Week 11: Vikings (4-5) @ Bears (suck), Noon CBS/780

[minnesotacubsfan]

Wth

[jersey cubs fan]

My favorite is the fan who LOVES their team or claim to be a huge fan, but really don't have a clue about the history of the team. A year ago on Thanksgiving, I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a "big Steelers fan". As we were talking about them, I asked him who is his favorite Steelers and he said James Harrison. We were talking about the recent and current Steelers then I started mentioning Greg Lloyd, Carnell Lake, Kirkland, Greene, and the Blitzburgh Steelers era and he just gave me a blank stare. He literally knew none of those guys except for Rod Woodson and Kevin Greene (because he remembered him as a Panthers). It was just mind boggling to me because, mind you, he's 33 so he should know those guys if he's a big fan of the Steelers. So I think he was a James Harrison fan first then became a Steelers fan so he didn't know anybody really before like '04. So every couple months, I'll send him a video of the Blitzburgh Steelers or Steel Curtain Steelers on facebook so he can brush up on the history of his team.

immigrant?

[Guest]

My favorite is the fan who LOVES their team or claim to be a huge fan, but really don't have a clue about the history of the team. A year ago on Thanksgiving, I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a "big Steelers fan". As we were talking about them, I asked him who is his favorite Steelers and he said James Harrison. We were talking about the recent and current Steelers then I started mentioning Greg Lloyd, Carnell Lake, Kirkland, Greene, and the Blitzburgh Steelers era and he just gave me a blank stare. He literally knew none of those guys except for Rod Woodson and Kevin Greene (because he remembered him as a Panthers). It was just mind boggling to me because, mind you, he's 33 so he should know those guys if he's a big fan of the Steelers. So I think he was a James Harrison fan first then became a Steelers fan so he didn't know anybody really before like '04. So every couple months, I'll send him a video of the Blitzburgh Steelers or Steel Curtain Steelers on facebook so he can brush up on the history of his team.

 

I know who Butkus, Sayers, etc. are and I don't really give a [expletive] about them. I'd give you a blank stare too if you started talking about Bears players from 40 years ago for some reason.

[jersey cubs fan]

My favorite is the fan who LOVES their team or claim to be a huge fan, but really don't have a clue about the history of the team. A year ago on Thanksgiving, I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a "big Steelers fan". As we were talking about them, I asked him who is his favorite Steelers and he said James Harrison. We were talking about the recent and current Steelers then I started mentioning Greg Lloyd, Carnell Lake, Kirkland, Greene, and the Blitzburgh Steelers era and he just gave me a blank stare. He literally knew none of those guys except for Rod Woodson and Kevin Greene (because he remembered him as a Panthers). It was just mind boggling to me because, mind you, he's 33 so he should know those guys if he's a big fan of the Steelers. So I think he was a James Harrison fan first then became a Steelers fan so he didn't know anybody really before like '04. So every couple months, I'll send him a video of the Blitzburgh Steelers or Steel Curtain Steelers on facebook so he can brush up on the history of his team.

 

I know who Butkus, Sayers, etc. are and I don't really give a [expletive] about them. I'd give you a blank stare too if you started talking about Bears players from 40 years ago for some reason.

 

Greg Lloyd played throughout the 90s. He's not talking about dudes from 40 years ago.

[Guest]

My favorite is the fan who LOVES their team or claim to be a huge fan, but really don't have a clue about the history of the team. A year ago on Thanksgiving, I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a "big Steelers fan". As we were talking about them, I asked him who is his favorite Steelers and he said James Harrison. We were talking about the recent and current Steelers then I started mentioning Greg Lloyd, Carnell Lake, Kirkland, Greene, and the Blitzburgh Steelers era and he just gave me a blank stare. He literally knew none of those guys except for Rod Woodson and Kevin Greene (because he remembered him as a Panthers). It was just mind boggling to me because, mind you, he's 33 so he should know those guys if he's a big fan of the Steelers. So I think he was a James Harrison fan first then became a Steelers fan so he didn't know anybody really before like '04. So every couple months, I'll send him a video of the Blitzburgh Steelers or Steel Curtain Steelers on facebook so he can brush up on the history of his team.

