Minor League Discussion & Boxes 8-16-13

[Guest]

what makes Lindor or Correa better prospects than Baez? Higher floors?

 

I don't know a ton about Correa, but Lindor's ceiling can't be anywhere near what Baez's is.

[illiniguy]

Yes.

I can see the Sano love also. huge power, great plate discipline, and not much further down the defensive spectrum.

[KingCubsFan]

Yes.

You must not be familiar with Bogaerts.

[davell]

To qualify the guys I mentioned: Not my opinion whatsoever,its based on reading BA, BP, Law, Sickels, Fangraphs and guessing at how THEY look at these guys. Hulet was just straight up trolling on Baez today, as an example. And no, I don't think much of Hulet's opinion.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yes.

You must not be familiar with Bogaerts.

 

I am a bit. Baez is doing filthier things to AA than he did at the same age, in a much better pitcher's league. And, iirc, with a better chance of sticking at SS.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

To qualify the guys I mentioned: Not my opinion whatsoever,its based on reading BA, BP, Law, Sickels, Fangraphs and guessing at how THEY look at these guys. Hulet was just straight up trolling on Baez today, as an example. And no, I don't think much of Hulet's opinion.

 

Generally, I expect the prospect pundits to become less and less knowledgeable as the season goes on, just because of the way they divide their attention among 30 teams. They catch up in the offseason. I expect some come-to-jesus articles on Baez from them.

[rawaction]

Call it a hunch, but I don't trust Sano's K rate to get better as I do with Javy. Baez has had trouble making contact early at each level and then made adjustments. Sano hasn't really made those type of strides at AA, even though overall numbers are better than Javy's

[rawaction]

what makes Lindor or Correa better prospects than Baez? Higher floor?.

Nothing.

[davell]

These guys put a ton of emphasis on defense. Lindor being a GG caliber guy, plus solid plate discipline, solid hit tool, and 10-15 HR power would make him a higher floor guy than Baez. Correa? Honestly, he's going to be [expletive] good. His ceiling may be as high as Javy's and he's got a much, much, much better idea of plate discipline at 18 than Javy did. Myself? I put Buxton at 1, followed by Correa, then Bogaerts, then Javy. 5th for me is Tavares, with 6-10 changing constantly.

[illiniguy]

These guys put a ton of emphasis on defense. Lindor being a GG caliber guy, plus solid plate discipline, solid hit tool, and 10-15 HR power would make him a higher floor guy than Baez. Correa? Honestly, he's going to be [expletive] good. His ceiling may be as high as Javy's and he's got a much, much, much better idea of plate discipline at 18 than Javy did. Myself? I put Buxton at 1, followed by Correa, then Bogaerts, then Javy. 5th for me is Tavares, with 6-10 changing constantly.

Until Carlos shows the power I can't see him being above Javy. I know it very well might come and if it does, yeah he's gonna be great. But, I just have to see some more of it.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Call it a hunch, but I don't trust Sano's K rate to get better as I do with Javy. Baez has had trouble making contact early at each level and then made adjustments. Sano hasn't really made those type of strides at AA, even though overall numbers are better than Javy's

 

Sano's AA OPS is actually below Baez's (although his A+ numbers were better), and his defensive profile is worse. And he's doing it in a league with a collective OPS 50 points higher than Baez's.

 

I'm not saying Baez has to be above Sano, but I don't think it has to be the other way around either.

[davell]

These guys put a ton of emphasis on defense. Lindor being a GG caliber guy, plus solid plate discipline, solid hit tool, and 10-15 HR power would make him a higher floor guy than Baez. Correa? Honestly, he's going to be [expletive] good. His ceiling may be as high as Javy's and he's got a much, much, much better idea of plate discipline at 18 than Javy did. Myself? I put Buxton at 1, followed by Correa, then Bogaerts, then Javy. 5th for me is Tavares, with 6-10 changing constantly.

Until Carlos shows the power I can't see him being above Javy. I know it very well might come and if it does, yeah he's gonna be great. But, I just have to see some more of it.

I understand that completely. There's not a uniform way to judge these guys obviously. Some people rank guys in the upper levels higher. Some rank on pure upside. Obviously some weigh floor more than others. Its fun to read the different takes of the main guys, because the only thing they agree on, is its certainly an inexact science.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Corey Black struck out 8 in five innings at Daytona, with only 1 BB and one run. 8 hits, oddly enough.

