Week 11: Vikings (4-5) @ Bears (suck), Noon CBS/780

[Guest]

Kreutz didn't have to have the goal of making a player better, he just harassed people if they fucked up and that served a purpose.

 

It's better to be seen as cruel than as a fool, which is what we have right now.

[Sammy Sofa]

for years, Kreutz WAS the offensive line. i remember watching him block his man, the guard's man, and then pull and block the tackle's guy on the same play. he knewfootball, and that commanded respect.

 

no one is saying he's a "Patton-like leader", he's more a Gregor Clegane, Vargo Hoat or Maelys the Monstrous. But he was good at what he did, others knew it, and he kept the offense in line.

 

The offense [expletive] sucked, so I don't know why you want to keep giving him credit for that.

[Guest]

for years, Kreutz WAS the offensive line. i remember watching him block his man, the guard's man, and then pull and block the tackle's guy on the same play. he knewfootball, and that commanded respect.

 

no one is saying he's a "Patton-like leader", he's more a Gregor Clegane, Vargo Hoat or Maelys the Monstrous. But he was good at what he did, others knew it, and he kept the offense in line.

 

The offense [expletive] sucked, so I don't know why you want to keep giving him credit for that.

 

yeah, those Chad Hutchinson/Craig Krenzel/Jim Miller/Shane Matthews/Cade McNown/Jonathan Quinn-led teams should have been powerhouses. Kreutz was a center, not a QB, but he did manage to keep everyone from melting down while they were terrible, they even made the playoffs while his QB managed the game, bit by bit.

[jersey cubs fan]

Jesus let's stop talking about Olin freaking Kreutz.

 

 

This team wouldn't be any better with Olin freaking Kreutz.

[Guest]

it's easy for people to give more credit to urlacher for being the leader on that team, the defense had actual guys who could play football.

 

i remember back in 2005 after losing to the Browns, Mike Brown says publicly, "we suck." Bears win 8 in a row and win the division. that's a [expletive] cathartic moment from a team with players and an identity they had to defend. this team has no personality, no identity.

[Guest]

Jesus let's stop talking about Olin freaking Kreutz.

 

 

This team wouldn't be any better with Olin freaking Kreutz.

 

olin kreutz in his prime? of course they would be. don't be stupid.

[jersey cubs fan]

Jesus let's stop talking about Olin freaking Kreutz.

 

 

This team wouldn't be any better with Olin freaking Kreutz.

 

olin kreutz in his prime? of course they would be. don't be stupid.

 

You are insane.

 

Kreutz couldn't make the offense better, let alone the defense.

[Guest]

Jesus let's stop talking about Olin freaking Kreutz.

 

 

This team wouldn't be any better with Olin freaking Kreutz.

 

olin kreutz in his prime? of course they would be. don't be stupid.

 

You are insane.

 

Kreutz couldn't make the offense better, let alone the defense.

 

yeah, i'm insane to say we would be better with an all-pro offensive lineman added to the roster, [expletive] off.

[Guest]

and to say he didn't make the offense better is all kinds of crazy

[Banedon]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

[Guest]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

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[Banedon]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

 

bored internet message people

 

Not all of em.

[Guest]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

 

bored internet message people

 

Not all of em.

 

it's not like we're talking Notre Dame basketball here

[minnesotacubsfan]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

 

 

I do, it's important to recognizeOlin in his prime was waaaaayyy better then Garza and de le Puente

[minnesotacubsfan]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

 

bored internet message people

 

Not all of em.

 

The rest can stay away

[Banedon]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

 

 

I do, it's important to recognizeOlin in his prime was waaaaayyy better then Garza and de le Puente

 

Why is that important?

[jersey cubs fan]

Whooooo carrrrrrres

 

 

I do, it's important to recognizeOlin in his prime was waaaaayyy better then Garza and de le Puente

 

its more important to recognize center is not where you want your best lineman and a big improvement there isn't going to help your team much

[minnesotacubsfan]

Someone has to be right and someone has to be wrong.

 

 

I'm meatballing.

[sneakypower]

 

FWIW, I didn't mean he was a terrible player. I meant he was a terrible leader. All bluster. He was a leader for the sake of saying he was leading, not to accomplish anything meaningful. He had some good years as a lineman, however, him being the best lineman on the team was neither good for any other lineman, or the team. Kreutz was the type of guy that said we dip our balls in the rookies mouths because somebody dipped their balls in his mouth when he was a a rookie, not because he thought it helped the team grow together.

 

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1259197/i-wanna-dip-my-balls-in-it-o.gif

well now i'm actually glad i labored through the last however many pages of the Olin Kreutz tangent

[jersey cubs fan]

for years, Kreutz WAS the offensive line. i remember watching him block his man, the guard's man, and then pull and block the tackle's guy on the same play. he knewfootball, and that commanded respect.

 

Yeah no, you do not remember that.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

FWIW, I didn't mean he was a terrible player. I meant he was a terrible leader. All bluster. He was a leader for the sake of saying he was leading, not to accomplish anything meaningful. He had some good years as a lineman, however, him being the best lineman on the team was neither good for any other lineman, or the team. Kreutz was the type of guy that said we dip our balls in the rookies mouths because somebody dipped their balls in his mouth when he was a a rookie, not because he thought it helped the team grow together.

 

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/1259197/i-wanna-dip-my-balls-in-it-o.gif

well now i'm actually glad i labored through the last however many pages of the Olin Kreutz tangent

 

As a Lions fan, and after the Schwartz years, how much fun is our misery?

[minnesotacubsfan]

for years, Kreutz WAS the offensive line. i remember watching him block his man, the guard's man, and then pull and block the tackle's guy on the same play. he knewfootball, and that commanded respect.

 

Yeah no, you do not remember that.

 

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[Guest]

Just fire Kreutz and Urlacher already, so we can discuss this week's game.

[Guest]

@mikecwright: Chicago Bears signed WR B.J. Cunningham and G Antoine McClain to the practice squad.

[sneakypower]

As a Lions fan, and after the Schwartz years, how much fun is our misery?

"the Schwartz years" probably doesn't place in the top 10 of a Lions fans misery list

 

i don't feel much schadenfreude about the Bears this season; you're not Ohio State / Cardinals / UK hoops