 

I know who Butkus, Sayers, etc. are and I don't really give a [expletive] about them. I'd give you a blank stare too if you started talking about Bears players from 40 years ago for some reason.

 

Greg Lloyd played throughout the 90s. He's not talking about dudes from 40 years ago.

 

Whoops.

 

I saw Greene and mistook Blitzburgh Steelers for the Steel Curtain in my head. It's early (not to say I had heard of most of those guys otehr than Woodson and Greene).

[Guest]

That said I'd probably respond with a blank stare to talk about Alonzo Spellman, Bryan Cox, and Salaam, but that'd be for different reasons.

 

Not Raymont Harris, though. Dat ultraback.

[Brian707]

If anybody is at all confused about what a fair weather or bandwagon fan is it's all the Blackhawks fans older than 10 and younger than 50.

 

The bears are such a huge deal in this city i don't think you can actually have a fair weather fan.

 

 

That is so wrong. I am 37. I started going to games around 86 or 87. Probably went to two a year from then until 2003, when I got fed up with $Bill and his horseshit. I vowed never to buy a ticket again until he took his dirt nap. I bought my next ticket in December of 2007.

[Brian707]

You want the definition of a fair weather fan, go look at the people who were cheering for the Cubs in 2003 and were then singing "Don't Stop Believing" in 2005.

[Guest]

You want the definition of a fair weather fan, go look at the people who were cheering for the Cubs in 2003 and were then singing "Don't Stop Believing" in 2005.

 

There are a lot more Blackhawk bandwagon fans than there are that. Though I'm sure anyone who did that is probably a huge Blackhawks "fan" now too.

[bukie]

You want the definition of a fair weather fan, go look at the people who were cheering for the Cubs in 2003 and were then singing "Don't Stop Believing" in 2005.

 

There are a lot more Blackhawk bandwagon fans than there are that. Though I'm sure anyone who did that is probably a huge Blackhawks "fan" now too.

The Blackhawks thing wasn't so much related to the team being bad as it was the owner actively driving fans away with everything he did.

[WrigleyField 22]

Bandwagon fans are just the likely precursor to fair weather fans. They jump on when a team gets good. If their loyalty wanes when the team is bad and picks up again with success, they make the transition to fair weather. If you become a fan when the team is bad you aren't a bandwagon fan. Though if doesn't exclude you from becoming fair weather later on.

 

Simply, bandwagon describes the circumstances under which you became a fan and fair weather is based on cyclical nature of how you follow them.

 

 

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[WrigleyField 22]

Someone growing up in the 90s like myself is a good example of Chicago sports fandom :

 

NBA- Bulls were awesome

NFL - Bears sucked

MLB - Cubs sucked

NHL - Hawks sucked and were blacked out.

 

I'm a bandwagon Hawks fan. Borderline Bulls bandwagon fan, but they did also happen to just be awesome when first exposed. Not bandwagon for Bears or Cubs.

 

I'm a little bit fair weather on all but the Bears though. Probably more sensitive to the Cubs though than Bulls. Hawks tbd.

 

 

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Edited November 18, 2014 by WrigleyField 22

[Guest]

You want the definition of a fair weather fan, go look at the people who were cheering for the Cubs in 2003 and were then singing "Don't Stop Believing" in 2005.

 

There are a lot more Blackhawk bandwagon fans than there are that. Though I'm sure anyone who did that is probably a huge Blackhawks "fan" now too.

The Blackhawks thing wasn't so much related to the team being bad as it was the owner actively driving fans away with everything he did.

