2013 Chicago Bulls Offseason Thread

[Andy]

Dan Bernstein said one of the sticking points between Thibs and Gar is Tom's overuse of the starters to get good playoff position which results in a tired team come playoff time.

 

Weird because one year they got to the ECF, the next year their superstar tore his acl in the first game and last year we made it to the second round despite injuries to Deng and Hinrich. Not sure where we being tired comes into play. I guess you could make an argument that we could have beaten Miami in the ECF but that's a stretch to say we lost because we were worn out.

 

Or you could say playing so many minutes in a strike shortened season contributed to playoff injuries to Rose and Noah.

There is absolutely zero correlation between knee injuries and having been overworked. None. Plantar fasciitis is something just about every single 7-footer in the history of mankind has had, and managing minutes will not make it go away.

[cubbyvirus00]

Man this organization is completely in NBA hell.

 

At least 20 teams would love to be the Bulls. They have a superstar, sell out most every game, and make a ton of money. I still think they can win a title in 2-3 years.

 

Our FO is a joke. These little pissing matches are once again marring the product. Wasn't this one of the issues that came up in 2010 when we were trying to woo Wade?

[wolf stansson]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dan Bernstein said one of the sticking points between Thibs and Gar is Tom's overuse of the starters to get good playoff position which results in a tired team come playoff time.

 

Weird because one year they got to the ECF, the next year their superstar tore his acl in the first game and last year we made it to the second round despite injuries to Deng and Hinrich. Not sure where we being tired comes into play. I guess you could make an argument that we could have beaten Miami in the ECF but that's a stretch to say we lost because we were worn out.

 

Or you could say playing so many minutes in a strike shortened season contributed to playoff injuries to Rose and Noah.

 

How could playing too much cause Rose's ACL to tear? It doesn't work that way.

 

And plantar fasciitis is just a thing that you have; you don't get it from playing too much and sitting doesn't make it go away; it's just about whether there is pain or not at a particular moment.

[cubbyvirus00]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, how are they "terrible at managing players with injuries?" Because they didn't force Deng to get surgery? Because Rose and co. are idiots?

[cubbyvirus00]

Wait, how are they "terrible at managing players with injuries?" Because they didn't force Deng to get surgery? Because Rose and co. are idiots?

 

Because the Bulls are dead by the time the first round starts?

[Sammy Sofa]

Wait, how are they "terrible at managing players with injuries?" Because they didn't force Deng to get surgery? Because Rose and co. are idiots?

 

Because the Bulls are dead by the time the first round starts?

 

That's been repeatedly demonstrated to be a load of crap; the only player that arguably has injuries due to overuse by the time the playoffs rolled around was Hinrich, and he's been a breaking down mess for years now.

[Guest]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

Shouldn't you still be panicking about the Blackhawks getting eliminated?

[Sammy Sofa]

He will inevitably respond to that with something like "thanks for contributing to the discussion" without a hint of irony.

[cubbyvirus00]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

Shouldn't you still be panicking about the Blackhawks getting eliminated?

 

 

HARRRRRR HAR HAR!!!!! 2/10

[Banedon]

Belinelli to the Spurts.

[ctcf]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

Shouldn't you still be panicking about the Blackhawks getting eliminated?

 

 

HARRRRRR HAR HAR!!!!! 2/10

 

You rate your own posts?

[cubbyvirus00]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

Shouldn't you still be panicking about the Blackhawks getting eliminated?

 

 

HARRRRRR HAR HAR!!!!! 2/10

 

You rate your own posts?

 

When do you graduate high school?

[scarey]

Dan Bernstein said one of the sticking points between Thibs and Gar is Tom's overuse of the starters to get good playoff position which results in a tired team come playoff time.

 

Weird because one year they got to the ECF, the next year their superstar tore his acl in the first game and last year we made it to the second round despite injuries to Deng and Hinrich. Not sure where we being tired comes into play. I guess you could make an argument that we could have beaten Miami in the ECF but that's a stretch to say we lost because we were worn out.

 

Or you could say playing so many minutes in a strike shortened season contributed to playoff injuries to Rose and Noah.

 

How could playing too much cause Rose's ACL to tear? It doesn't work that way.

 

And plantar fasciitis is just a thing that you have; you don't get it from playing too much and sitting doesn't make it go away; it's just about whether there is pain or not at a particular moment.

 

 

I'm not going to jump to the conclusion that Rose's ACL tear was due to being over played, but the way in which he hurt his ACL actually could have been caused by fatigue.

 

It would be one thing if someone fell on his leg and it bent the wrong way. That obviously would be directly from the impact of another player forcing the injury. However, he was making a pretty standard movement (by his standards at least) when he went down with the injury. Something he's done probably thousands of times in his life. If his leg muscles were fatigued, they very well could have prevented his body from correctly bracing his knee for the impact of the movement. However, the fatigue would more likely be acute fatigue from playing a whole NBA game, not from over use over the course of a season. Also, there's the more likely possibility that it was just bad luck.

