Cubs Mets deal inevitable?

[Guest]

I take that back. I'd trade Almora in a deal for a dominant reliever. But I have a really hard time with anyone we have who is more valuable.

[SouthSideRyan]

I take that back. I'd trade Almora in a deal for a dominant reliever. But I have a really hard time with anyone we have who is more valuable.

 

I guess it depends on how you rate Almora, and if that reliever is just a rental. Backend dominant relief is one of the few edges you can get in a postseason series IMO

[Guest]

I take that back. I'd trade Almora in a deal for a dominant reliever. But I have a really hard time with anyone we have who is more valuable.

 

I guess it depends on how you rate Almora, and if that reliever is just a rental. Backend dominant relief is one of the few edges you can get in a postseason series IMO

 

Don't really disagree.

[sontensei]

We cant really replace Travis Wood besides Wada. Honestly neither of them are very good. Essentially we have a pretty good chance to lose 2/5 games automatically at this rate considering the bullpen is not very good. while a .600 winning percentage is amazing you cant expect lester arietta and hammel to win EVERY game going 7+ innings. i get the strategy that the FO did and its working for the most part to make the team better, if ricketts is going to give theo blank checks this offseason and they can pick up a bunch of top end pitchers that'd be cool, but do you really see that happening? The details aside, i dont know why they wouldnt swap a little depth for a little depth.

[Guest]

We cant really replace Travis Wood besides Wada. Honestly neither of them are very good. Essentially we have a pretty good chance to lose 2/5 games automatically at this rate considering the bullpen is not very good. while a .600 winning percentage is amazing you cant expect lester arietta and hammel to win EVERY game going 7+ innings. i get the strategy that the FO did and its working for the most part to make the team better, if ricketts is going to give theo blank checks this offseason and they can pick up a bunch of top end pitchers that'd be cool, but do you really see that happening? The details aside, i dont know why they wouldnt swap a little depth for a little depth.

 

What do you think reasonable expectations are for a 5th starter?

 

And yes, I absolutely do see them aggressively pursuing a top end SP in free agency in the offseason (barring a trade for one that I hope we do not make unless it's really necessary).

 

EDIT - Wait, did you say a bunch? Why would you say that? They already have 2 very good starters. Barring terrible injuries or something, if they signed one, they'd have 3 that would slot at #1 for a lot of teams.

[sontensei]

We cant really replace Travis Wood besides Wada. Honestly neither of them are very good. Essentially we have a pretty good chance to lose 2/5 games automatically at this rate considering the bullpen is not very good. while a .600 winning percentage is amazing you cant expect lester arietta and hammel to win EVERY game going 7+ innings. i get the strategy that the FO did and its working for the most part to make the team better, if ricketts is going to give theo blank checks this offseason and they can pick up a bunch of top end pitchers that'd be cool, but do you really see that happening? The details aside, i dont know why they wouldnt swap a little depth for a little depth.

 

What do you think reasonable expectations are for a 5th starter?

 

And yes, I absolutely do see them aggressively pursuing a top end SP in free agency in the offseason (barring a trade for one that I hope we do not make unless it's really necessary).

 

EDIT - Wait, did you say a bunch? Why would you say that? They already have 2 very good starters. Barring terrible injuries or something, if they signed one, they'd have 3 that would slot at #1 for a lot of teams.

 

I think reasonable expectations to be the best team in baseball would be having a 5th starter that consistently gets quality starts. Aside from that depth in the rotation and pen. we all know pitchers are mostly made of glass if one of our top guys went down for a while were screwed we dont have depth like the cards.

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[imb]

i dont know why even the average fan is so gung-ho to trade for young pitching. Just a quick look at the top 5 pitching prospects in baseball every year over the last six years shows that you're more likely to get a 0 than anything valuable

 

2015

7 - Lucas Giolito - 10.38 era in 4 innings this year, 20 years old at A+

10 - julio urias - totally legit

11 - noah syndergaard - just made mob debut, was good in limited AAA this year, not so much last year

15 - carlos rodon - 34 minor league innings, MLB performance yet to be seen

16 - tyler glasnow - Looks very strong in AA debut

 

2014

4 - Masahiro Tanaka - great, but already hurt multiple times, TJS seems like a foregone conclusion

9 - archie bradley - never harnessed his control, velocity took a step back. Succeeded early in MLB though it looks like a mirage

11 - taijuan walker- Only 22, but has been horrific this year.

12 - jon gray - Mediocre in AA, getting destroyed in AAA this year

15 - dylan bundy - now 22, pitching like 3 innings per appearance in AA

 

2013

2 - dylan bundy - See above

5 - jose fernandez - Already a TJS victim

6 - shelby miller - better so far this year, but looks nothing like he did in the minors.

7 - gerrit cole - looks like a hoss.