 

I never said there aren't those. The organization obviously didn't do itself any favors in that time period. That said, while better than it was in the late 90's-mid 2000s, I think they'd still be an afterthought if they weren't great and I think that'll be the case if and when they aren't great anymore. Which isn't to say anything other than they are hugely popular right now because they're really good and really marketable but their baseline fan-base when they aren't really good is probably still much much lower and the gap between those two levels is probably wider than with any other team in town. That's partly just the nature of hockey being the least popular sport of the big 4, in general, but it doesn't change the fact that in Chicago, that fan-base has more casual fans to every die-hard (or whatever label you want to put on the various groups) of any in town. It's a combination of a smaller dedicated fan base going in and a city that is eager to get excited when it has good teams.

[Guest]

Bandwagon fans are just the likely precursor to fair weather fans. They jump on when a team gets good. If their loyalty wanes when the team is bad and picks up again with success, they make the transition to fair weather. If you become a fan when the team is bad you aren't a bandwagon fan. Though if doesn't exclude you from becoming fair weather later on.

 

Simply, bandwagon describes the circumstances under which you became a fan and fair weather is based on cyclical nature of how you follow them.

 

 

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I can buy this thought process.

[jersey cubs fan]

Someone growing up in the 90s like myself is a good example of Chicago sports fandom :

 

NBA- Bulls were awesome

NFL - Bears sucked

MLB - Cubs sucked

NHL - Hawks sucked and were blacked out.

 

I'm a bandwagon Hawks fan. Borderline Bulls bandwagon fan, but it they did also happen to just be awesome when first exposed. Not bandwagon for Bears or Cubs.

 

I'm a little bit fair weather on all but the Bears though. Probably more sensitive to the Cubs though than Bulls. Hawks tbd.

 

The Blackhawks had some great teams in the first half of the 90's.

[Guest]

Someone growing up in the 90s like myself is a good example of Chicago sports fandom :

 

NBA- Bulls were awesome

NFL - Bears sucked

MLB - Cubs sucked

NHL - Hawks sucked and were blacked out.

 

I'm a bandwagon Hawks fan. Borderline Bulls bandwagon fan, but it they did also happen to just be awesome when first exposed. Not bandwagon for Bears or Cubs.

 

I'm a little bit fair weather on all but the Bears though. Probably more sensitive to the Cubs though than Bulls. Hawks tbd.

 

The Blackhawks had some great teams in the first half of the 90's.

 

I probably would like hockey today if they never traded Roenick. It was right around when I was getting interested in sports. First Cubs, then Bulls, then Bears, all in the same year. Was also watching hockey and playing hockey video games a lot. JR was my favorite to use. Anyway, yeah, when they traded him, it was right in this critical stage of me jumping into sports fandom head first and it kind of killed it for me. They pretty much got a lot worse right away and lost the guy I liked.

[Splendid Splinter]

My favorite is the fan who LOVES their team or claim to be a huge fan, but really don't have a clue about the history of the team. A year ago on Thanksgiving, I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a "big Steelers fan". As we were talking about them, I asked him who is his favorite Steelers and he said James Harrison. We were talking about the recent and current Steelers then I started mentioning Greg Lloyd, Carnell Lake, Kirkland, Greene, and the Blitzburgh Steelers era and he just gave me a blank stare. He literally knew none of those guys except for Rod Woodson and Kevin Greene (because he remembered him as a Panthers). It was just mind boggling to me because, mind you, he's 33 so he should know those guys if he's a big fan of the Steelers. So I think he was a James Harrison fan first then became a Steelers fan so he didn't know anybody really before like '04. So every couple months, I'll send him a video of the Blitzburgh Steelers or Steel Curtain Steelers on facebook so he can brush up on the history of his team.

immigrant?

 

Nope. Lived in Indiana his whole life.

[WrigleyField 22]

Someone growing up in the 90s like myself is a good example of Chicago sports fandom :

 

NBA- Bulls were awesome

NFL - Bears sucked

MLB - Cubs sucked

NHL - Hawks sucked and were blacked out.

