Week 6 - Giants (0-5) @ Burrs (3-2) 7:25 CT Thurs NFLN

[ctcf]

i guess i smell like farts too... :(

[RynoRules]

Bad D Line v Bad O Line

 

Are Tommie Harris and Tank Johnson available? Check that Ted Johnson and Keith Traylor?

[Old Style]

I really love this amazing high powered offense the CFL guy has brought to the Bears. He's a [expletive] wizard, I tell you.

[ctcf]

I really love this amazing high powered offense the CFL guy has brought to the Bears. He's a [expletive] wizard, I tell you.

 

They have the third most points scored in the league.

[Banedon]

I really love this amazing high powered offense the CFL guy has brought to the Bears. He's a [expletive] wizard, I tell you.

 

Oh for fucks sake. Don't be a meatball. Do you seriously not think the Bears offense is better than it was under Lovie? Do you think that a new offense should be great after 5 games? I love Cutler, but he's not Peyton Manning.

 

The defensive line should bother you way, way, way, more than anything on offense.

[Soul]

No excuse in this one. Kick 'em while they are down.

[jersey cubs fan]

Favored by 8? I think the Bears are only 1-4 against the spread so far this season. And as bad as the Giants are, I think it will be tough for them to cover this one. It would really stink to screw this game up though. Need a win so bad.

[Old Style]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

[jersey cubs fan]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

I would not even consider assuming that. There's a reason the people who ran that offense are not running NFL offenses today.

[Guest]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

lol no

[Old Style]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

I would not even consider assuming that. There's a reason the people who ran that offense are not running NFL offenses today.

Maybe they should go coach in the CFL.

[Banedon]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

They had Greg Olsen and couldn't do anything with him. Lovie couldn't coach offense, and couldn't hire a coach that could coach offense. There's no reason to assume what you're saying is true.

[Old Style]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

They had Greg Olsen and couldn't do anything with him. Lovie couldn't coach offense, and couldn't hire a coach that could coach offense. There's no reason to assume what you're saying is true.

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

[jersey cubs fan]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

I would not even consider assuming that. There's a reason the people who ran that offense are not running NFL offenses today.

Maybe they should go coach in the CFL.

 

What the hell are you on about? Trestman may wind up with shortcomings as a head coach when all is said and done. But considering the fact that this is a new system, the first five games should not be considered a failure from an offensive standpoint. It isn't running smoothly or explosive enough, but if you had reasonable expectations for the first five games, this has to have met your standards. The probably yesterday was nobody could catch or hold onto balls. It wasn't the system.

[Soul]

Yeah, it's pretty clear the only chance this team has is to develop into a more consistent scoring threat over the course of the year.

 

There's just no upside on the defense. They are what they are. Hope for a couple punch-outs from Tillman maybe.

 

All the upside is on the offense. This is what Trestman was brought here to do. So do it.

[Guest]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

They had Greg Olsen and couldn't do anything with him. Lovie couldn't coach offense, and couldn't hire a coach that could coach offense. There's no reason to assume what you're saying is true.

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

 

A big part of the offensive line improvement is the coaching change...

[Banedon]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

They had Greg Olsen and couldn't do anything with him. Lovie couldn't coach offense, and couldn't hire a coach that could coach offense. There's no reason to assume what you're saying is true.

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

 

Do you think Lovie would have played two rookies on the right side? Don't you think we'd still have Webb playing out there with Lovie and Tice in charge? You're assuming that the coaching staff would have made the same personnel decisions. They wouldn't.

[Guest]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

They had Greg Olsen and couldn't do anything with him. Lovie couldn't coach offense, and couldn't hire a coach that could coach offense. There's no reason to assume what you're saying is true.

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

 

Do you think Lovie would have played two rookies on the right side? Don't you think we'd still have Webb playing out there with Lovie and Tice in charge? You're assuming that the coaching staff would have made the same personnel decisions. They wouldn't.

 

That's without even getting into scheme, both in terms of play calling and protections.

[jersey cubs fan]

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

 

I really do not think Mike Tice would have been running a better offense even if he had the exact same personnel at his disposal.

[Soul]

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

 

I really do not think Mike Tice would have been running a better offense even if he had the exact same personnel at his disposal.

 

Mike Tice is a living example of the Peter Principle.

[UMFan83]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

They had Greg Olsen and couldn't do anything with him. Lovie couldn't coach offense, and couldn't hire a coach that could coach offense. There's no reason to assume what you're saying is true.

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

 

They are starting 4 new starters on the line, 2 of them rookies. They are switching to a completely different offensive system. They've played 3 very good defenses, an average defense and a bad defense. And still they are about statistically average for the season, which is an improvement over last year.

 

I expect them to be better offensively at the end of the season and if they aren't, then you can maybe start to evaluate Trestman.

[UK1679666180]

They improved the OL and added Martellus Bennett. The offense would have been improved with the same idiots running the team from last year.

 

They had Greg Olsen and couldn't do anything with him. Lovie couldn't coach offense, and couldn't hire a coach that could coach offense. There's no reason to assume what you're saying is true.

Mike Martz refused to use a TE. Was he the OC last year? The biggest problem with the offense last year was the horrific OL play. You don't believe that fixing that issue would have made the offense better without any other changes (taking Bennett out of the equation)?

 

You're ignoring the pace to which Cutler is getting rid of the football which is a philosophy change espec from Martz.

 

The offense scheme has dramatically, while its not as downfield as Id like, theyre using Forte much more efficiently.

[WrigleyField 22]

Come on guys, it's not Mike Tice's fault that Mills and Long are just more talented. I mean other than the fact that Tice personally pulled for the Bears to draft Webb, was personally responsible for developing him, and had complete say over where he lined up. Other than that, Tice could do anything Kromer and Treastman could do!

 

Actually no wait, I'm reasonably sure those guys can scheme better too, but other than that, he's just as equal.

 

The "test" for Treastman is if he can be better than Turner who was sadly our best OC in a while and ran our highest rates offenses in the past two decades. I mean, it's not a high bar, but he's already shown enough to surpass the rest of the list barring some huge set backs from our current production.

[WrigleyField 22]

And as far as the other offensive upgrades, I don't think you can discredit coaches when FAs make decisions. Money will always be the biggest thing, but I wouldn't discount the fact that Bushrod followed his old OL coach here. Bennett I can't say for sure, but I believe the offseason before we showed interest in that TE from Sea and he chose to stay with them and Pete Carroll. I don't know specifically if it came down to coaching but realistically ask yourself if guys look at a turd like Tice and really wanna play for him as opposed to guys who get great reviews from players (like Carroll)

[Old Style]

I don't want it to seem like I am defending the previous coaching staff, because they were horrible. But it seems like whatever improvements we've seen on offense due to the change in coaching staff has been offset by the defense getting worse.