11 - zack wheeler - Pretty average in 1 1/2 years in MLB, another TJS victim

 

2012

2 - matt moore - Lost some of his stuff, has been average and had TJS

4 - yu darvish - Lost part of a year to injury, then had TJS

5 - julio teheran - struggled this year, but has two years of solid workhorse stuff as 22 and 23 year old

8 - shelby miller - see above

9 - trevor bauer - Average MLB results, never harnessed his control

 

2011

5 - julio teheran - see above

6 - jeremy hellickson - lol

6 - aroldis chapman - Great reliever

11 - jameson taillon - TJS victim

13 - shelby miller - see above

 

2010

2 - stephen strasburg - always right on the verge of eliteness, had TJS, has been awful this year

5 - brian matusz - LOL

9 - neftali feliz - had TJS, has been pretty lights out low-usage reliever

14 - madison bumgarner - stud

17 - martin perez - average starter, had TJS

[Little Slide Rooter]

Is this really any more news than one of the AL exec believes will pick snips that come up every winter? A writer asks a guy for his opinion, then proceeds to pass it off as a lead?

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Don't aim so high. We should trade Castro for a fringe prospect.

[SouthSideRyan]

Top 5 position players for reference:

 

2014

1. Buxton - injury issues since '13, hasn't replicated that success since.

2. Bogaerts - who knows what happened here

3. Taveras - DEAD

5. Baez - well, he's less dead than Taveras

6. Sano - hitting pretty crappily at AA

 

2013

1. Profar - out for his 2nd consecutive season

3. Taveras - Yep, still dead

4. Myers - terrible last year, back to mashing this year

8. Bogaerts - see above

9. Sano - see above

 

2012

1. Harper - there we go

3. Trout - there we go

6. Montero - oops

7. Profar - see above

9. Machado - stud

 

Previous years sprinkle in Domonic Brown, some more Monetro, and Desmond Jennings, but yeah.

[Guest]

Top 5 position players for reference:

 

2014

1. Buxton - injury issues since '13, hasn't replicated that success since.

2. Bogaerts - who knows what happened here

3. Taveras - DEAD

5. Baez - well, he's less dead than Taveras

6. Sano - hitting pretty crappily at AA

 

2013

1. Profar - out for his 2nd consecutive season

3. Taveras - Yep, still dead

4. Myers - terrible last year, back to mashing this year

8. Bogaerts - see above

9. Sano - see above

 

2012

1. Harper - there we go

3. Trout - there we go

6. Montero - oops

7. Profar - see above

9. Machado - stud

 

Previous years sprinkle in Domonic Brown, some more Monetro, and Desmond Jennings, but yeah.

Any particular reason you skipped:

 

1. Kris Bryant 3b Cubs

2. Byron Buxton of Twins

3. Addison Russell ss Cubs

4. Carlos Correa ss Astros

5. Corey Seager ss Dodgers

[SouthSideRyan]

Scanned imb's quickly didn't notice he included this years. Was genuinely curious about the difference, wasn't a gotcha attempt(and that would've failed miserably if it was)

[Little Slide Rooter]

Top 5 position players for reference:

 

2014

1. Buxton - injury issues since '13, hasn't replicated that success since.

2. Bogaerts - who knows what happened here

3. Taveras - DEAD

5. Baez - well, he's less dead than Taveras

6. Sano - hitting pretty crappily at AA

 

2013

1. Profar - out for his 2nd consecutive season

3. Taveras - Yep, still dead

4. Myers - terrible last year, back to mashing this year

8. Bogaerts - see above

9. Sano - see above

 

2012

1. Harper - there we go

3. Trout - there we go

6. Montero - oops

7. Profar - see above

9. Machado - stud

 

Previous years sprinkle in Domonic Brown, some more Monetro, and Desmond Jennings, but yeah.

Any particular reason you skipped:

 

1. Kris Bryant 3b Cubs

2. Byron Buxton of Twins

3. Addison Russell ss Cubs

4. Carlos Correa ss Astros

5. Corey Seager ss Dodgers

 

Verdicts still out on all of them. But the same should be said for the '13 and '14 lists. This being said, I'm not sure why they're fixating on lists where most of the guys still have a chance (with one obvious exception,) when they could go back a few years and find that for every Joe Mauer , there's an Ian Stewart. For every Felix Hernandez, there's an Edwin Jackson.

[Derwood]

Castro for Snydergaard wouled do it for me.

 

Even when Thor's elbow explodes in the next year?

 

Why is that going to happen?

[Derwood]

Castro for Snydergaard wouled do it for me.

 

Even when Thor's elbow explodes in the next year?

 

Why is that going to happen?

Because pitchers

[Guest]

i don't see why they're not proven enough...Syndergaard and Matz have proven full well they're very good at getting hitters out (2.4 WAR ZiPS projection for 26 GS, 2.2 WAR for 25 GS)

 

also, Castro's currently sitting at replacement level despite .330 BABIP

 

When you're giving up big time position assets and are seemingly able to pull 2 win pitchers out of a hat, that projection(and the fact that it's a projection) isn't probably enough.