 

I'm a bandwagon Hawks fan. Borderline Bulls bandwagon fan, but it they did also happen to just be awesome when first exposed. Not bandwagon for Bears or Cubs.

 

I'm a little bit fair weather on all but the Bears though. Probably more sensitive to the Cubs though than Bulls. Hawks tbd.

 

The Blackhawks had some great teams in the first half of the 90's.

I was born 88, so early 90s was even a little early for myself. Someone born a few years earlier would then have had the benefit of a good team during those initial sports fan years.

 

Hockey also has to have benefited from HD more than any other sport, no?

 

 

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[Splendid Splinter]

That said I'd probably respond with a blank stare to talk about Alonzo Spellman, Bryan Cox, and Salaam, but that'd be for different reasons.

 

Not Raymont Harris, though. Dat ultraback.

 

 

That's kinda how it would be if he was a Bears fan. You at least know who those guys were. To make a comparsion, Greg Lloyd to the Steelers is what Singletary/Urlacher is to the Bears although Harrison probably passed Lloyd. Dude was REALLY well known in the 90s even if you weren't a Steelers fan. He's the dude who said [expletive] in his post game interview after beating Colts in the AFC championship. 5x Pro Bowl (91-95) 3x 1st team All-Pro (93-95)

 

Yeah I was naming guys that he would've watch when we were 7-14 and I figured that's how he became a Steelers fan in the first place because I grew up watching those guys on TV along with the Bears. It was just really weird.

Edited November 18, 2014 by Splendid Splinter

[UMFan83]

Someone growing up in the 90s like myself is a good example of Chicago sports fandom :

 

NBA- Bulls were awesome

NFL - Bears sucked

MLB - Cubs sucked

NHL - Hawks sucked and were blacked out.

 

I'm a bandwagon Hawks fan. Borderline Bulls bandwagon fan, but they did also happen to just be awesome when first exposed. Not bandwagon for Bears or Cubs.

 

I'm a little bit fair weather on all but the Bears though. Probably more sensitive to the Cubs though than Bulls. Hawks tbd.

 

 

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I hear ya. This included the infamous stretch between 1999-2003 where all Chicago teams that I care about sucked

 

Cubs - 0 playoff appearances, 3 last place finishes and 1 late season collapse

Bears - 1 playoff appearance which was a disappointing loss, 3 last place finishes with 10 losses

Blackhawks - 1 playoff appearance that led to being trounced by rivals, 4 sub .500 records

Bulls - 0 playoff appearances, 4 last place finishes, 4 seasons either losing 60 or on a 60 loss pace (lockout season)

 

So 2/18 teams made the playoffs (Cubs and Bears 4 seasons, Bulls and Hawks 5 seasons), both were fluke seasons that ended abruptly when the playoffs started and 10 last place finishes

 

This was my sports fandom from age 16-20

[Guest]

I hear ya. This included the infamous stretch between 1999-2003 where all Chicago teams that I care about sucked

 

Cubs - 0 playoff appearances, 3 last place finishes and 1 late season collapse

Bears - 1 playoff appearance which was a disappointing loss, 3 last place finishes with 10 losses

Blackhawks - 1 playoff appearance that led to being trounced by rivals, 4 sub .500 records

Bulls - 0 playoff appearances, 4 last place finishes, 4 seasons either losing 60 or on a 60 loss pace (lockout season)

 

So 2/18 teams made the playoffs (Cubs and Bears 4 seasons, Bulls and Hawks 5 seasons), both were fluke seasons that ended abruptly when the playoffs started and 10 last place finishes

 

This was my sports fandom from age 16-20

 

I had always blamed the fact that I didn't pay as much attention to sports on the fact that I had my first girlfriend in about that time period, but holy [expletive] you're right it was really [expletive] bad.