 

All I'm saying is it isn't ridiculous to hypothesize that the injury was a result of fatigue. Unreasonable to assume? Sure.

[Guest]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

the long-term plan is obvious. they are basically on record saying that they know they need another star to go with rose. they have assets to make it happen in the next couple years, they're just hoping one becomes available and actually wants to play here. they'll have deng (with value as a player and as an expiring) or the cap space they get from him. they'll have the increasingly valuable charlotte pick. they'll probably have another asset in noah and his suddenly good contract. when a guy like love becomes available, the bulls should have enough to make a trade happen. then, on top of this, they still have mirotic.

[cubbyvirus00]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

the long-term plan is obvious. they are basically on record saying that they know they need another star to go with rose. they have assets to make it happen in the next couple years, they're just hoping one becomes available and actually wants to play here. they'll have deng (with value as a player and as an expiring) or the cap space they get from him. they'll have the increasingly valuable charlotte pick. they'll probably have another asset in noah and his suddenly good contract. when a guy like love becomes available, the bulls should have enough to make a trade happen. then, on top of this, they still have mirotic.

 

I think keeping Thibs should be a priority instead of forcing out his assistant and Forman being too heavy handed in his treatment of Thibs. It's clearly an ego battle. He's the Bulls second most valuable piece and a top 3 coach. I'm not sure how I feel about that long term plan, being that it is quite passive. But I guess that's the NBA in 2013. It's time for Rose to recruit

[Banedon]

Chicago contacted Nate Robinson and offered the minimum, per a source. He's searching for a more lucrative multi-year deal after big season.

— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) July 4, 2013

[WrigleyField 22]

Chicago contacted Nate Robinson and offered the minimum, per a source. He's searching for a more lucrative multi-year deal after big season.

— Alex Kennedy (@AlexKennedyNBA) July 4, 2013

I can actually understand the multi-year thing. But when it comes down to it, if he's just fielding minimum offers we can sweeten it by 20%. If we can do that to win over other minimum offers, we should.

 

Its hard to imagine he isn't getting more interest with other bench type players signing, so I think its fair to assume he is asking for more than 2 years at this point. Based on other bench players, two years seems to be the going length, and I suspect you'll see a bigger focus on years versus salary in the new CBA.

 

He would be a great 20 minute SG for us though.

[ctcf]

When do you graduate high school?

 

This is fantastic.

[wolf stansson]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

the long-term plan is obvious. they are basically on record saying that they know they need another star to go with rose. they have assets to make it happen in the next couple years, they're just hoping one becomes available and actually wants to play here. they'll have deng (with value as a player and as an expiring) or the cap space they get from him. they'll have the increasingly valuable charlotte pick. they'll probably have another asset in noah and his suddenly good contract. when a guy like love becomes available, the bulls should have enough to make a trade happen. then, on top of this, they still have mirotic.

Yep. Their long term plan is perfectly sound. It's the best course of action. It just doesn't fit into Thibs' win every game philosophy. That's where the friction comes from. The front office is playing the long game and Thibs thinks they're closer to a championship than the front office does.

[cubbyvirus00]

Our front office - strong in the draft. Specifically mid to late round value picks. Terrible at dealing with coaching philosophy differences. Terrible at managing players with injuries.

 

So essentially, I think they're great basketball minds who are just douche b's.

 

This will eventually force out Thibs and probably cause more doubt in Roses head. I'm not sure Forman has a long term plan. It's interesting to sit back and watch other GMs maneuver.

 

the long-term plan is obvious. they are basically on record saying that they know they need another star to go with rose. they have assets to make it happen in the next couple years, they're just hoping one becomes available and actually wants to play here. they'll have deng (with value as a player and as an expiring) or the cap space they get from him. they'll have the increasingly valuable charlotte pick. they'll probably have another asset in noah and his suddenly good contract. when a guy like love becomes available, the bulls should have enough to make a trade happen. then, on top of this, they still have mirotic.

Yep. Their long term plan is perfectly sound. It's the best course of action. It just doesn't fit into Thibs' win every game philosophy. That's where the friction comes from. The front office is playing the long game and Thibs thinks they're closer to a championship than the front office does.

 

I think the FO believes they're close to a championship, but they're upset with Thibs and his personnel usage.

[SpongeWorthy]

Deng's minutes will come down this year a bit. He'll still probably be top 5-10 league wide in minutes played.

 

Noah I expect to get back down to 32-34. Thibs was handcuffed there last year because Nazr was putting up some historically woeful numbers (he was shooting less than 20% from the field last year for a good portion of the season, IIRC). If he can do what he did in the playoffs he'll take some of Noah's load. Probably another veteran minimum big will be brought in to (Brand, plz).

[Wilson A2000]

Nope. Thibs is ticked at Gar. He is going to prove that he can screw up both of Noah's feet and still get the #2 seed.

[SpongeWorthy]

TIL: Carlos Boozer has a younger brother who is going to be on the Bulls summer league roster and his first name is Charles.