2014 NBA Playoffs

[UMFan83]

OK its the middle of the 1st round, the Bulls are probably going to be eliminated tonight, the NHL gets one and I'm sick of reading about Donald Sterling in the Bulls thread.

 

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[sneakypower]

Taiwanese Animators' best work yet?

(re Sterling)

[Ryne Ween]

That Hibbert picture is hilarious.

 

I read Kareem's sterling article and it's perfect. It's ridiculous that Mark Jackson suggested fans shouldn't attend the game. Mark Jackson is an idiot.

[Soul]

I LOL'd.

[Soul]

On an actual basketball note: not only are the Bulls just about done, but the Pacers are on the brink as well.

 

I'd be more surprised by the Pacers not making it out of the first round, in spite of their struggles late in the regular season. Next game is in Atlanta too.

[Ryne Ween]

The bulls should be able to win tonight. I really think the pressure is on Washington win game 6. I still believe. Things like this can happen. The Wiz are not some unstoppable force. The bulls just need to play well tonight and Thursday. Get it to a game 7.

[Soul]

Obviously I'm rooting for them, but I'm going to need to see something way different tonight for me to believe they'll take 3 in a row.

 

Starting the game with a lead instead of a 15-some point deficit would be preferrable, for example.

[Ryne Ween]

The rockets usage of Dwight is all wrong. They should be establishing his post game early and not exclusively at the end of the game 4. He's a great player but he allowed a help defender to strip him in some huge moments.

[Old Style]

It's ridiculous that Mark Jackson suggested fans shouldn't attend the game. Mark Jackson is an idiot.

He's only suggesting it because he will be the visiting team and would love for the Clippers home court advantage to be neutralized as much as possible.

[Ryne Ween]

Obviously I'm rooting for them, but I'm going to need to see something way different tonight for me to believe they'll take 3 in a row.

 

Starting the game with a lead instead of a 15-some point deficit would be preferrable, for example.

 

And losing the turnover battle by less than 10 would also help. Or maybe a member of our starting lineup playing like an NBA basketball player would help greatly.

[Ryne Ween]

It's ridiculous that Mark Jackson suggested fans shouldn't attend the game. Mark Jackson is an idiot.

He's only suggesting it because he will be the visiting team and would love for the Clippers home court advantage to be neutralized as much as possible.

 

Sports owners are like promoters. If Mark Jackson feels so strongly he Shouldn't go himself.

[Old Style]

It's ridiculous that Mark Jackson suggested fans shouldn't attend the game. Mark Jackson is an idiot.

He's only suggesting it because he will be the visiting team and would love for the Clippers home court advantage to be neutralized as much as possible.

 

Sports owners are like promoters. If Mark Jackson feels so strongly he Shouldn't go himself.

But he's not putting any money in Sterling's racist wallet by coaching.

[Soul]

It's ridiculous that Mark Jackson suggested fans shouldn't attend the game. Mark Jackson is an idiot.

He's only suggesting it because he will be the visiting team and would love for the Clippers home court advantage to be neutralized as much as possible.

 

Sports owners are like promoters. If Mark Jackson feels so strongly he Shouldn't go himself.

But he's not putting any money in Sterling's racist wallet by coaching.

 

Yes, although unfortunately this is ticket money that has already made its way to Sterling's wallet. At this point not showing up would only hurt those players.

[Ryne Ween]

It's ridiculous that Mark Jackson suggested fans shouldn't attend the game. Mark Jackson is an idiot.

He's only suggesting it because he will be the visiting team and would love for the Clippers home court advantage to be neutralized as much as possible.

 

Sports owners are like promoters. If Mark Jackson feels so strongly he Shouldn't go himself.

But he's not putting any money in Sterling's racist wallet by coaching.

 

Yea he is. If the warriors didn't play the fans wouldn't come. Concessions and merchandise sales wouldn't occur. Sterling gets a piece of the TV deal so all of GSWs national games regardless of who they play a piece gets to sterlings wallet.

 

If he feels so strongly than the warrior should not make the trip.

[Soul]

Wouldn't that be a forfeiture of the game?

