Offseason Rumors & Transactions Thread

[Gilby]

Martinez + one of those outfielders wouldn't be good enough for Hamels, I wouldn't think. That package could maybe get it done for Price though, especially if Detroit wants to re-sign Scherzer.

[Clem Fandango]

If that's what it takes for Price the Cubs should pull that trigger themselves.

[Gilby]

If that's what it takes for Price the Cubs should pull that trigger themselves.

 

I think Martinez is better than any player Theo would be willing to give up for Price, except maybe Javy, but it's likely that Martinez has more value.

[DiamondMind]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

[Fro]

We at least need to bid up the price on all three of those players instead of getting blindsided like with the Heyward deal.

[d_money]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

[Guest]

Martinez + one of those outfielders wouldn't be good enough for Hamels, I wouldn't think. That package could maybe get it done for Price though, especially if Detroit wants to re-sign Scherzer.

 

It depends on if the 'good enough' is in the actual value sense, or what Amaro will actually accept sense. Martinez + Piscotty/Grichuk is pretty close to the former, but I agree it's not going to be good enough for the latter unless Amaro changes course.

[Guest]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

 

Yes. And look at what the Tigers gave up for 1/3 of a season more.

[Guest]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

 

Yes. And look at what the Tigers gave up for 1/3 of a season more.

 

I think Samardzija's path puts a dent in the idea that the trade value declines linearly, there's pretty clearly deadline inflation. That said, the rumored Cardinals package isn't so far from what the Sox gave up for Shark.

[Guest]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

 

Yes. And look at what the Tigers gave up for 1/3 of a season more.

 

I think Samardzija's path puts a dent in the idea that the trade value declines linearly, there's pretty clearly deadline inflation. That said, the rumored Cardinals package isn't so far from what the Sox gave up for Shark.

 

That only strengthens my argument in this case.

[Guest]

Yeah, I misunderstood what you were emphasizing there.

[SouthSideRyan]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

 

Does he even have any surplus value?

[d_money]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

 

Does he even have any surplus value?

He's at $19m in 2015...what's the $ calculation for the value of each WAR for pitchers?

[Guest]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

 

Does he even have any surplus value?

He's at $19m in 2015...what's the $ calculation for the value of each WAR for pitchers?

 

ssr was kidding

[d_money]

No way that's all it takes to get Price

Isn't Price a FA after 2015?

 

Does he even have any surplus value?

He's at $19m in 2015...what's the $ calculation for the value of each WAR for pitchers?

 

ssr was kidding

Ahhhh, got it...more coffee!!

[Shilzzz]

what is this baez for betts business?

[Guest]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/uncertainty-mookie-betts-and-javier-baez/

[Guest]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/uncertainty-mookie-betts-and-javier-baez/

Interesting idea. Sort of looks to me like plate discipline is the elephant in the room when looking at uncertainty.

[Guest]

The results: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/visualizing-2015-mookie-betts-vs-2015-javier-baez/

[Little Slide Rooter]

I would be okay with trading Baez and or Alcantara. A lot of strike outs between the two.

 

Some guy on Facebook RE: Ben Zobrist.

[Some Guy]

Not to be confused with this Some Guy (capitalized).

[toonsterwu]

If that's what it takes for Price the Cubs should pull that trigger themselves.

 

You have to remember, Carlos Martinez, while having some warts, is a guy who is largely viewed as having at least two 70 pitches, and probably two 80 pitches. He gets groundballs to go along with a 4-seamer that he can overpower people with. If he developed as a starter, this is a guy with front line potential ... and he's proven that he can, at least, to some extent, play in the majors and succeed. There isn't a direct comparison. Now, I think Grichuk and Piscotty are a bit over-rated, to be quite honest - useful players, but for comparison's sake, I'm not so sure they are better than say, Nick Franklin, who was essentially the third piece in the last Price deal.

 

I'm not saying we should or shouldn't - more or less, I'm saying if the Tigers were actually interested in that, I don't think we'd match up with that sort of deal. Now ... there are certainly those out there that view Martinez as a mid-rotation, 3 type starter with questions on stamina and a 3rd pitch. It's certainly possible CJ Edwards could become Martinez-ish, but Martinez right now has some major league track record to bolster him.

 

* That said, I actually think Martinez and Grichuk/Piscotty is similar in value to what the Tigers gave up (Smyly/Adames/Franklin) to get Price. I think everyone, including myself, under-rated Adames value, and while Smyly lacks Martinez's ceiling (even before the changes the Rays asked him to make), he's got a deeper arsenal and seems a safer bet as a starter, and his ceiling isn't bad.

[Cubswin11]

I don't think there's a pitcher in baseball that has, or is projected to have two 80s pitches.

[Guest]

Carlos Martinez is what everyone is afraid C.J. Edwards will turn into.

[sneakypower]

I don't think there's a pitcher in baseball that has, or is projected to have two 80s pitches.

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