[RammyFanny]

Bryant 2/3 with 2 singles today.

[davell]

Corey Black struck out 8 in five innings at Daytona, with only 1 BB and one run. 8 hits, oddly enough.

Of all teams in sll leagues, Daytona had to win the trade deadline. They added Pineyro, Black, and Edwards to the rotation, then got Bryant and Vogelbach as well.

[rawaction]

Call it a hunch, but I don't trust Sano's K rate to get better as I do with Javy. Baez has had trouble making contact early at each level and then made adjustments. Sano hasn't really made those type of strides at AA, even though overall numbers are better than Javy's

 

Sano's AA OPS is actually below Baez's (although his A+ numbers were better), and his defensive profile is worse. And he's doing it in a league with a collective OPS 50 points higher than Baez's.

 

I'm not saying Baez has to be above Sano, but I don't think it has to be the other way around either.

Yeah I thought the Eastern League was better for hitters but didn't want to misspeak. I'd have Baez over Sano.

 

I'm predicting Buxton, Boegarts, Correa, Baez, Tavares, Sano, Lindor

[toonsterwu]

JavyBB

He's gotta be a top five guy. He's taking walks now, has huge power, and plays short.

Buxton, Bogaerts, Correa, Tavares will all be ranked higher. Bradley, Lindor, and Sano are possible as well.

 

Off the top of my head, there is only one guy on that list that I am completely convinced is a better prospect than Baez.

 

It's hard to say Bogaerts shouldn't be ahead of Baez, and I'm not all that big on Bogaerts. That said, he's a similar player with a better approach and succeeding at a higher level, and like Baez, capable of handling shortstop in his youth. I like Baez individually more than Bogaerts, but on a rankings list, I would probably but Bogaerts ahead.

 

I can sort of understand Lindor and Bradley as well. Bradley's arm talent is that good, but the flip side is the whole position vs. pitcher discussion. Lindor is an issue of defensive value. I wouldn't put him ahead of Baez, but I can understand it if folks that think he'll be an above average offensive player and an elite defensive shortstop. I mean, Jurickson Profar was ranked first, and he doesn't exactly have otherworldly capabilities. I don't think Sano or Correa should be ranked ahead, but I imagine that they will on some lists. Taveras is a tough one. I'd probably put him ahead, as he's that much more polished offensively, but I can see people dropping him a bit.

[Guest]

Frankly, I'd have Addison Russell above Lindor.

 

But that's me.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Armando Rivero doing Armando Rivero-y things at Tennessee tongiht.

 

2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K.

 

Hat tip to the front office, that one looks like it could be an epic steal.

[davell]

Armando Rivero doing Armando Rivero-y things at Tennessee tongiht.

 

2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K.

 

Hat tip to the front office, that one looks like it could be an epic steal.

I think he's going to make the team out of ST next year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Armando Rivero doing Armando Rivero-y things at Tennessee tongiht.

 

2 IP, 0 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K.

 

Hat tip to the front office, that one looks like it could be an epic steal.

I think he's going to make the team out of ST next year.

 

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the bullpen jobs are apportioned next spring.

 

Could we run with three lefties? Because I wouldn't hate:

 

Strop, Russell, Rusin, Rosscup, Lim, Rivero, Vizcaino.

[WrigleyField 22]

Will Vizcaino be out of options because I'd rather he just pick up innings at AAA. Dude hasn't pitched in so long.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Will Vizcaino be out of options because I'd rather he just pick up innings at AAA. Dude hasn't pitched in so long.

 

I don't think so. He can go to AAA if they want. I've just given up on him as a starter, so might as well get some innings in relief out of him before his next inevitable injury.

 

(Obligatory arbitrary endpoint disclaimer)

 

Armando Rivero since July 17, across A+ and AA

 

8 G, 15 IP, 8 H, 1 ER, 0 HR, 4 BB, 27 K

[ctcf]

8 G, 15 IP, 8 H, 1 ER, 0 HR, 4 BB, 27 K

 

holy [expletive]

[davell]

Vizcaino either has one left or they can petition for one. But he'll likely be in AAA. Cabrera is ouy of options though, so if he's not dealt, he'll be in the majors. So, as for Kyle's list, just swap those two out. At this point, I don't think we can count on Lim. Wouldn't mind having 3 lefties though, but if Rosscup looks good, I think Russell could still get dealt. Kyle, gotta ask though: What do you have against Parker? I'm definitely counting on him, if I'm looking at our pen.