FULL INSTANT REPLAY COMING (minus strike zone)

[manbearcub]

Strategy has nothing to do with it for me. I think adding the DH is like adding a shootout at the end of a hockey game. It's not how the game is supposed to be played.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Strategy has nothing to do with it for me. I think adding the DH is like adding a shootout at the end of a hockey game. It's not how the game is supposed to be played.

 

Who decides how the game is supposed to be played?

[manbearcub]

Strategy has nothing to do with it for me. I think adding the DH is like adding a shootout at the end of a hockey game. It's not how the game is supposed to be played.

 

Who decides how the game is supposed to be played?

Me.

[Sammy Sofa]

And for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change. It basically exists in some capacity at every level and in every organization except the NL; the tide clearly isn't going to shift the other way.

[manbearcub]

And for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change. It basically exists in some capacity at every level and in every organization except the NL; the tide clearly isn't going to shift the other way.

I guess we know who to blame for pitchers not being good hitters then.

[Derwood]

The irony is that in high school, the pitcher is often also the best hitter on the team (as they're often the best all around athlete).

 

Then they go to the minors and never hit again

[Sammy Sofa]

And for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change. It basically exists in some capacity at every level and in every organization except the NL; the tide clearly isn't going to shift the other way.

I guess we know who to blame for pitchers not being good hitters then.

 

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[TruffleShuffle]

And for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change. It basically exists in some capacity at every level and in every organization except the NL; the tide clearly isn't going to shift the other way.

 

what about little league and the japanese central league?

[Sammy Sofa]

And for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change. It basically exists in some capacity at every level and in every organization except the NL; the tide clearly isn't going to shift the other way.

 

what about little league and the japanese central league?

 

Who cares?

[Sammy Sofa]

I hear there's some teams that actually put the balls on tees, too.

[manbearcub]

I hear there's some teams that actually put the balls on tees, too.

You joke about it now, but for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

[expletive] it, let's just start playing blernsball.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Can someone explain to me how the "strategy" involved in an NL game is enjoyable?

Why is strategy in quotes? I don't see how you can possibly deny that there is additional strategy involved in managing an NL lineup. You don't have to enjoy it, but it shouldn't be hard to understand why someone else might prefer the less cookie-cutter flow of NL games where teams are forced to make trade-offs between pitching and hitting.

[TruffleShuffle]

And for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change. It basically exists in some capacity at every level and in every organization except the NL; the tide clearly isn't going to shift the other way.

 

what about little league and the japanese central league?

 

Who cares?

 

well, little league is the largest organized baseball system on earth, and the central league is half of japanese professional baseball's highest level, so that would tend to contradict your statement about it existing at every level and in every organization except the NL. not to mention all the times that pitchers bat in AA and AAA when national league affiliates are facing each other.

[Sammy Sofa]

And for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change. It basically exists in some capacity at every level and in every organization except the NL; the tide clearly isn't going to shift the other way.

 

what about little league and the japanese central league?

 

Who cares?

 

well, little league is the largest organized baseball system on earth, and the central league is half of japanese professional baseball's highest level, so that would tend to contradict your statement about it existing at every level and in every organization except the NL. not to mention all the times that pitchers bat in AA and AAA when national league affiliates are facing each other.

 

Bringing up little league in the first place is just ridiculous. Basically the development track for any player worth a damn after high school is to take the bat out of their hands outside of bunting if they're a pitcher. I know you don't honestly believe that the DH trend is inexplicably going to reverse itself, so why are we talking about this like there's some kind of argument that's going to stop the use of it?

[Sammy Sofa]

I hear there's some teams that actually put the balls on tees, too.

You joke about it now, but for the longest time the home run was basically shunned as being "unsportsmanlike" and pitchers were expected to essentially always pitch entire games. Things change.

 

Totes, bra.

[Guest]

I don't really like the challenge thing. If they are going to have it, use it whenever a call is wrong.

[Guest]

Also the DH is stupid. It was instituted to get more offense into the game, not to make it a better game. The players like it because it gives a guy an extra job to do. A job that isn't necessary. Having said that, it needs to be in both leagues or neither.

[jersey cubs fan]

Can someone explain to me how the "strategy" involved in an NL game is enjoyable?

Why is strategy in quotes? I don't see how you can possibly deny that there is additional strategy involved in managing an NL lineup. You don't have to enjoy it, but it shouldn't be hard to understand why someone else might prefer the less cookie-cutter flow of NL games where teams are forced to make trade-offs between pitching and hitting.

 

It's called strategy just so olde timey folk and managers can justify their hard on for history and their job, respectively. It's not meaningful strategy. It's like switching lanes on a highway during bumper to bumper traffic. You look like you're doing something, but you aren't.

[glavine93]

i just like when the pitcher bats—whether he gets an unexpected hit, or bunts, or flails wildly, or whatever. it's fun. i even like when they just ground out and halfheartedly shuffle to first base. so i guess i don't care how the DH might help the cubs. i would like instant replay available in every possible situation, though.

[treebird]

CORRECT OPINIONS ON ALL THESE ISSUES

 

ONE robot home plate umpires asap

 

TWO no challenges on other calls, just have a fifth umpire watching replays overrule when necessary

 

THREE having the pitcher bat is fun and the small amount of strategy it adds to the game is as well, but

 

FOUR it is a competitive disadvantage for national league teams to let pitchers bat while american league teams have the dh. since it seems unlikely the al will lose the dh anytime soon and i root for an nl team, we need the designated hitter in both leagues.

[jersey cubs fan]

TWO no challenges on other calls, just have a fifth umpire watching replays overrule when necessary

 

Can't be an actual on field ump though, since these guys would never overrule one another and risk showing up a colleague.

[treebird]

TWO no challenges on other calls, just have a fifth umpire watching replays overrule when necessary

 

Can't be an actual on field ump though, since these guys would never overrule one another and risk showing up a colleague.

 

good point.

 

baseball is pretty slow and most of the calls are really easy and there's not usually that many games on at once.

 

you take one league and i'll take the other.

[bukie]

Baseball should take the hockey method of reviewing calls and the tennis method of challenging balls and strikes.

[XZero771679666304]

Also the DH is stupid. It was instituted to get more offense into the game, not to make it a better game. The players like it because it gives a guy an extra job to do. A job that isn't necessary. Having said that, it needs to be in both leagues or neither.

 

 

It's going to be in both leagues. The MLBPA will never allow the DH to be done away with, and with the new alignment and expanded interleague play, its league-wide institution is an inevitability.

Edited August 16, 2013 by XZero77