really big for that final piece. I could be way off though.

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In a hypothetical trade w/ the A's for Reddick, I'd prefer to not move Torres. I know, he's an 18 y.o. MIF & much can happen over the next couple of years in his development. However, I think he's the kind of guy you hang onto as long as possible. His trade value/stock, IMO,is not even close to being maxxed-out.

 

I'd try to start by offering Vogelbach + McKinney + Edwards and see where that gets us.

 

I was considering Gray to be the higher value piece in Billy's mind in that trade. Reddick is a nice player, but has never OPS'd over .784. He had a 4.5 WAR 3 years ago, but hasn't topped 2.8 otherwise. I don't think you need to give up a ton for him.

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In a hypothetical trade w/ the A's for Reddick, I'd prefer to not move Torres. I know, he's an 18 y.o. MIF & much can happen over the next couple of years in his development. However, I think he's the kind of guy you hang onto as long as possible. His trade value/stock, IMO,is not even close to being maxxed-out.

 

I'd try to start by offering Vogelbach + McKinney + Edwards and see where that gets us.

 

I was considering Gray to be the higher value piece in Billy's mind in that trade. Reddick is a nice player, but has never OPS'd over .784. He had a 4.5 WAR 3 years ago, but hasn't topped 2.8 otherwise. I don't think you need to give up a ton for him.

 

Can't just dismiss the monster season he's having right now out of the value equation, though.

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In a hypothetical trade w/ the A's for Reddick, I'd prefer to not move Torres. I know, he's an 18 y.o. MIF & much can happen over the next couple of years in his development. However, I think he's the kind of guy you hang onto as long as possible. His trade value/stock, IMO,is not even close to being maxxed-out.

 

I'd try to start by offering Vogelbach + McKinney + Edwards and see where that gets us.

 

I was considering Gray to be the higher value piece in Billy's mind in that trade. Reddick is a nice player, but has never OPS'd over .784. He had a 4.5 WAR 3 years ago, but hasn't topped 2.8 otherwise. I don't think you need to give up a ton for him.

 

Can't just dismiss the monster season he's having right now out of the value equation, though.

 

Definitely, but how much that increases his value is what I'm trying to figure out. His BABIP is 65 points above his career average.

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In a hypothetical trade w/ the A's for Reddick, I'd prefer to not move Torres. I know, he's an 18 y.o. MIF & much can happen over the next couple of years in his development. However, I think he's the kind of guy you hang onto as long as possible. His trade value/stock, IMO,is not even close to being maxxed-out.

 

I'd try to start by offering Vogelbach + McKinney + Edwards and see where that gets us.

 

I was considering Gray to be the higher value piece in Billy's mind in that trade. Reddick is a nice player, but has never OPS'd over .784. He had a 4.5 WAR 3 years ago, but hasn't topped 2.8 otherwise. I don't think you need to give up a ton for him.

 

Can't just dismiss the monster season he's having right now out of the value equation, though.

 

Definitely, but how much that increases his value is what I'm trying to figure out. His BABIP is 65 points above his career average.

 

Yeah, I guess I'm in the minority here in thinking that while Reddick would be OK to get, I'm not that excited at all for him.

 

I don't think he will keep his early season success going, and I'm not particularly a huge fan of the fact that he doesn't get on base much. Outside of one season, he really doesn't provide special power, either. (I realize he's playing in a tough park in Oakland).

 

If we are going to give up a package with players like Torres, I would like somebody much more inspiring. And if we can't get that kind of player, then I'd prefer to call Baez up and replace our left fielder with Bryant.

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Obviously Beane isn't one to clutch pearls, but I don't see a great reason why he'd want to trade Gray either.

 

Reddick makes sense because he's only under control through next year, and because of that my first thought is that Vogelbach/McKinney/Edwards is too high a starting point. I do like Vogelbach in that deal though, seems like the prime time and opportunity to capitalize on his value.

 

EDIT: I'm dumb, I forgot Vogelbach/McKinney/Edwards was a suggestion for Reddick and Gray and not just Reddick.

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What's the deal with Zobrist? Is he expected back soon? id prefer targeting him if he's healthy and he could play LF. Baez+Torres+Vogelbach+ 1 of Edwards/Underwood+1 of Almora/McKinney for Gray, Clippard and Zobrist?
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Would Torres, McKinney, and like Edwards/Underwood come close to getting Reddick and Gray?

 

It's always a tough guess in these situations, and at the end of the day, a lot comes down to what teams want, but I'd be stunned if something like that didn't at least get their attention. Close is a tough thing to define in these situations, but that would have to get their attention. I mean, with Torres supposedly a fast track kid (I know they have ANOTHER shortstop in the pipeline already, name is slipping me, but Torres is a better talent than him), and Underwood looking like a TOR type arm that could hit AA soon ... if Beane calls it quits on this year, that would have to be something that could get their attention.

 

With Gray being cost-controlled for 3 more years (unless I'm mistaken), I doubt that would be enough, unless there's some concern about Gray that I'm missing. To be quite honest, I doubt they move Gray unless it's a blow them away offer.

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Would Torres, McKinney, and like Edwards/Underwood come close to getting Reddick and Gray?

 

You're talking Billy Beane here, not Amaro.

 

This is kind of ironic given Beane's weird ass trades recently and the heist we pulled on him last year compared to Amaro's allegedly huge Hamels demands.

 

So basically I wasn't sure if your post meant that was too much or too little.

 

I think Gray is pretty close to untouchable especially since the A's will be trying to rebuild.

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The flip side to the idea that Gray is untouchable because they are trying to rebuild would be that moving a guy like him, with, I think, 3 arb years, would net a lot more and likely help the rebuild move along faster. I don't rule anything out with Beane, as he's shown that he's amenable to all sorts of ideas.

 

That said, they made a lot of moves this winter to rebuild while trying to stay competitive, so I don't think they would make any moves with the sole focus being on rebuilding.

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Good call on the OP. Reddick and Clippard is about as perfect as any realistic scenario could be for this season. Exactly what the Cubs need (LF and RP). Guys who play for a team that probably isn't going anywhere and aren't in the future plans of that team. Exactly what I'd imagine the Cubs would like in a couple guys who aren't old and aren't on long-term, bad contracts. And maybe most importantly, a couple guys who'd be good fits on the current roster, but won't require the Cubs to trade a ton of major minor league assets.

 

Torres, McKinney, and Underwood would be too much, IMO (and too little if Gray is involved, which I don't see any way he would be). But McKinney and Underwood would probably get the ball rolling pretty far. Of course, the As had McKinney, so I don't know if there is a ton of interest there. I'd probably try to keep McKinney and dangle Alcantara, but he's not hitting. I don't think it'd require Baez, nor would I think the As would be interested in a player like Javy. Underwood seems like the type of arm the As have typically valued though, so I'd imagine he'd be a part of any deal, as he's about the healthiest, good pitching prospect the Cubs have.

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