 

How does that not hurt the players just as much as Sterling?

[Old Style]

Wouldn't that be a forfeiture of the game?

 

How does that not hurt the players just as much as Sterling?

Exactly. The tickets for these games have been purchased and the team deserves fan support. Now what the fans need to do is not spend a penny at the game. No alcohol, food, souvenirs, etc.

[Ryne Ween]

Wouldn't that be a forfeiture of the game?

 

How does that not hurt the players just as much as Sterling?

Exactly. The tickets for these games have been purchased and the team deserves fan support. Now what the fans need to do is not spend a penny at the game. No alcohol, food, souvenirs, etc.

 

Sterling likely has more money than any 81 year old can spend. He bought a team for 10mln that he could sell for 700mln. So trying to "hit him where it hurts" Vis a Vis money is pathetically ineffectual.

 

Sterling is being totally and completely destroyed on a public reputation and social level. He will likely be strong armed into selling his team to a minority buyer. Fans and players etc have no obligation to try to make any sacrifices. They don't need to. So Mark Jackson essentially making clippers fans seem complicit with sterlin for continuing to support he team was wrong on his part. Expecting other people to make sacrifices that you won't make is wrong. That's my point. Ditto to S Jax for saying he'd sit out if he was a clipper or Lebron intimating he'd consider it.

[Old Style]

Wouldn't that be a forfeiture of the game?

 

How does that not hurt the players just as much as Sterling?

Exactly. The tickets for these games have been purchased and the team deserves fan support. Now what the fans need to do is not spend a penny at the game. No alcohol, food, souvenirs, etc.

 

Sterling likely has more money than any 81 year old can spend. He bought a team for 10mln that he could sell for 700mln. So trying to "hit him where it hurts" Vis a Vis money is pathetically ineffectual.

When a business starts losing tens of millions he will notice. I'm not talking about one game. Sure he would make money on the sale of the team but then he's out of the league, which is the whole point behind this idea. They are already losing advertisers/sponsors left & right.

 

I think I like Jeff VanGundy's idea that Silver needs to allow all Clipper players to void their contracts and become free agents if they so desire. Not sure if that's legally possible but that would cripple Sterling's franchise, making it worth a lot less when he eventually sells. Who's going to go there as a free agent now?

[Ryne Ween]

Doc Rivers to the very least help orchestrate his trade there despite knowing full well that sterling was what he was. I agree with you now that the exterior pressure will be on people to not sign there lest they be complicit with sterling. But you do have a number of unsavory owners, other owners historically making suc tacit comments and players will still sign there. I don't fault players who take good money to play for a bad guy. My qualifications would be money city and a teams ability to compete in that order.

 

Conceptually, JVGs thing makes sense. In practice it ultimately gives both the lakers and the Knicks superstar players and for that reason I cannot allow it. More than anything I want the Knicks to continue to fail and handing Phil Jackson Blake Griffen and Chris Paul would be more than I could take.

[Old Style]

Did JVG's plan also include eliminating the salary cap?

[Ryne Ween]

Did JVG's plan also include eliminating the salary cap?

 

I think both of those teams can add a bunch of salary.

 

But yea if you took 1/30th of the total salary pool you would need to make ashustmenys to the cap to not screw over the rest of the free agents.

[jersey cubs fan]

suspended indefinitely and $5m fine

[Banedon]

suspended indefinitely and $5m fine

 

What exactly does a suspension of an owner entail?

 

EDIT: Wording.

[Cubswin11]

suspended indefinitely and $5m fine

 

What exactly is the consequence to an owner of suspension?

I just asked the same thing to some of my buddies. Does it just mean he's not allowed to games or NBA events? Is he not allowed in the offices/able to make day-to-day business decisions indefinitely? Not allowed to vote on anything?

[jersey cubs fan]

suspended indefinitely and $5m fine

 

What exactly does a suspension of an owner entail?

 

EDIT: Wording.

 

Did you ever read about Steinbrenner?

 

I think it is basically that they are not allowed at games and other league related events. They can have no hand in running things. They can't run board meetings or hire/fire management, etc.