 

Basically all I remember about sports in that time period is:

 

Kerry Wood tommy john

Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Tyson Chandler, Jay Williams (no game in particular, just that they existed and I was excited about them sorta) - Oh and when they got off to like a 2-1 start in 2002 and I thought things were finally turning around

Sosa home run derby in Atlanta

2001 Bears

2001 Cubs

Seeing Mike Cameron almost hit 4 HR in one game from my gf's basement

Lakers/Kings series because those were kinda awesome

Mark Prior being drafted and his debut

 

i guess that might seem like a lot, but i went out of my way to list anything i remembered off the top of my head and both of the actual good teams were total flashes in the pan.

[sneakypower]

My favorite is the fan who LOVES their team or claim to be a huge fan, but really don't have a clue about the history of the team. A year ago on Thanksgiving, I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a "big Steelers fan". As we were talking about them, I asked him who is his favorite Steelers and he said James Harrison. We were talking about the recent and current Steelers then I started mentioning Greg Lloyd, Carnell Lake, Kirkland, Greene, and the Blitzburgh Steelers era and he just gave me a blank stare. He literally knew none of those guys except for Rod Woodson and Kevin Greene (because he remembered him as a Panthers). It was just mind boggling to me because, mind you, he's 33 so he should know those guys if he's a big fan of the Steelers. So I think he was a James Harrison fan first then became a Steelers fan so he didn't know anybody really before like '04. So every couple months, I'll send him a video of the Blitzburgh Steelers or Steel Curtain Steelers on facebook so he can brush up on the history of his team.

 

I know who Butkus, Sayers, etc. are and I don't really give a [expletive] about them. I'd give you a blank stare too if you started talking about Bears players from 40 years ago for some reason.

 

Greg Lloyd played throughout the 90s. He's not talking about dudes from 40 years ago.

he was always a go-to player when building my Sega Madden '96 roster

[Brian707]

I guess I got kinda lucky about the first year I followed my teams.

 

1984 Cubs

1984-85 Bulls Jordan's rookie year

1985 Bears

1985 or 86 Hawks they were very good but they got crushed by the super team Oilers. I was only able to watch the games when on the road of course at my grandma's because we didn't have Sportsvision. So I listened to the home games and a lot of the road games on some obscure radio station.

[rawaction]

My favorite is the fan who LOVES their team or claim to be a huge fan, but really don't have a clue about the history of the team. A year ago on Thanksgiving, I was talking to a cousin of mine who is a "big Steelers fan". As we were talking about them, I asked him who is his favorite Steelers and he said James Harrison. We were talking about the recent and current Steelers then I started mentioning Greg Lloyd, Carnell Lake, Kirkland, Greene, and the Blitzburgh Steelers era and he just gave me a blank stare. He literally knew none of those guys except for Rod Woodson and Kevin Greene (because he remembered him as a Panthers). It was just mind boggling to me because, mind you, he's 33 so he should know those guys if he's a big fan of the Steelers. So I think he was a James Harrison fan first then became a Steelers fan so he didn't know anybody really before like '04. So every couple months, I'll send him a video of the Blitzburgh Steelers or Steel Curtain Steelers on facebook so he can brush up on the history of his team.

 

I know who Butkus, Sayers, etc. are and I don't really give a [expletive] about them. I'd give you a blank stare too if you started talking about Bears players from 40 years ago for some reason.

 

Greg Lloyd played throughout the 90s. He's not talking about dudes from 40 years ago.

 

Whoops.

 

I saw Greene and mistook Blitzburgh Steelers for the Steel Curtain in my head. It's early (not to say I had heard of most of those guys otehr than Woodson and Greene).

 

 

When I first moved to Pittsburgh, I was mistaken for LeVon Kirkland a lot. I'm a big dude, but nowhere near that big. He was like a 280lb inside LB.

[Splendid Splinter]

When I first moved to Pittsburgh, I was mistaken for LeVon Kirkland a lot. I'm a big dude, but nowhere near that big. He was like a 280lb inside LB.

 

 

He's also like 6'1" at best. Dude was a bowling ball at that position.