 

I mean sure, if they wanted to trade Thor and Matz in a package for Castro you're starting to get somewhere, but most Met-based conversations are still trying to figure out why Niese isn't enough for him.

 

You're so pot-committed on Castro, you just can't get away from your hand, can you?

 

I'd ask you the same thing.

 

if the Mets front office has an aneurysm and offers you Thor straight up for Castro, you take it. You take it and you hide your shame because of your "who needs pitching?" nonsense.

[treebird]

hopefully this series has proven to the mets once and for all that hitters are better than pitchers and that they should adjust they trade offers accordingly.

[RammyFanny]

i don't see why they're not proven enough...Syndergaard and Matz have proven full well they're very good at getting hitters out (2.4 WAR ZiPS projection for 26 GS, 2.2 WAR for 25 GS)

 

also, Castro's currently sitting at replacement level despite .330 BABIP

 

When you're giving up big time position assets and are seemingly able to pull 2 win pitchers out of a hat, that projection(and the fact that it's a projection) isn't probably enough.

 

I mean sure, if they wanted to trade Thor and Matz in a package for Castro you're starting to get somewhere, but most Met-based conversations are still trying to figure out why Niese isn't enough for him.

 

You're so pot-committed on Castro, you just can't get away from your hand, can you?

 

I'd ask you the same thing.

 

if the Mets front office has an aneurysm and offers you Thor straight up for Castro, you take it. You take it and you hide your shame because of your "who needs pitching?" nonsense.

Everyone needs pitching because pitchers are pitchers and break and are unreliable. Which is why you don't give up very good assets that play every single day for them.

[Guest]

i don't see why they're not proven enough...Syndergaard and Matz have proven full well they're very good at getting hitters out (2.4 WAR ZiPS projection for 26 GS, 2.2 WAR for 25 GS)

 

also, Castro's currently sitting at replacement level despite .330 BABIP

 

When you're giving up big time position assets and are seemingly able to pull 2 win pitchers out of a hat, that projection(and the fact that it's a projection) isn't probably enough.

 

I mean sure, if they wanted to trade Thor and Matz in a package for Castro you're starting to get somewhere, but most Met-based conversations are still trying to figure out why Niese isn't enough for him.

 

You're so pot-committed on Castro, you just can't get away from your hand, can you?

 

I'd ask you the same thing.

 

if the Mets front office has an aneurysm and offers you Thor straight up for Castro, you take it. You take it and you hide your shame because of your "who needs pitching?" nonsense.

 

it was a joke about fidel you silly bastard

[Guest]

do not take that to imply that i agree with that dumb post

[Clem Fandango]

Top 5 position players for reference:

 

2014

1. Buxton - injury issues since '13, hasn't replicated that success since.

2. Bogaerts - who knows what happened here

3. Taveras - DEAD

5. Baez - well, he's less dead than Taveras

6. Sano - hitting pretty crappily at AA

 

2013

1. Profar - out for his 2nd consecutive season

3. Taveras - Yep, still dead

4. Myers - terrible last year, back to mashing this year

8. Bogaerts - see above

9. Sano - see above

 

Lost it.

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i don't see why they're not proven enough...Syndergaard and Matz have proven full well they're very good at getting hitters out (2.4 WAR ZiPS projection for 26 GS, 2.2 WAR for 25 GS)

 

also, Castro's currently sitting at replacement level despite .330 BABIP

 

When you're giving up big time position assets and are seemingly able to pull 2 win pitchers out of a hat, that projection(and the fact that it's a projection) isn't probably enough.

 

I mean sure, if they wanted to trade Thor and Matz in a package for Castro you're starting to get somewhere, but most Met-based conversations are still trying to figure out why Niese isn't enough for him.

 

You're so pot-committed on Castro, you just can't get away from your hand, can you?

 

I'd ask you the same thing.

 

if the Mets front office has an aneurysm and offers you Thor straight up for Castro, you take it. You take it and you hide your shame because of your "who needs pitching?" nonsense.

Yeah [expletive] no dude

[Guest]

i don't see why they're not proven enough...Syndergaard and Matz have proven full well they're very good at getting hitters out (2.4 WAR ZiPS projection for 26 GS, 2.2 WAR for 25 GS)

 

also, Castro's currently sitting at replacement level despite .330 BABIP

 

When you're giving up big time position assets and are seemingly able to pull 2 win pitchers out of a hat, that projection(and the fact that it's a projection) isn't probably enough.

 

I mean sure, if they wanted to trade Thor and Matz in a package for Castro you're starting to get somewhere, but most Met-based conversations are still trying to figure out why Niese isn't enough for him.

 

You're so pot-committed on Castro, you just can't get away from your hand, can you?

 

I'd ask you the same thing.

 

if the Mets front office has an aneurysm and offers you Thor straight up for Castro, you take it. You take it and you hide your shame because of your "who needs pitching?" nonsense.

Yeah [expletive] no dude

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